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::A 5-PP move and a 40-PP move would usually have elements outside of PP that would make them incomparable. In most cases, PP differences are trivial at best. You're never going to see a move like Water Gun have the same PP as a move like Hydro Pump anyways. Removing this criterion would simply make the definition of a move variant more clear and concise. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 09:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC) | ::A 5-PP move and a 40-PP move would usually have elements outside of PP that would make them incomparable. In most cases, PP differences are trivial at best. You're never going to see a move like Water Gun have the same PP as a move like Hydro Pump anyways. Removing this criterion would simply make the definition of a move variant more clear and concise. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 09:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::I also think the "5 apart" rule for PP is dumb. The PP rule should be a hard "must have exactly the same PP rule". We're far too lax with our definition of "move variations", with plenty of significantly different moves classified as variations. If the moves are similar but have different PP, we shouldn't consider them variations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC) | :::I also think the "5 apart" rule for PP is dumb. The PP rule should be a hard "must have exactly the same PP rule". We're far too lax with our definition of "move variations", with plenty of significantly different moves classified as variations. If the moves are similar but have different PP, we shouldn't consider them variations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::The problem with that is the game itself doesn't seem to have solid reasons for assigning PP. Swords Dance used to be a "variation" of Agility because they were both +2 stat modifiers with 30 PP. However, this is no longer the case in Gen VI simply because Nintendo gave it a trivial PP reduction, yet the move is still exactly the same. And of course, most people would agree that Light Screen and Reflect are variations of each other, but are simply assigned different PP values. And if we go even stricter on the PP criterion, then identical moves like Protect and Detect, Seismic Toss and Night Shade, etc would no longer be classified as variations. So although I agree being stricter on PP value would add more clarity than the 5-PP-difference rule, I think the best solution is to simply remove it since it is too trivial compared to other factors (power, accuracy, and effects). [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 16:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC) | |||