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== Weather conditions? == | == Weather conditions? == | ||
[[Talk:Weather | [[Talk:Weather#Weather quotes|This discussion]] has several references to the description of weather within the games. My Prima guide capitalizes it: "The Hail weather will last in all the wild Pokémon battles from Route 216 to Snowpoint City." while the games vary on capitalization, leaning towards non-capitalization. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Games take priority over guidebooks. Games have them exclusively uncapitalized in the most recent appearances (older games are less consistent in syntax, and retcon means that new conventions take priority). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | :Games take priority over guidebooks. Games have them exclusively uncapitalized in the most recent appearances (older games are less consistent in syntax, and retcon means that new conventions take priority). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Okay then. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | ::Okay then. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
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:::::::Yeah, I realize I made a mistake and was overly broad in my last edit. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | :::::::Yeah, I realize I made a mistake and was overly broad in my last edit. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
{{indent}}There was question above about "first evolution" and the like, and "evolutionary". I just caught an {{p|Eevee}} in Y and noticed that its Pokedex entry says "[Eevee] conceals many different possible '''evolutions'''." This suggests that the noun should only be capitalized when it refers to the process, ''not'' when it refers to a Pokemon that has undergone that process, like in "first evolution". When I looked at the Pokedex entries on Eevee's page, I also noticed that X's entry apparently says "different '''evolutionary''' forms". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | {{indent}}There was question above about "first evolution" and the like, and "evolutionary". I just caught an {{p|Eevee}} in Y and noticed that its Pokedex entry says "[Eevee] conceals many different possible '''evolutions'''." This suggests that the noun should only be capitalized when it refers to the process, ''not'' when it refers to a Pokemon that has undergone that process, like in "first evolution". When I looked at the Pokedex entries on Eevee's page, I also noticed that X's entry apparently says "different '''evolutionary''' forms". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
:In that case, I'm just going to remove "Evolutionary" from the page, because the situations where it is necessary to capitalize it are far too sparse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Plural names of Pokémon == | |||
In [[Generation I]], a girl next to [[Pewter Gym]] says "CLEFAIRYs" not "CLEFAIRY", and a man in [[Diglett's Cave]] states "DIGLETTs". Should this not be counted as an error in early episodes? I didn't know another place to put this... [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] <small>([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])</small> 17:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Also, there is inconsistency in use of American quotes and {{tt|logical|AKA British}} quotes. The first section uses American, while the rest use logical.{{unsigned|Pikachu Bros.|17:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)}} | |||
::I believe that at Bulbapedia, we still recognize these early pluralizations with the ''s'' as errors, no matter how consistent they may seem. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 19:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah, we follow the most recent official grammatical standards, so even though older games occasionally had separate words for plurals of Pokémon names, Bulbapedia uses what all current official materials do (which is singular is the same as plural). As for quotes, as an Australian I tend to prefer the logical standard too, so I habitually put them that way, but they should be formatted the American way because that is how the games and Bulbapedia as a whole does it (as much as it pains me to do so). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Form/Forme and Zygarde == | |||
I have just a couple questions regarding Zygarde's page, as I recently made some substantial additions. | |||
Is "forme" always capitalized (Zygarde Complete Forme is the strongest of Zygarde's Formes.), or is it only capitalized when part of a Pokemon's name (Zygarde only enters Complete Forme when its other formes are outmatched.)? | |||
Further, are Zygarde's formes properly referred to as "Formes" or "forms"? ("While it does not evolve, Zygarde has five formes/Formes," or "While it does not evolve, Zygarde has five forms.") | |||
Going off of what I understand from the [[form differences]] page, I would assume that Forme is the correct terminology, but I'm unsure what exactly the difference between them is. Is Forme only used when referring to Legendary Pokémon, only when the stats of the Pokemon change, or both? [[User:Pacack| <span style="background:#000000"><span style="color:#ffe700">'''Pa'''ᗧ•••</span><span style="color:#0000FF">ᗣ'''ck'''</span> </span>]] 11:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Forme is an official term for Pokémon who's alternate appearance is drastically different to its normal appearance (e.g. {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Shaymin}}). Form is used to refer to Pokémon that just have minor differences in appearance (e.g. {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Arbok}}). As for the capitalizing, it's only when you're referring to the forme should "Forme" be capitalized.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 12:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Forme is mostly used for Legendary and Mythical Pokémon's alternate forms, although it is used for Aegislash but not Keldeo (and it is used for Cherrim, but only in Japanese/Korean and not English). Forme should always be capitalized (e.g. "Zygarde has 3 Formes"—Zygarde does not have 5 Formes, as the Core and Cell are not Formes). | |||
::Form is mostly used for non-Legendary/Mythical Pokémon such as Castform and Basculin, but it is also used for Keldeo (and it is used for Cherrim, but only in English and not Japanese/Korean). "Form" is handled like the word normally is in English (e.g. "Castform has 4 forms"). | |||
::As far as I can tell, the other game languages (French, German, Italian, Spanish) make no distinction between Forme and form. | |||
::I wouldn't even call the variations in Arbok "forms" (largely since the games don't recognize them as such). We list those on the [[Variant Pokémon]] page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Okay, thanks. So, Formes should be capitalized in every scenario on Zygarde's page, and all the uses of the word "form" should be changed to "Forme". I'll get on that when I'm done with work today. | |||
:::Though, I am wondering; what should we consider Zygarde Cores and Cells? The beginning of the article currently states the following: | |||
:::"While it is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon, it has five forms." | |||
:::I know that we need to change the ending to, "it has three Formes," but I don't know what to classify the Cores and Cells as. Maybe, "it has three Formes and two basic units (or components), Zygarde Cores and Zygarde Cells, which arrange to create the three Formes." Does that sound acceptable? If so, does units or components sound better? | |||
:::Lastly, when referring to the different Formes (ie: Zygarde 10% Forme), should every instance of "10% Forme" be changed to "Zygarde 10% Forme", or is shortening it okay? I noticed the former naming method a few times in the article, and I don't know if it needs to be corrected.[[User:Pacack| <span style="background:#000000"><span style="color:#ffe700">'''Pa'''ᗧ•••</span><span style="color:#0000FF">ᗣ'''ck'''</span> </span>]] 17:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Super-effective == | |||
It's spelled with a hyphen in English GSC ([https://github.com/iimarckus/iimarck.us/blob/master/dumps/dcrystal.txt#L15459 1], [https://github.com/iimarckus/iimarck.us/blob/master/dumps/dcrystal.txt#L26197 2]). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 15:10, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Fair point. Given the broader pool of usage, I'm going to put it in the same category as [[#Plural names of Pokémon|plural names of Pokémon]] in older games (i.e. just an error, and not reflective of current usage). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
== "Gender unknown" over "genderless" == | |||
Adapted from what I wrote a few months ago on [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 13]]: I'm pretty sure some person in some building in Unova or Kalos said something like "Pokémon have genders, like humans. They can be male, female, or even have unknown genders!" Also, Pokédex 3D Pro and the Pokédex on Pokemon.com use "unknown" under the gender field for Pokémon like Kyurem. That would suggest that "gender unknown" is a more official term than "genderless", and should be used instead. To be clear, I'm referring to gender (e.g., in the sentence "Cryogonal is the only genderless Pokémon, other than Mew, that can learn Attract."), not Egg Group. I'm not sure what the official way to use "gender unknown" in a sentence is though. Thoughts? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|<span style="color:black">~</span>]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 20:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
:I think you're probably right about the "Gender unknown" thing, but I'd rather avoid using it, because it gives the impression that ''we'' don't know but the information is out there, rather than that the games literally call it that. It's probably worth putting on the [[gender]] page though, and if you can establish a consensus on the talk page there that we should be using "Gender unknown" throughout the wiki despite the drawbacks, I'll likely change my stance about its inclusion here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:49, 10 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Other things == | |||
Monster House is capitalized, except in Rescue Team. Also, RCB no longer falls under CamelCase. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC) | |||