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::::::You saying that you did not violate policy implies that you think you are in trouble, you are not. You didn't violate anything, so there's no need to react strongly. And saying that you'd block me is a blockable offense and will get you in trouble. | ::::::You saying that you did not violate policy implies that you think you are in trouble, you are not. You didn't violate anything, so there's no need to react strongly. And saying that you'd block me is a blockable offense and will get you in trouble. | ||
::::::You are who you are and no one can change that, yes. But there are better ways to react to something than the way you did. This is a waste of time, but simply because you aren't accepting that you overreacted and should calm down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:30, 15 August 2015 (UTC) | ::::::You are who you are and no one can change that, yes. But there are better ways to react to something than the way you did. This is a waste of time, but simply because you aren't accepting that you overreacted and should calm down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:30, 15 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
:I'm gonna interject here since this whole conversation came about because of me. Firstly, I only told you to calm down after accusing the creators of the page, and the caretakers of it (I assume that's who it was aimed at) that they were lying to everyone. Mainly though it was in reference to the end half of that comment, ''screw the official page''. I don't know how else the word screw could have been used here other then with a tone of anger/upset. As ForceFire pointed out above, what you typed did not give the impression of calm, and I was just trying to appease you, not upset you ''or'' order you. While I am sorry for misinterpreting what you initially said (regarding the official website), I was at no point ordering you, and I was only trying to be polite and respectful. | |||
:You did mention rules and policy in your comments, and at this point I'd like to bring up the [[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct|Bulbapedia Code of Conduct]], which says ''Do not insult [other users], demean them, or otherwise bash them in order to prove your point.'' Something which you have now done on two occasions, specifically, calling SnorlaxMonster a "bureaucratic pencil pusher", above you told ForceFire to "check his eyes". Arguably this also occurred to when you accused Bulbapedia as a whole of lying to its community, as well as the users who edit the page, but I wouldn't try to reach that far. Should you not choose to read the entire page, that is at your discretion, however do not be surprised if people then inform you that the information is on the page and ''request'' that you calm down, especially when you leave a comment that could be interpreted as one of anger or insulting. Regardless of if you personally do not like people asking you to calm down, it is something said to appease you because people believe that you are upset. | |||
:Ultimately, I'm sorry for misinterpreting your comment. I did not mean to elicit the reaction I got by asking you to calm down, and I am sorry if you thought that was an order, or that you just don't like it when people tell you to calm down, I was only trying to help. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 14:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I'm done with this. All of you are treating this as a dictatorship and I will not continue explaining my actions to you anymore because nothing seems to appease any of you. I will do as I please, within the confines of the policy and there is nothing you or any one else can do. I am done voicing my opinions as well because my suggestions are always shot down... which is fine as I didn't expect my suggestions to take more so that I only offered the suggestion as a starting point. It's how I am getting shot down that I don't approve of... Very rudely. Just do me a favor and stop responding. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 04:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Asking you to calm down is not a dictatorship. Blocking you without reason is a dictatorship. We are not picking on you, if you feel that way, then sorry. But we are not, we are just telling you to calm down, and you overreact. | |||
:::You can do as you please, but just be civil about it. Like I said, there was a better way of opening a discussion than "It's okay to lie to people!". And there was a better way to respond to "Please calm down" then the way you did. | |||
:::Me (or anyone for that matter) suggesting improvements '''does not''' equal "that's terrible, get that crap off the page". That is how you come off. You're suggestions are not being shot down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
Again, you are overreacting. There is a difference between removing a redlink and editing someone else's spelling/grammar. '''Anyone''' is allowed to remove a redlink (admin or not) as redlinks appear on the wanted pages (and most of the times, they are clearly not wanted). '''No one''' is allowed to correct the spelling/grammar of another user because there is no point to it, it doesn't effect the conversation or the wiki. Yes, it is your talk page and they are your comments, but you should not overreact over a redlink removal.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Now it is you who are overreacting, I saw Glik's last response regarding broken links and if I wasn't satisfied, I would have responded as such... Seriously, all I wanted from Glik was a little courtesy, by either asking me to remove the broken links or by posting in the edit summary the reason for editing my posts on a talk page. And Glik responded saying he will respect my wishes and give me the courtesy of that the next time he goes to edit my posts on a talk page. Problem solved before you even intervened. Now I think you are just trying to aggravate me by escalating something that has already been resolved. Let it go. And leave me alone.<br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 04:47, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::It's the overall tone in your posts that makes it look like you're overreacting. Again, tone it down. Saying "I do know you're an admin but that doesn't excuse you from explaining your actions" makes you look like you think you have a higher authority than the admins. Again, the tone in your comments will make you look aggressive, so just tone it down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::If you think I'm being aggressive, fine but I will not tone it down. So stop asking me to because I won't. You already know how I feel about being told to calm down or to tone it down and yet you're still doing it. Repeating it over and over again is not going to make me change my mind or how I feel about something. And yes, just because You and others are admins doesn't give you and the others the right to be rude and disrespectful towards the users who are not admins or whatever rank of employee or volunteer a person is on Bulbapedia. I have asked you multiple times now to give it up and let it go and you're still escalating the argument. So I say again... LEAVE ME ALONE! And don't even think about changing the capitals to lowercase. Because I will just change it right back. It seems you are not listening when I use normal type so maybe using all caps will make you pay attention. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 05:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Telling users to calm down, tone down their comments, removing redlinks (which really isn't that big of a deal), is '''not''' disrespecting or being rude to other users. We have every right to ask a user to calm down, if we feel that they are being aggressive. It depends on the response of the other user, and whether they will take it well. The only reason I am saying the same thing over and over is because I do not feel that you understand why you are receiving this message (and me feeling that you overreacted with the redlink removal further makes me doubt that you have).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::I have had it with you. I am who I am and nothing you or anyone else on Bulbapedia can make me be what I'm not. You want me to calm down? Then leave me alone! Everytime you respond saying the same thing over and over again, I will continue to respond. Because you think I'm not listening, well neither are you. I have asked you over and over again to leave me alone and you are ignoring that request. I will not hesitate to voice my opinion or feeling when something angers me like what you are doing right now in not leaving me alone. Seriously, you're just making it worse by not leaving me alone. Give it a rest already and stop telling me to calm down. Because I will not. Therefore it is pointless to keep asking me to calm down. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 05:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::Not to be rude, nosy or anything of the sort(far from it) but I think Force Fire is talking about universal netiquette. You aren't following some basic tenets of it. You can be the same person, neither the admins nor I can/have the ability to force you to change and/or stop you from speaking your mind, and the admins can be punished by those above them, but breaking netiquette is an violation of the CoC(Code of Conduct) on any site with policies and tiered membership. If the staff perceive a breach of CoC rules related to netiquette, they can enforce it as they see fit as per their amount of entrusted power by and their tier of administration by higer powers in Bulbagraden hierarchy I understand how it feels like a personal attack on your self-identity, but anybody and everybody will get the same responses for breaching CoC in the same way(including me a while ago)by someone who is above them(albeit admins don't get as public as an admonishment AFAIK(As Far As I Know). So try to look at it from their PoV(Point of View), then reconfigure your way of acting based on a ideal combination of your ideology and CoC standards, which is as much of a ruleset as it is a policy on this site. I hope you take something from this, since I see the same flaws I used to have in you, and wish to help you overcome them. Have fun editing! --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 06:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I know what he's talking about. I'm not stupid. Forcefire is asking me to basically ignore when something bothers me and I can't and won't do that. I am the type of person who does not hesitate to say when something bothers me. Like telling me to calm down. NO ONE tells me to calm down. And having to repeat myself gets a bit annoying but I will not apologize for my attitude. If someone doesn't like my attitude, all they have to do is ignore me and not respond. Simple as that. Same can be said about the admins, if they don't like my attitude, they can ignore it and then it won't drag on like this conversation chain here on my talk page. Because I will not change my attitude when something pisses me off no matter how many times someone tells me to calm down. Therefore, that person is just wasting their time trying to tell me to calm down. Because it will do nothing but piss me off even more. I don't normally say "piss/pissed" but this is getting really annoying. Therefore, Everyone, stop telling me to calm down because I won't. So stop wasting time trying to tell me to calm down. Seems no one listens because they keep trying to tell me to calm down no matter how many times I say not to. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 07:46, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Block == | |||
For repeated violations of Bulbapedia's {{bp|code of conduct}}, your account has been blocked for three days. Per the policy, contributors on Bulbapedia are expected to act civilly when contributing to the site, or using talk pages, which you have frequently failed to do. Your messages have been consistently aggressive and intimidating, which is not acceptable. You are welcome to comment that you do not like something, but you are expected to do so without being aggressive and rude. I highly suggest taking this time to review the {{bp|code of conduct}}, and follow it when your block expires. Future incidents regarding your aggressive and intimidating attitude will not be tolerated, and will result in additional blocks. Thank you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 17:12, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Old discussions == | |||
Please {{DL|Bulbapedia:Talk page policy|Talk page etiquette|do not respond}} to comments that are more than 6 months old. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:26, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:My addition is still pertinent to the discussion, since people seem to think DeviantArt is a legit source of information. But if you want people to think that its okay to post information sourced for DeviantArt, fine. But I think its better to tell them in advance BEFORE they post information with DA as the source. But seeing as my comment IS pertinent to the topic, it should remain and not be deleted, regardless of how old the conversation is.<br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 07:31, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Same with the discussion about Hoopa teleporting randomly. I only recently saw the movie so my information is recent, so regardless of how old the conversation is, my comment is pertinent and should not be removed. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 07:33, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
::The DA convo has long since been moved past on the main page, I'm sure. Also, if you look into it at all, that user's last activity on BP was that comment, so it's ''highly'' unlikely they would benefit from your advice. | |||
::For the other one, start a ''new'' discussion if you want to discuss it that much. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Since when am I required to look at a user's last activity? That's not my job. I saw a post and I made a response in regards to the fact that DeviantArt is not a reliable source of information. Whether the user who made the original post is active on bulbapedia anymore or not isn't my concern. Especially since the comment I made about DA can be directed at anyone who seems to think DA is a reliable source.<br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 09:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::I won't say it's required (though I do think it's part of being responsible). But since I have looked it up, it is informative. | |||
::::If you really want to make a point of it, all I can say is, try finding someone who's mentioned it more recently. It's not the end of the world if someone does mention DA in a similar manner again; just tell them then if you have to. Hell, let's face it, you weren't likely to prevent ''anyone'' ever mentioning DA again just with that response. And FWIW I can also tell you, after this, *I'm* at least liable to relay the message too now if I notice somesuch myself. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::I don't work for Bulbapedia. I am not required to do anything in regards to researching when someone was last active on the site. Nor am I to look for someone who mentioned DA more recently either. I saw a post about it. I don't care how old it was. I simply added a comment about DA not being a legit source of information. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 14:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::And I haven't said you have to do any of that. Just, if it bothers you enough, there's your recourse. The choice is all yours. Anyway, have fun. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Then don't tell me what to do if you're saying I don't have to do it. My recourse is to do what I choose to do, not what you think I need to do. It's MY recourse... MY choice. <br>[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 14:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Again, I didn't mean to tell you what to do—just, I guess, what you can't. If you think you know better or whatever, sure, you're free to even ignore that; just don't be surprised if a comment gets removed again or something (if you keep responding to old comments). =P Still hopin' you can have fun. ;) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC) | |||