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::::Yet Day-Care also levels Pokémon, yet they don't evolve there. I do think that one line in the description couldn't hurt here. {{Unsigned|Wojjan}} | ::::Yet Day-Care also levels Pokémon, yet they don't evolve there. I do think that one line in the description couldn't hurt here. {{Unsigned|Wojjan}} | ||
:::::Not needed. End of story. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | :::::Not needed. End of story. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
This should be revisited, because the level up stuff from Join Avenue don't evolve Pokémon.--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 20:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Stat Lowering? == | == Stat Lowering? == | ||
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Would Rare candy put up happiness by 4 rather than 2 (2 for the level up/ 2 for the vitamin) --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 10:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC) | Would Rare candy put up happiness by 4 rather than 2 (2 for the level up/ 2 for the vitamin) --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 10:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Bump--[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 09:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC) | :Bump--[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 09:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: I would also like to bump this question. Do all items on this page up the happiness, or is that effect limited only to the six EV-boosting items? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 01:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== On the case of Japan's version of the "Vitamins" and real-life relations == | == On the case of Japan's version of the "Vitamins" and real-life relations == | ||
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==Drinks== | ==Drinks== | ||
In HGSS, the man selling them at the Safari Zone Gate calls them "Drinks" or "Pokémon Drinks". This is consistent with points raised elsewhere on this talk page. However, the page for "Drink" is currently used by a page detailing items such as MooMoo Milk and Fresh Water. Should this page be merged into that page? Or should it be made into a new page, such as Drinks (medicinal), Medicinal Drinks, or something else? I think something needs to be done: as it stands, the page title is a misnomer, and I say that having referred to these as vitamins for the longest time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 20:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC) | In HGSS, the man selling them at the Safari Zone Gate calls them "Drinks" or "Pokémon Drinks". This is consistent with points raised elsewhere on this talk page. However, the page for "Drink" is currently used by a page detailing items such as MooMoo Milk and Fresh Water. Should this page be merged into that page? Or should it be made into a new page, such as Drinks (medicinal), Medicinal Drinks, or something else? I think something needs to be done: as it stands, the page title is a misnomer, and I say that having referred to these as vitamins for the longest time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 20:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I noticed that too and considered something similar, but these items were previously vitamins, so they can stay here. If they were moved to Pokémon drinks, what would we call [[drink]]s? I say we redirect {{red link|Pokémon drinks}} here, then leave a note, and leave a note over at [[drink]]s | :I noticed that too and considered something similar, but these items were previously vitamins, so they can stay here. If they were moved to Pokémon drinks, what would we call [[drink]]s? I say we redirect {{red link|Pokémon drinks}} here, then leave a note, and leave a note over at [[drink]]s {{unsigned|SnorlaxMonster}} | ||
::Perhaps a disambunction page would be better. A page that links to [[Drink]] and [[Vitamins]] so people searching here wont have to type in Pokemon drinks. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 02:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::But they are still vitamins. The others are drinks, these are Pokémon drinks. There is no need for a disambiguation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::: That's okay then [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 02:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== In HGSS == | |||
Recently while training up another Pokémon, I found that my Lv. 100 Machamp was still able to take vitamins despite being Level 100, which I know in Platinum made it so Pokémon wouldn't take more vitamins regardless of EVs. Was this feature first implemented in HGSS, and if so, should it be mentioned somewhere? --[[User:RiverAura|<font color="#00CCFF">River</font>]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|<font color="#00FFCC">Aura</font>]] 04:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:What do you mean? Pokémon can take vitamins at level 100. I tested this in Diamond and SoulSilver, and the both work the same way. Unfortunately, I don't have any level 100 Pokémon in Platinum to test this with, but I would be very surprised if it didn't work the same way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Hmm, maybe I already had full EVs or something. I didn't think I did, but it's a possibility. Never mind, then. --[[User:RiverAura|<font color="#00CCFF">River</font>]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|<font color="#00FFCC">Aura</font>]] 23:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== What level to should I give my Pokémon vitamins at? == | |||
Does it make a difference if one were to give a Pokémon vitamins at a lower level rather than a higher level? Whereas these items can increase a stat only till it hits a certain EV level, would it not be more profitable to give a Pokémon as many vitamins as possible while it has low EV in order to get maximum use therefrom and still have many levels for it to gain additional EV through battles? Also, it may be worth noting that (at least in generation one), starter Pokémon cannot take any vitamins other than PP up and rare candy. ([[User:Bug Maniac|Bug Maniac]] 21:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)) | |||
:For these kind of tips, go to the forums. I do not believe that last statement is correct—most likely these Pokémon did not have any room left for stat experience. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Over 100 EVs == | |||
If I were to use a vitamin on a Pokemon with, say, 96 EVs, would the EVs be raised to 100 or 106?{{unsigned|Mhinkle64}} | |||
I just tested this, the vitamins cannot make a stat go over 100. Even if your Pokemon has 99 EVs in Attack, a Protein will only raise it to 100. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 15:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== PP Up in Stadium == | |||
For some reason, Stadium failed to read it properly. [http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4169/ppupfail.png Click]. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 11:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Rare Candy a vitamin == | |||
Should Rare Candies be considered vitamins? Because according to [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]], Rare Candies aren't considered vitamins. [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] ([[User talk:Pgj1997|talk]]) 11:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Rare Candies are not vitamins, and it has been on my to-do list for a while to break them off into their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
== How? == | |||
This is probably just me being stupid, but how do you use these? I have a Talonflame that, when used through the bag, it says "It will have no effect." Is it something with Talomflame's types? Or am I just blind and not using it correctly? --[[User:Sambam124|<span style="color:red">Sam</span>]][[User:Sambam124|<span style="color:black">bam</span>]][[User:Sambam124|<span style="color:gray">124</span>]] 22:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:The first paragraph of the "Effect" section ends: "only working if the EVs of the stat raised are less than 100, and if the total EVs are less than 510." So your Talonflame just has too many EVs already. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] ([[User talk:Minimiscience|talk]]) 22:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Page move/definition == | |||
I don't think this page should move. | |||
The biggest reason: I ''believe'' "vitamins" is the much more used/recognized term among players, so it would be much preferable to not move the page. | |||
Otherwise, the officiality of "vitamin" was in some question, but... | |||
* The [[#Rare Candy a vitamin|section above]] would suggest that the term is used in [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]], and that it applies to both the "nutritious drinks" and PP Up/PP Max. (It'd be nice if someone could check it...but I'm not gonna hold my breath.) | |||
* In [[EP092]], Nurse Joy gives Lapras some unnamed vitamins ("Chansey, some vitamins please."; and the bottle looks exactly the same as when she gave Magikarp "calcium tablets"). | |||
* In [[BW070]], the stat enhancers are also collectively referred to as "all six Pokémon vitamin drinks". | |||
Moving the page to "nutritious drink" presents significant problems. Mainly: the reason given for moving the page is that the games have consistently used that term since Gen IV, but that ''only'' applies to the stat-boosters. Where the stat-boosters say "nutritious drink", PP Up/PP Max instead say just "medicine" (but on the other hand, the Japanese (ORAS) descriptions don't say "medicine" or "nutritious drink" or anything, they just describe the effect, so maybe they ''should'' be "drinks"), and Rare Candy is quite explicitly not any sort of drink. | |||
Now, that kind of raises the question of whether we should be calling anything but the stat-boosters "vitamins" or "nutritious drinks" or 栄養ドリンク. Or maybe Rare Candy doesn't belong on this page. Part of me thinks strongly that it should just be the six stat-boosters. (The simplest justification for that is the usage mentioned above in BW070.) Another part of me, though, looks at the items' sprites/artwork and has to recognize that PP Up and PP Max, at least, strongly resemble the stat-boosters (and PP Up/Max aren't really any more different from Protein/etc than HP Up is). But lastly, all the items currently on this page have the same effect on [[friendship]] when used. | |||
...In short, that last is kind of a messy question. But, regardless of how that might be answered, for the reasons I gave above, I still think "vitamin" is the better option. | |||
[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
:In that case, a title of "Stat-boosting items" would cover all bases perfectly. I questioned the sources for "vitamin" since none were provided despite insistence from almost 10 years ago that the games used the term, which has insofar proven to be false (and the anime is not the same canon as the games so we shouldn't conflate them). As to Rare Candy, {{u|SnorlaxMonster/ItemInfobox/Rare Candy|someone already has an idea of what to do with it.}} | |||
:Could you provide an example of the descriptions in Japanese ORAS? | |||
:Additionally, you can't present "vitamin" as the English name of 栄養ドリンク since the English games use the direct translation. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 20:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I don't think terminology is something that "canonicities" should ''necessarily'' get in the way of... But either way, we can ''at least'' say: if the anime uses a recognized term, that's definitely notable. | |||
::PP Up: ポケモンが おぼえている わざのうち １つの ＰＰの さいだいちを すこし あげる。 (Which, actually, is basically the Gen IV/V English description.) | |||
::Honestly, "nutritious drink" really isn't a great "official" term anyway (IMO). Not that my opinion necessarily counts for anything, but IMO it's not an ideal translation of 栄養ドリンク. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:08, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::"Nutritious drink" seems to be the official name of the 6 stat-enhancing items on this page. Rare Candy definitely doesn't belong here, and the fact that PP Up/PP Max are not called "nutritious drinks" indicates they might not either. | |||
:::"Stat-boosting item" is incredibly vague, and would easily include Wings, Power items, and the Macho Brace. It could also refer to held items that boost stats, since it's not clear that it's a permanent enhancement. Furthermore, if we were going to go that route, the more officially-based "stat enhancers" would probably be better, although I imagine that's not a term they use anymore ''because'' it also includes stuff like Wings. | |||
:::The Official Pokémon Handbook's [http://i.imgur.com/WydXEK6.jpg usage] is mostly colloquial (and also mentions minerals), so I wouldn't suggest using it unless we have nothing else to go off of (which is not the case here). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::[http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/about/video-game-glossary/ This glossary on the official site] refers to them as vitamins. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC) | |||