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 <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 18:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 :I think this would be a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
-== Clamperl's Evolved Forms ==
-You have to evolve Clamperl by TRADING. With an item. A DeepSeaTooth being traded with it will cause it to evolve into a Huntail, A DeepSeaScale Gorebyss. [[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] 23:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
-== Headline text ==
 == Sawk and Throh ==
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 :::Strange that this discussion was abandoned. I do agree. I also feel like there’s a rules conflict between “Please discuss on the talkpage” in the template, but also the practice of “no replying to conversations older than 6 months”. Should I spin my comment off into a new section to resuscitate discussion?--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 00:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 ::::The talk page policy reads "''Unless an old conversation is still relevant and there is a good reason to revitalize discussion'', comments on sections older than six months old should not be made." I see no confilict, I'd argue that an ongoing move discussion is necessarily still relevant. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
-:::::It's worth noting that this page was originally moved to "game-exclusive Pokémon" because [https://web.archive.org/web/20180219083857/http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon_101/game_exclusive/ that term was used officially]. Although "version-exclusive Pokémon" does have more recent official use, and is probably the more common term amongst the fandom. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::It's worth noting that this page was originally moved to "game-exclusive Pokémon" because [http://archive.is/hv4VF that term was used officially]. Although "version-exclusive Pokémon" does have more recent official use, and is probably the more common term amongst the fandom. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
+::::::So let's move it already! "Game-exclusive" has only ever been used to refer to X and Y's version exclusives. Everywhere else used "version-exclusive." Honestly, I don't think we needed to move page for what X and Y called it. Though I guess we would have only known the term would only be temporary in hindsight. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
+:I agree that this page should be moved back to its original title. "Version-exclusive" is both the common fan usage ''and'' the more recent official usage. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 == Merging the lists of Gen 5 games? ==
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 I think we should rename this page "Version-exclusive Pokémon" as even the official Pokémon YouTube channel uses the term, as seen in this video: https://youtu.be/m8lfI66T5II {{unsigned|Alolan Ninetales}}
 :Note: there is already a discussion about this three sections up. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Lycanroc in Gen VII ==
+I feel that we should list Midday Lycanroc and Midnight Lycanroc as exclusive to Sun/Ultra Sun and Moon/Ultra Moon, respectively. I just tried to evolve a couple Rockruff in Ultra Moon. One evolved into Midnight Lycanroc perfectly fine, but the other wouldn't evolve at all. I found a Reddit post addressing this exact same issue in Sun and Moon, and the solution was that Midday Lycanroc is exclusive to Sun, despite daytime existing in Moon, and vice-versa. Shall I go ahead and update the page accordingly? [[User:Knowitall|Knowitall]] ([[User talk:Knowitall|talk]]) 22:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
+:The evolution methods are game exclusive in SMUSUM, but the Lycanroc forms are not. It is still possible to catch wild Midday Lycanroc in Moon/Ultra Moon and vice versa. --[[User:AmbientDinosaur|AmbientDinosaur]] ([[User talk:AmbientDinosaur|talk]]) 07:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
+== Renaming part 2 ==
+People have discussed moving this page since 2016 with seemingly no objections. Can we get someone with the permission to do so to actually move the page? [[User:Kauli|Kauli]] ([[User talk:Kauli|talk]]) 16:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
+:Such indecisiveness is one of the main issues of the local staff. They really like being reminded about it all the time.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
+::Just chiming in to say that I also support the move. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 17:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::As do I. It never should have been moved in the first place. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 00:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
+::::I also agree to this mainly due to "Version-exclusive Pokémon" also being the official term. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Bumping this. The move appears to have unanimous support and, with it being the current official term, I see no reason why we shouldn't go ahead with it. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 21:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
+::::::I hope I did it well. There's one issue left for the staff who should check it out, the page "Talk:Game-exclusive_Pokémon/Archive1" is protected and links to the old name.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 21:58, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
+== Typo ==
+At the bottom of the HGSS section, where it talks about fossil pokemon, Anorith is misspelled as Anorth.
+[[User:Flherg|Flherg]] ([[User talk:Flherg|talk]]) 15:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
+== Edit suggestion ==
+"It is typical for several [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary families]] of Pokémon to be version exclusives in the first two games of a set, and then in the third game, some (but not all) version exclusives from the first two games will be obtainable while some Pokémon that could originally be in both of the first two games will be unobtainable in the third game."
+I feel like this is poorly written, wordy, and outdated. Here are some ways I think it could be rewritten, from most to least wordy:
+"It is typical for several [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary families]] of Pokémon to be version-exclusive between the {{DL|Core series|Release model|original versions}} of a set, and then in the upper versions, some families from the original versions will be obtainable, while some families that were obtainable in each of the original versions of a set will be unobtainable in the upper versions."
+OR
+"It is typical for several [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary families]] of Pokémon to be version-exclusive between the {{DL|Core series|Release model|original versions}} of a set, and then be obtainable in the upper versions, while some families that were obtainable in each of the original versions of a set will be unobtainable in the upper versions."
+OR
+"It is typical for several [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary families]] of Pokémon to be obtainable in each of the {{DL|Core series|Release model|original versions}} of a set, and then be unobtainable in the upper versions."
+--
+The sentence is really dense and I'm seriously struggling to balance reducing the wordiness while maintaining the thoroughness of the explanation. The first suggestion feels entirely too wordy, but I worry that the third suggestion cuts out too much, and I'm not convinced the second one is the perfect solution either. What do y'all think? Please give me your opinions/suggestions to improve the readability of this sentence. Thanks! [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 06:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
+:I'm also open to the suggestion of removing the sentence altogether, as it's already obvious to anyone who looks at the article that some Pokémon that are exclusive between the original paired versions will be obtainable in the third version, and some that are obtainable in both of the first versions will be unobtainable in the third version. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 07:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
+::You can find up-to-date versions of each option I'm considering on my [[User:Landfish7|userpage]] (I've added a fourth). Let me know if one sticks out! [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 08:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
+== Fix unnecessary letters ==
+I'd like to suggest Scarlet and Violet's abbreviations from "Sc" and "Vi" to simply "S" and "V". It was good for Sword and Shield since they start with the same letter, but Scarlet and Violet don't.[[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 04:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
+== Remove Pokemon evolved via trading only? ==
+Would it make more sense to remove Pokemon that can only be evolved into via trading and not available via other means in a game? Requiring trading in some way to acquire kinda defeats the point of being exclusive to a version without trading. Probably worth noting that in all paired versions other than B2W2 (unless I missed something in SV), the version-exclusive mons do not include any evolutions that can only be acquired via trading within the corresponding regional dex (Slowking and Scizor are not in the regional dex in FRLG and DP, for example) {{unsigned|Fortranm}}
+:Remove Pokémon such as Electivire?
+:I always think of version-exclusive Pokémon as those that I can acquire if I and all of my friends only had this version. As in, not limited to one copy, but limited to one version. (Otherwise, would Golem etc. be all considered version-exclusive?) Removing them would defeat that purpose, at least. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
+::Golem wouldn't be because it's equally unavailable on all versions in question in this sense :P
+::Except in Japanese Blue and SM where you can get one via in-game trading, which could easily add more meaningful information to the page once the difference is pointed out, in fact --[[User:Fortranm|Fortranm]] ([[User talk:Fortranm|talk]]) 18:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
+== Merge SM and USUM? ==
+It makes sense to merge SM and USUM since the later is the upper version of the former and cases like these share the same chart in the first 4 generations. One additional notable thing could be that Golem can be acquired within the game in SM but not in USUM due to in-game-trading (and Trevenant is available in SM via other means). --[[User:Fortranm|Fortranm]] ([[User talk:Fortranm|talk]]) 08:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
+:That's worth considering, I believe. The templates would need to be edited, but I don't really have any counterargument here. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
+== Missing Black 2/White 2 exclusives ==
+I would add them myself, but the page appears to be protected. Checking the Locations section of each Pokemon's page will confirm that this list is accurate.
+Black 2 only: Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Spinarak, Ariados, Sudowoodo, Plusle, Bonsly
+White 2 only: Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Mr. Mime, Ledyba, Ledian, Minun, Mime Jr.
+[[User:Hellbender|Hellbender]] ([[User talk:Hellbender|talk]]) 22:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+:I've removed the protection.  '''[[User:4iamking|<span style="font-family:noteworthy;color:#FF1493">4iam</span><span style="font-family:papyrus;color:#8A2BE2">king</span>]]''' 22:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+::Thanks! I made the changes just now. [[User:Hellbender|Hellbender]] ([[User talk:Hellbender|talk]]) 22:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+== Gen 4 - dual-slot mode and HG/SS Latias/Latios ==
+In gen 4, I think the Electabuzz, Magmar, and Gligar lines should be added as Platinum version-exclusives. They are obtainable in Diamond and Pearl only via Dual-Slot mode (using Fire Red, Leaf Green, and Emerald respectively), whereas in Platinum they can be caught without the use of another game cartridge. I would add these evolution lines to the table, plus a bullet point at the bottom explaining that they are obtainable in Diamond/Pearl via dual-slot mode with the appropriate game.
+Also, Latias/Latios should be added as Heart Gold/Soul Silver version-exclusives. It's only possible to obtain the other Lati twin with the event item Enigma Stone. This is similar to the situation in Ruby/Sapphire, where the Eon Ticket was necessary. Latios/Latias are listed as version-exclusives in the Ruby and Sapphire section, with a bullet point mentioning the event item. I propose to do the same for HG/SS.
+If someone else agrees with either/both of these, I'll make the edit(s).
+[[User:Hellbender|Hellbender]] ([[User talk:Hellbender|talk]]) 23:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+:Due to lack of objecting comments, I went ahead and made these edits. [[User:Hellbender|Hellbender]] ([[User talk:Hellbender|talk]]) 22:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
+== Where is Swirlix and Spritzee? ==
+They are both exclusive
+:I noticed this myself just now - fixed. [[User:Hellbender|Hellbender]] ([[User talk:Hellbender|talk]]) 22:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)