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+==Guardians of Mt Pyre==
 Guardians of Mt Pyre? Isn't that that old couple that looks like them? Last I looked, Tate and Liza weren't in their 80s. <small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Blackjack Gabbiani}} ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
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+==Name origin==
 Just by the by, I always figured Tate and Liza came from "Tantalize" but maybe I just made that up. -GreenGiant
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 Does anyone think that this page could be separated into two? One for Tate, and one for Liza. This is just because, even if they ARE the only Leaders to fight simultaneously, they ARE separate gym leaders. I think we might be able to bring this to discussion, so please respond. [[User:EvilKirikizan|Hello, EvilKirikizan speaking.]] 21:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 :Could you please detail what the differences between the two articles would be? Because there's no point in making two articles when one can do so more than adequately. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
-::Hmm... I didn't think about that. I just figured that it was standard to do that with leaders. {{tt|But you got me there.|No separate artwork, can't be battled separately...}}
+::Hmm... I didn't think about that. I just figured that it was standard to do that with leaders. {{tt|But you got me there.|No separate artwork, can't be battled separately...}} {{unsigned|EvilKirikizan}}
+== Wait. What? ==
+How is Tate a boy?{{Unsigned|Pokemoninfo}}
+:Sign your comments with 4 ~
+:Anyways, the name, and the anime voice are 2 examples of why he is a boy ^_^[[User:Blitzamirin|<span style="color:#399999"> ~ Blitzamirin ~ </span>]]  21:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
+::Well, sometimes twins can be a boy and a girl. Now if you want to know the difference between boys and girls, I suggest you go ask your parents. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 04:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
+==Split==
+Since they battle separately in the World Tournament in Black 2 and White 2, should they be split into their own articles? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:45, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
+: I don't really think so. It's a single (and potentially non-canon) occasion where they're not packed together. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 10:42, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
+: I agree that it doesn't need to be split. The PWT team is probably the only time so far that they aren't battling together. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 11:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
+:::Their quotes are connected, anime and manga appearances were always together, and most of their Pokémon are the same (It's even hard to distinguish who owns some of them). If this article was split, we would have two copies of the same article article with slight differences. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 12:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
+::::I don't think they should be. Despite their recent appearance as being separate, they're commonly presented as being together as "Tate & Liza". Additionally, as Duke R's said, it sounds like it would just be the same page with minor changes in each; being nearly impossible to distinguish their teams (for editors) and likely just confusing readers looking for information on both. They could read both pages, but I think that's just an unnecessary endeavor. [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] ([[User talk:Mitsuru|talk]]) 15:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
+:::::I vote against split, one battle apart shouldn't justify three games worth of battles, an anime and a manga appearance together. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 01:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
+::::::Same here, this Black 2 and White 2 stuff is mainly a one time thing. It's okay to keep it the way it is now. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::Well, since everyone seems to be happy with this the way it is now, and I wasn't strongly in favour either way, I'll take down the split notice. I was just interested in what people thought. Thanks for your opinions guys. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
+Ironically that is what I thought of at first when I saw the Youtube footage confirming they fighting separately but decided against it. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 07:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
+== Fraternal/Identical ==
+I'm confused. Tate and Liza look exactly alike besides hairstyles (which doesn't really count), implying that the two are identical twins. However, identical twins are always the same gender. So, are they fraternal twins that just happen to look exactly alike or what? [[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG  fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 21:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
+:Most likely yes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 21:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
+::It takes place in a fictional world, which most likely has its own biology. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 22:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
+:::Going off chromosomes alone, it is entirely possible to have all but the sex chromosome the same in siblings in the real world. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
+== Solrock's Ability ==
+As the only Ability Solrock may have is Levitate, shouldn't it be stated with it's moves like Lunatone, or not because of it maybe didn't display the Ability in the Anime?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 22:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
+:Nope. Despite Levitate being the only Ability Solrock had at the time, it was not shown activating it. Solrock did float in the air but nobody mentioned it as Levitate. Besides, the anime works differently than the games. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 23:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
+== Relatives ==
+In their debut anime episode, Liza and Tate are shown with their mother, Rachel, and their father, Jin. However, in Emerald, they state, "Papa has a hard time telling us apart!" Can it be added that they have a father in Emerald, despite being unnamed? However, they could be referring to a grandparent. The parental option seems more likely, though. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 20:49, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
+== Move to Liza and Tate ==
+This is the order of the names they have as gym leaders in OrAs so it seems appropriate to move the page to that. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 19:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
+:Not that drastic of a change in my opinion. I don't think it warrants a move. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 19:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
+:: I am speaking on anime based, manga based evidence, with a little bit of the conceptual art. In terms of the anime (see below discussion), Liza announces that she is older. Although they debut in the same chapter of the manga and are introduced at the same time, Juan introduces Tate first. However, with the artwork in the anime and games, Liza seems to be taller. Also, with their parents in the anime, Jin (on one hand) was expecting Tate to arrive first. However, Liza is the first to point out Tate's childish actions. I think that this is also more of an alphabetical debate. I say that it should be moved to Liza and Tate, with the "evidence" (for lack of a better word) that I have presented. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 22:16, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
+:Birth order/alphabetical order/etc. doesn't matter. What matters is what the common term is for the pair as a whole. Seeing as both "Tate and Liza" and "Liza and Tate" have seen usage, I feel a move isn't necessary... though it is worth noting that "Liza and Tate" fits better with the pair's name origin. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 05:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
+::Okay. I do agree with you that it fits better. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 17:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
+== Hair color change? ==
+I think that this is graphics, but I've noticed. In the anime, generation 3 games, generation 5's tournament, and in the adventures manga, Liza and Tate have blue hair. However, it seems now in generation 6, their hair is navy or black. Am I the only one who has noticed this?[[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 02:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
+:It's likely it's just part of the ORAS redesigns, but they're the only ones who had a hair color change from Gen III to Gen VI. Don't worry about that. [[User:Safyire|<sc><span style="color:#00ccff">'''S'''afyire</span></sc>]][[User talk:Safyire|<span style="color:gray"><sup>[<small><sc>Talk</sc></small>]</sup></span>]] 04:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
+:: Ah. Still, it's a change and I wonder about the in-game relatives. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 02:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)