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 I think we should add that this move can be learned by most of the pokemon (123 in Generation IV). Or that this is the most learned Water type in this game so far.
-:no, because moves like {{m|Hidden Power}} and {{m|Toxic}} can be learned by ANYONE. itd be like saying {{m|Fly}} can be learned by almost any Flying type. its self explanitory. Surf = water type. therefor, almost all the water types can learn it, along with the odd one here and there. <b>[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TALK]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]</b> 04:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
+:no, because moves like {{m|Hidden Power}} and {{m|Toxic}} can be learned by ANYONE. itd be like saying {{m|Fly}} can be learned by almost any Flying type. its self explanitory. Surf = water type. therefor, almost all the water types can learn it, along with the odd one here and there. <b>[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TALK]]</span></b> 04:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 ::Umm...
 ::Ditto, Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Wurmple, Silcoon and Cascoon can't learn hidden power or toxic (Unown can't learn Toxic either), i believe. [[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 05:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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 I think we should add this little trivia fact (I have done this, and it works!):
-There's a hidden key item in the Generation 1 games called ????? that allows you to Surf outside of battle without the need for HM03. It can be obtained with the Gameshark code for item modifying, with the hex variable set to 07. If the game is saved while the code is active, the item stays in the pouch like any other key item, even after the GameShark is removed. To use, just go up to water, and select it from the item pouch. The item was created in the beta versions, and later made unavailable, but not removed entirely. --<span style="background:#000000;">{{ani|250}}[[User:Fsilone|<span style="color:#F0E028;">隼也
+There's a hidden key item in the Generation 1 games called ????? that allows you to Surf outside of battle without the need for HM03. It can be obtained with the Gameshark code for item modifying, with the hex variable set to 07. If the game is saved while the code is active, the item stays in the pouch like any other key item, even after the GameShark is removed. To use, just go up to water, and select it from the item pouch. The item was created in the beta versions, and later made unavailable, but not removed entirely. --<span style="background:#000000;">[[User:Fsilone|<span style="color:#F0E028;">隼也
-</span>]]{{ani|249}}[[Special:Contributions/Fsilone|<span style="color:#B8B8B8;">じゅんや</span>]]</span> 17:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
+</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fsilone|<span style="color:#B8B8B8;">じゅんや</span>]]</span> 17:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 :It sounds like it could just be a simple glitch rather than a beta item. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 19:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
-::I don't know, but either way, it's there, and I just think people should know about it. --<span style="background:#000000;">{{ani|250}}[[User:Fsilone|<span style="color:#F0E028;">隼也
+::I don't know, but either way, it's there, and I just think people should know about it. --<span style="background:#000000;">[[User:Fsilone|<span style="color:#F0E028;">隼也
-</span>]]{{ani|249}}[[Special:Contributions/Fsilone|<span style="color:#B8B8B8;">じゅんや</span>]]</span> 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
+</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fsilone|<span style="color:#B8B8B8;">じゅんや</span>]]</span> 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 :::Not to butt in on an old conversation, but the item was a beta for game testers to progress easier. It's like, a surfboard item or something. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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 Tauros temporarily lost ability to learn Surf in Generation III (according to article), despite being able to learn it in Generation II, IV and V. This is the first time I saw such oddity in learnset of HM (discounting the moves that lost their HM status). Is it worth noting? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 :Tauros can learn Surf in Generation III.  It must have not been added or something. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
+==Surfing sprite==
+" In Generation I, a Dewgong is shown (although this was just the Water-type sprite; unless Pikachu is surfing, where a surfing Pikachu sprite is shown instead)."
+There is no way that anyone knows that that's a Dewgong.  The only resemblance between it and a Dewgong is that they are both white and have flippers and a tail.  Who's to say it's not a Seel?  It doesn't really look like either of the two if you ask me. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 16:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
+== RGB ==
+Is it just me, or there was no Pokémon found via surfing until {{game|Yellow}}? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
+== Counterparts? ==
+Should't Surf be considered a counterpart to Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam? It has 95 power, and the same amount of PP as Flamethrower and Thunderbolt. [[User:TyphlosionTheBurninator|TyphlosionTheBurninator]] ([[User talk:TyphlosionTheBurninator|talk]]) 23:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
+:No because it's an HM. [[User:JDDJS|JDDJS]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|talk]]) 20:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
+::I'm pretty sure it's not that; it's because it doesn't have any secondary effect like all the others do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
+:::Also it hits multiple targets in Double/Triple Battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
+== Quibbles with Diablo del Oeste ==
+First and least importantly, I don't think it's necessary to mention the change in Surfing Pikachu's color, since it only exists because of the way Gen I had to change the entire palette of the game, while Gen II could handle more colors simultaneously.
+Secondly, the Gen III sprites. Look at the RSE sprite and look at Wailmer. The flippers are completely different, there's no underbelly, and generally speaking, there are practically zero distinguishing characteristics to identify it as any particular Pokemon. I don't agree that the FRLG sprite is recognizable as Poliwrath, but I can see where there's more wiggle room than RSE. The backside is difficult to make out even when zoomed in, but to me it looks more like a two-pronged tail than legs. The top of the head is rounded, without bumps for its eyes. And if it were meant to be Poliwrath, you'd think its prominent arms would be featured. Nope, I really think both Gen III sprites are just generic sprites. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
+:So you say that my edits are quibbles? Well, I find this disgusting and disrespectful. I reported you to Magnedeth, he will take care of your aggressiveness. I found in your user page that you like being aggresive to other users, well, let's see if this kind of behavior will make you last.
+:Now, about the sprites. I think it's necessary to mention the change in color in Generation II, because this time Surfing Pikachu was given a fixed color, not the inconstant palettes of Gen I everytime you moved into a city. We mentioned the difference between red and blue Lapras, well, why not Surfing Pikachu between both generations, too? About the Wailmer one, I think it can't be confused with another Pokémon, its body shape is clearly from a Wailmer. And moreover, when the Wailmers are blocking the route east of Lilycove City in Generation III, their sprites are shown, I don't see how low resolution has something to do with this. And about Poliwrath, well let's see what we've got here, the sprite is blue, it has eyes that protrude from the body, it has the same legs, it doesn't looks like Seaking or Cloyster, or any other Generation I Water-type. So it clearly resembles the anatomy of a Poliwrath (or in any case, Poliwhirl). And that's why they are recognizable sprites, not like those from Gen IV onwards which aren't.--[[User:Diablo del Oeste|Diablo del Oeste]] ([[User talk:Diablo del Oeste|talk]]) 09:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
+::What? My intention is not aggression at all. You're completely misreading my tone.
+::I apologize for the use of the word "quibble"; I did not mean it as an insult to you or your intended edits, but merely to signify that flavor-related things such as this are less important to the article than things like learnset tables or battle/contest statistics.
+::I'll concede to you that mentioning the 1/2 color change is notable, but I think it would fit better on another page rather than this one because the palette change is broader in scope than just surfing sprites. I've added it to the {{DL|Generation II|Major alterations from Generation I include|Generation II}} page; if this is not acceptable to you, just say so.
+::I'd like to wait for more people's opinions on the Gen III sprites than just ours because I am convinced they're generic, but I won't push the issue if other people agree with you. I've said what I wanted to say above, so if that's not persuasive enough, so be it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
+== Lapras in Gev VI ==
+So, I found out about this a few days ago and wanted to share this with everyone:
+In Pokemon X/Y, if one uses Surf which a Lapras has learned, instead of the casual "boat", said Lapras appears. This obviously is a reference to the anime, when Ash was riding his Lapras during the Orange Islands season of the anime. {{unsigned|Tasos500}}
+:That's already noted on both this and Lapras' page. And no it isn't. The anime didn't invent the concept of riding on a Lapras. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
+::Then what is it a reference to? [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 02:54, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+:::Why does it have to be a reference to anything? Why can't it just be a plain old Lapras? But if you insist on it being a reference, it's more likely to be a reference to the fact that in Gen I (and II), Lapras was the overworld minisprite for Surfing. Gen VI is really heavy with references to Gen I (Snorlax, for instance), so in the off chance this is a reference to anything, I think that's the most likely candidate. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+:::(On second glance, it looks like I misremembered; Seel is the minisprite in Gen I. Lapras was in Gen II, though, so it still sort of stands. And I still think it doesn't have to be a reference at all.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+::::I completely missed the [[Viridian Forest]] reference, so, I was thinking that maybe there were other references I missed; this one being a case. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 22:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+== Lapras in XY ==
+If the player use Lapras to surf then you end surfing on Lapras, so can someone who can screen capture, get the image and put it on the page. Thanks.--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 12:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
+:[[a:File:Photo Spot Azure Bay.png|This]] could suffice... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
+:: it was more to go along with the surfing minisprites underneath the others--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 12:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
+Now that I look at the section we also need the female character surfing for that bit:
+{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{water color dark}}; border: #{{water color dark}}"
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{water color}}; border: #{{water color}}"
+|-
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; border: #{{kanto color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev1|RBY}}
+|-
+| [[File:RBY Surf.png]]
+| [[File:025 I Surfing OD.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{johto color light}}; border: #{{kanto color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="3" | {{gameabbrev2|GSC}}
+|-
+| [[File:GSC Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:C Surf F.png]]
+| [[File:Doll Surf Pikachu II.png]]
+|-
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: #{{hoenn color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev3|RS}}
+|-
+| [[File:RS Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:RS Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; border: #{{kanto color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}
+|-
+| [[File:FRLG Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:FRLG Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: #{{hoenn color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev3|E}}
+|-
+| [[File:E Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:E Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; border: #{{sinnoh color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev4|DP}}
+|-
+| [[File:DP Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:DP Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; border: #{{sinnoh color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | '''{{color2|{{platinum color dark}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}'''
+|-
+| [[File:Pt Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:Pt Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{johto color light}}; border: #{{kanto color light}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}
+|-
+| [[File:HGSS Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:HGSS Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{unova color light}}; border: #{{unova color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
+|-
+| [[File:BW Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:BW Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{unova color light}}; border: #{{unova color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
+|-
+| [[File:B2W2 Surf M.png]]
+| [[File:B2W2 Surf F.png]]
+|}
+|
+{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{unova color light}}; border: #{{kalos color}}"
+|-
+| colspan="2" | {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
+|-
+| [[File:XY Surf M.png]]
+| <!--[[File:XY Surf F.png]]-->
+|}
+|}
+|}{{-}}
+What does everyone else think about having different images for each of the 6 different player models (So the basic versions you pick at the start of the game)--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 20:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
+:If they're all looking to the side like that, you'd hardly be able to tell one version from the next for the male, at least. The female wouldn't really be all that different either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
+:: If I'm reading what you said right then we should still have the female one for consitancy. Also the Lapras spirte for each one because it is different to what is already in the table anyway.--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 15:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
+== ΩR&alpha;S ==
+In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, they've introduced a lot of new mechanics into surfing, more Pokémon have custom sprites, and at least one (Sharpedo) has a different speed then other Pokémon that can surf, I know it should be added into the article, but I'm not quite sure what all Pokémon have differences, or how the best way to add it in would be.
+I know that Lapras, Wailmer, and Sharpedo all have custom surfing sprites, but I'm not sure whether or not that's all of them.
+And Sharpedo has a different speed then other Pokémon, being the speed of the Mach bike rather than running speed.
+Anyone know of some others? -[[User:IVsaur|<span style="color:lightbrown">EVs</span><small><span style="color:black">and</span></small><span style="color:green">IVsaurs</span>]] 19:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
+: It would also be good if we could get some sprites of the other surfing models in ORAS. waterlubber 01:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
+::Kyogre is the only one not listed here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)