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==Elemental Hyper Beams==
In Gen. III, only Charizard, Venusaur and Blastoise could learn [[Blast Burn]], [[Frenzy Plant]] and [[Hydro Cannon]], respectively. The Johto starters could learn it too, but only by being traded from XD (just like [[Lugia]] and [[Psycho Boost]]). Should the 3 HB variations be included in this list, since other "former" signature moves are also included?--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] 02:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:Feel free to add it at the bottom of the page, but note that all the fully-evolved starters can learn them in Generation IV. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::You know, there's not really too much of a point to replying to topics well over a month old. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 00:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

==Skarmory?==
Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.
:That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}} [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and {{m|Vacuum Wave}}.  I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
What about [[Porygon-Z]] and [[Trick Room]]? Though Trick Room is a [[TM]], only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about [[Metagross]] and [[Meteor Mash]]?
--[[User:Mooshykris|Mooshykris]] 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[[Clefairy]] learns [[Meteor Mash]], though...hardly exclusive...
--[[User:Myrmidon|Myrmidom]]

And [[Chimchar]] with [[Facade]], this is the same scenario as [[Trick Room]]. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs? ==

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[TM]] or [[HM]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | [[TM01]]
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Focus Punch}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Vigoroth}}
| 43
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 43
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM21]]
| {{m|Frustration}}
| {{p|Buneary}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM27]]
| {{m|Return}}
| {{p|Lopunny}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM42]]
| {{m|Facade}}
| {{p|Chimchar}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="3" | [[TM47]]
| rowspan="3" | {{m|Steel Wing}}
| rowspan="3" | {{p|Skarmory}}
| 49
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 32
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[HM05]] ([[Generation III]])
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Flash}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Volbeat}}
| rowspan="2" | --
| rowspan="2" | {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM70]]
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Smoochum}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Jynx}}
| 33
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM92]]
| {{m|Trick Room}}
| {{p|Porygon-Z}}
| --
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Goldeen}}
| 37
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 37
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Seaking}}
| 39
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 40
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
<br clear="all">

If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

: As I said above, Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}}.  [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

::I placed it [[#Level-up_otherwise_exclusive_to_Move_Tutors.3F|here]] so that we stay in a [[Generation III]]/[[Generation IV|IV]] scope. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Raquazza and Fly! Only he learns through level up!--<span style="color:#A020F0">[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]]</span> 12:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
*coughs* Salamence. That's like his family's evolution story line. And I think it should be at least mentioned about Abra, and how he only uses Teleport.

:Read [[Salamence#Learnset|this]] [[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 20:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Meowth's Pay Day (Generation I's TM16) should probably be in this section as well... [[User:Blue Charizard|Blue Charizard]] 18:00, 2 April 2010

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors? ==

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Mega Kick}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| 53
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 49
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
<br clear="all">

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding? ==

In the article, {{m|Octazooka}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Octillery}}, and {{m|Present}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Delibird}} (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Icicle Spear}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Shellder}}
| 8
| {{gen|III}} ([[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|FR/LG]])
|- align="center"
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Makuhita}}
| 31
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Hariyama}}
| 33
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| {{m|Vacuum Wave}}
| {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| 26
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
<br clear="all">

== About evolved forms ==

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed?  {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Raichu}} appear in the article.  However, the species that actually learns {{m|Volt Tackle}} is {{p|Pichu}} (making the [[Pokémon Battle Revolution#Colosseums|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] a [[Signature move#Trivia|trivia section]] material).  If Raichu can appear in the list, then {{p|Togekiss}} and {{p|Mismagius}} should, too. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]]<small>[[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#FF594F;">'''TESH'''</span>]]</small>[[Image:Ani233MS.gif]]<small>[[User Talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#5FA7C6;">'''TALK'''</span>]]</small>[[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Splash?==

Would [[Splash (move)|Splash]] be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much [[Magikarp (Pokémon)|Magikarp]]'s trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:You're right, according to the current status of the article.  But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list.  IMO, in any case, [[Generation III]] stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with [[Generation IV]], but I still don't like the idea.
:I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right?  Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too.  I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. <big>[[Image:Ani137MS.gif]]<sub>[[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#F05030;">'''TESH'''</span>]]</sub>[[Image:Ani233MS.gif]]<sub>[[User Talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#5C8CFA;">'''TALK'''</span>]]</sub> [[Image:Ani474MS.gif]]<sub>[[User:Tesh/Other|<span style="color:#EEC226;">'''FUN'''</span>]]</sub></big> 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]]<small>[[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|<font color="#ff7755">Moo, I say.</font>]]</small> 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::You mean like {{p|Blaziken}}'s {{m|Blaze Kick}}? '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::As in check the {{m|Zap Cannon}} page...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon '''or a very small select group of Pokémon'''." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:
#They don't seem to be related...
#Five Pokémon isn't a small group
#Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...
'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::well...
::#they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
::#its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)
::
::'''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ack! You win...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAGNEDETH</span>]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|<span style="color:#000033;">RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|<span style="color:#000033;">NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|<span style="color:#000033;">DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|<span style="color:#000033;">PT]]</span>[[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Splitting ==

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESHIGIGAS'''</span>]] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
::But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESHIGIGAS'''</span>]] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== Small group? ==

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with {{m|Magnet Bomb}}, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about {{m|Meteor Mash}} then? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Staryu ==

In Generation III, [[Staryu]] was the only Pokemon who could learn [[Camouflage (move)|Camouflage]]. [[Mothim]] can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -[[User:TIMMY|TIMMY]]

: Added.  [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

::Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

:::We're still missing {{p|Mothim}} on there though...I guess I'll add it unless anyone has any objections...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 00:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Skitty ==

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--<span style="color:#A020F0">[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]]</span> 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

This article NEEDS some cleanup... some signature moves don't make sense and some are in a lot of pokemon, so they should be removed. I think if a pokemon prior to Gen IV now learns a GEN IV move, it shouldn't be mentioned, 'cause it's obvious that another pokemon will learn the same move (for example Relicanth that learns [[Head Smash (move)|Cranidos' signature]]. in that case Relicanth should be removed). If someone doesn't agree with me, then just undo it. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 00:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's fine. '''<span style="background:#4B0082">[[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFD700">PL</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">12</span>]]</span>''' 00:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's fine if it's only one or two different evolution families. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Crush Grip ==

What about the Combusken who has Crush Grip in PBR {{unsigned|Tannerbro}}
:That Combusken is unobtainable '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::I have seen no proof that exsits. Can someone (an admin) hide that comment until there is a picture or video shown so we can back up such a far fetched claim? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, hiding comments is virtually the same as deleting them, which isn't allowed. ''[[User:Moldy orange|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 02:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm actually now wondering if this person was mistaking Crush Grip for the breedable {{m|Crush Claw}}... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Meteor Mash ==

Meteor Mash should definitely be included, like only 2 pokémon lines can learn it, and like skull bash, is listed here which also has 2 pokémon lines so why shouldn't Meteor Mash be? And why is some Hitmonlee's and other POkemon's moves are asterixed when Medicham later on has Hi Jump Kick and isnt asterixed?? It should only be asterixed when the sig move has gone completely over eg extremespeed which the others rayquaza etc arent listed... ... [[User:Wowy|--&lt;large&gt; &quot;&#91;&#91;User:WoWy&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;;&gt;WoWy&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93;&quot;&lt;/large&gt;&#39;&#39;(&#91;&#91;User talk:Wowy&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93;)&#39;&#39;]] 05:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Wowy
:I think this article is the most controvesrial thing... I think that a signature move should be a move that onle ONE Pokémon learns... I mean these are the REAL signature moves:
:*Volt Tackle (Pikachu family)
:*Pay Day (Meowth)
:*Kinesis (Kadabra and Alakazam)
:*Barrage (Exeggcute family)
:*Bone Club (Cubone and Marowak)
:*Lovely Kiss (Smoochum and Jynx)
:*Conversion, Conversion2 and Sharpen (Porygons)
:*Spider Web (Spinarak and Ariados)
:*Pain Split (Misdreavus)
:*Octazooka (Octillery)
:*Present (Delibird)
:*Sketch (Smeargle)
:*Triple Kick (Hitmontop)
:*Milk Drink (Miltank)
:*Aeroblast (Lugia)
:*Sacred Fire (Ho-Oh)
:*Arm Thrust (Makuhita and Hariyama)
:*Teeter Dance (Spinda)
:*Poison Tail (Seviper)
:*Ice Ball (Spheal family)
:*Mist Ball (Latias)
:*Luster Purge (Latios)
:*Doom Desire (Jirachi)
:*Psycho Boost (Deoxys)
:*Attack, Defend and Heal Orders (Vespiqueen)
:*Chatter (Chatot)
:*Rock Wrecker (Rhyperior)
:*Roar of Time (Dialga)
:*Spacial Rend (Palkia)
:*Magma Storm (Heatran)
:*Crush Grip (Regigigas)
:*Shadow Force (Giratina)
:*Lunar Dance (Cresselia)
:*Heart Swap (Manaphy)
:*Dark Void (Darkrai)
:*Seed Flare (Shaymin)
:*Judgement (Arceus)

:Any other move should not be in the list, because more than a family learns it. Remember that a signature is something that's from your own and no one else. That's why repeated moves should not be in the list. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::I agree with this.  Also, {{m|Bonemerang}} is another exclusive move to the {{p|Cubone}} family.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#003366" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#008000" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#800000">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 18:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

===Moves===
I'll add Splash becoz only Magikarp had Splash in Gen I with an asterix sign, while Meteor Mash also becoz there are some moves listed here that have more than one move per pokémon, usally two. And who said that only one family needs a signature move and when it has two it's not. I've never seen any official guide saying that. And Icicle Spear, Smelligsalt and Vacuum Wave I'll add becoz Octazooka is here which can also be bred. These moves are VERY free to undo if u wish. Oh and i'll add assist with an asterix as only skitty can learn in Gen III--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:Signature moves can be bred, that's obvious, but no Pokémon can normally learn them. This article NEEDS to be redone. 'nuff said. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 12:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== waterfall ==
I see someone's cleaned it up but waterfall should be included but with an * coz ONLY goldeen and seaking learnt in Gen I coz it wasnt a TM/HM there could be more moves like this--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 23:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
: I also noticed mimic is a signatre move for sudowoodo, however in ONLY generation II because in Generation I it was a TM, I'm not sure about MIMIC--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 23:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
::What about {{m|featherdance}}?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 06:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Fact ==

Could someone add that signature moves are recommended for the pokemon learning them. Also, you forgot about the legendaries. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Xknight 511|Xknight 511]] ([[User talk:Xknight 511|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xknight 511|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
:In some cases they aren't. Take for example Ho-Oh in Gen II and III. He has Higher Attack than Sp. Atk, but his Signature move focuses in Sp. Atk. So it depends on the trainer. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 07:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sorted by generation? ==

How ab out instead of making it so pokemon has a note saying when the move isn't signature, we make a page or section on this page for each generation? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 15:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you mean have sections like "Signature moves in Generation I" and "Signature moves in Generation II"? If so, I think that's a great idea. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 15:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
::I think that' s very good idea too. [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] 19:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I've been working on this for the past month, using a Word document. But it hasn't been going so well. You see, some signature moves just came off the top of my head, but I'm having trouble remembering whether or not there are any signature moves other than the ones in my document. But don't fear, I'll get it finished soon. --[[user:Baby G|<span style="color:#FF4500;">Baby G]]</span> <small>([[user talk:Baby G|<span style="color:#D1E231;">talk to me]]</span>)</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|<span style="color:#B87333;">see my edits]]</span>)</small> 20:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unprotect please ==

Kenji-girl protected this article because she was losing in the edit war. I told her that I promise to stop edit warring, but she's completely ignoring me. Can someone please unprotect this article? [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 15:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


== Platinum ==
Should i add Platinum signature moves, coz I added scyther with Vacuum Wave and somone took it off... Look at Serebii and it says it can learn it...--'''[[User:Wowy|<span style="color=#E7CE6B">Wowy</span><span style="color=#42528C">XD</span>]] [[User talk:Wowy|<span style="color=#FFD600">\⁄</span><span style="color=#FF5A00">!!!<small>''-talk''</small></span>]]'''  07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:Well, yeah Serebii knows lots of things, but he isn't very relliable at times... and you NEED to fix your signature!!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 22:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, Scyther can learn Vacuum Wave via the move relearner in Pastoria, so it is indeed one of Scyther's moves.--[[User:RiverAura|<span style="#00ccff">*River*</span>]] [[User_Talk:RiverAura|<span style="#00ffcc">*Aura*</span>]] 00:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Camouflage ==
Why Camouflage is here? It can be learned by two pokémon --[[User:CorsolaSplash|CorsolaSplash]] 18:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:As long as it's learnable by a relative few Pokémon (out of 493, two is VERY few), it goes here. I don't know where we should put the threshold, however, but as long as less than 1% of all Pokémon learn a move (not counting their evolutions) it should go here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::I kinda think it should be limited to one evolution family, ESPECIALLY if two very unrelated Pokémon (like Scyther and Hitmonlee as mentioned with {{m|Vacuum Wave}} above) both know the move. If you think that's too extreme/harsh, maybe if two somewhat similar Pokémon both know the move (like if they have common design elements or something). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|<font color="purple">Berr</font><font color="blue">yma</font><font color="green">ster</font>]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|<font color="silver">Contrib</font>]]'''}→ 01:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Moves only count as signature moves if only one Pokémon are one evolution family can learn them. Besides, Hitmonchan and Scyther aren't the only 2 Pokémon that can legitimatelly have Vacuum Wave. About 30 others can learn it from the {{game3|Platinum|Platinum|}} [[move tutor|tutor]]. --[[user:Baby G|<span style="color:#FF4500;">Baby G]]</span> <small>([[user talk:Baby G|<span style="color:#D1E231;">talk to me]]</span>)</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|<span style="color:#B87333;">see my edits]]</span>)</small> 21:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, that brings up a similar issue... moves that can be learned other than level-up by many, but level-only for a few. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I used to think that level up was all that counted, but about a month ago, Kenji-girl said that other methods ({{pkmn|breeding}}, [[TM]]s, etc.) do count when it comes to signature moves. So Vacuum Wave has actually never been Hitmonchan's signature move, since several others could learn it by breeding before Platinum. --[[user:Baby G|<span style="color:#FF4500;">Baby G]]</span> <small>([[user talk:Baby G|<span style="color:#D1E231;">talk to me]]</span>)</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|<span style="color:#B87333;">see my edits]]</span>)</small> 21:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Transform? ==

Why signature move of {{p|Ditto}} and {{p|Mew}} is the {{m|Transform}} (which is written), a {{m|Fly}} isn't a signature move of {{p|Salamence}} and {{p|Rayquaza}}. [[User:Era64|Era64]] 11:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, for Ditto at least, Transform is its ''only'' move. Mew just has that "DNA of all Pokémon in it" deal that lets him transform.<small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Phred|Phred]] ([[User talk:Phred|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Phred|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
::But it's not a signature move, since more than one Pokémon learns it by level, and Mew and Ditto aren't in an evolution family. --[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho]]</span>[[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col]]</span>[[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate]]</span> 20:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's still a ''small group'' of Pokemon. So it's limited to who can learn it. Also once again I think this needs to be split into generations. [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESH'''</span>]][[User_talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''IGIGAS'''</span>]] 20:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But Kenji-girl said that signature moves are moves only learned by one Pokémon, or one evolution family. "Small groups" don't count unless they're in the same evolution family. Also, I've been working on generation splitting for a while now, and I'm almost done. --[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho]]</span>[[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col]]</span>[[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate]]</span> 20:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::It does say at the beggining of the page that they ''can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon''. So Mew and Transform should be on there. If it's like 3 Pokemon in different evolution families and it can be bred into others, then it isn't a signature move really. And thank you for splitting this into generations (when you're done!). [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESH'''</span>]][[User_talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''IGIGAS'''</span>]] 21:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, okay, maybe Transform isn't Mew's signature move, but it's surely Ditto's. I mean, it's the ONLY thing it can do. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 23:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario==

Aura Sphere----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 17:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:No. Several others can use it as well. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 23:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::ya but some Pokémon can use other signature moves and pretty much every Lucario in the anime knows it,and I'm not sure why Togekiss learns it all other Pokémon that learn it because their legendary I mean Chimchar gets Blaze Kick by breeding but it's still Blazikens move------[[user:Ultamatecharizard|AMERICAN ELECTION TODAY!]]
:::Sigh....This is because {{p|Blaziken}} was the only one that could learn it until Gen IV... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 19:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::: Lucario is no more Legendary than Togekiss. Not even more rare. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Stop Removing Relicanth, Cranidos, Rampardos, and Mothim ==

I quote, from the top of the page: "Signature moves are moves that can only be learned by a single Pokémon '''or a very small select group of Pokémon by level-up''' (with the exception of Pikachu's Volt Tackle), usually in the same evolutionary line."
So stop removing it, ok? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 20:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't understand the idea behind "signature moves" in many evolutionary lines. Okay then, add there every other move that is in very few movepools. You, go then add Hoppip's Splash in Gen II (there was IIRC only Hoppip and Magikarp back then), Rayquaza's Extremespeed in Gen III and '''every friggin other move that is in 2 or 3 movepools''', okay? Happy hunting, though it won't change my mind about the fact that the introduction there is '''wrong'''. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 20:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe they should be there; I'm personally too lazy to hunt them, and would rather either A) Keep it like it is, or B) get the intro changed, which is what you should do if you think its wrong. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd do the B) if I could, but I can't be sure which way (one family or few families) is more common among players and therefore my edit would be opinionated. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 20:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know where the small group of Pokémon came from. That wasn't my idea of a signature move when I created this page. Maybe if the Pokémon were physically alike it would be okay. But Relicanth, Cranidos, and Mothim have nothing in common. Two different families should be the max if at all. Definitely not three. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It is two families: Relicanth and Cranidos for Head something or other; Mothim's being removed for a different move, Camoflouge or however its spelled. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 22:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Either way, either Relicanth needs to be added because it also knows Head Smash (and is more adept at using it due to Rock Head) or Cranidos/Ramparados need to be removed.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 16:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

==This page is in need of SERIOUS clean-up.==

Some moves are counted as signature when they're limited to one Pokémon. Some are counted when they're limited to two Pokémon. Some three Pokémon. Where's the limit? I think two families should be the most.(Branched families are fine.) I'd prefer only one family, but I'll accept anything, just agree on something.

Some moves are counted as "signature" if they're limited to one(or a few) Pokémon NATURALLY...other moves are counted if they're limited OVERALL. I think that TMs/HMs/tutors/"bonus" moves should not matter, Waterfall is still Goldeen and Seaking's signature move. I'd accept the other way too, but it needs to be CONSISTENT.

Not to mention a few of the asterisks are wrong...and some without asterisks could use some. Or it could be split to generations, but I think asterisks work just fine.

The Pikachu that knows Volt Tackle doesn't need to be in the one-off section. Yes, it's only Pichu's signature move...but Pikachus can normally learn it by evolving from Pichu! Pikachu shouldn't be in the table, that is correct, but it doesn't need to be in the one-off either. That should be for examples that COULD NOT happen otherwise, like the Dratini with ExtremeSpeed.[[User:Flint A|Flint A]] 20:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:My opinion is that if a move can be learned by any or all of the Pokémon of '''one''' family naturally or by TM, it is a signature move. If a move is shared with an other family or it is a TM that can be used or a move tutor move that can be taught on more than the family in question, it is not a signature move. Event Pokémon are obviously excluded. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 22:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds fine to me, a more "exclusive" definition of signature move. Although if something was a signature move at one point, I'd expect it there with an asterisk. The most important thing is that a definition is made. "More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision."[[User:Flint A|Flint A]] 11:03, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


==GrassWhistle==
In GenerationIII, Roselia was the only one who could learn GrassWhistle by leveling up(to lv 29). There are many other pokemon that can learn it now in Generation IV, but it used to be a move unique only to Roselia(by level up). --[[User:PKFL 531|PKFL 531]] 01:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

==Removing moves==

Before I edit the actual page, I want to see if everyone agrees to this. 

I was thinking of removing the following moves since they're "Signature" titles are questionable:

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-{{m|Petal Dance}}

-{{m|Crush Claw}}

-{{m|Splash}}

-{{m|Super Fang}}

-{{m|Beat Up}}

-{{m|Pain Split}}

-{{m|FeatherDance}} 

-{{m|Assist}}

-{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}

-{{m|Weather Ball}}

-{{m|Extrasensory}}

-{{m|Megahorn}}

-{{m|Waterfall}}

-{{m|Leaf Blade}}
--------------------------

Yes yes, I know that's quite a lot of moves to pick out. But let's be honest, These moves are a little too common to be "Signature" thanks to other Pokémon showing up or Pokémon learning said moves via Breeding, Level up, Move tutor, TM/HM etc.

If you don't agree with this, I'll ignore this. Or if you want only a specific move or two gone, I'll only get rid of those instead.<small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ninterror}} ([[User talk:Ninterror|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ninterror|contribs]]) ''</small>

:Personally, I think it might be better to either do away with this article, or sort in into 4 articles, one for each generaton [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 20:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with the idea of splitting them up as these moves were all once signature moves. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 00:53, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Why make a whole other article? It says in the asterisk that it was "Prior to Generation X". Just leave it as it is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 02:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Many of those moves are already noted as being signature moves prior to a Generation, as the person above said. However, Beat Up, Crush Claw, Pain Split, Feather Dance, Assist and Extrasensory, are different. They're signature moves in that only a select few Pokémon learn ''by level up'', but can be taught in other ways. In the "Other signature move examples" section, such things are noted, where a move is learned by more than one Pokémon but only by one by level up. I say we move the mentioned moves to a whole new section for "Level Up Signature Moves", where we list the signature moves if we go by moves learned through level and not by tutor or TM or breeding. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 05:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon ==

I would just like to say that I have finally added the elemental hyper beams to the bottom of the page. Feel free to delete it if you like, but I do think that this edit would help the bulbapedia community.  ----<span style="color:gold">GEN</span><span style="color:Black">1</span>[[User:Example|<span style="color:gold">KING</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:<span style="color:Black">TALK</span>]])''</small> 06:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
: I would disagree here.  The signature moves of Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise have always been and will always be Flamethrower, SolarBeam, and Hydro Pump, respectively. SSBB even confirms that Charizard's signature move is Flamethrower (not Blast Burn). [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 18:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
::In most cases I would agree with you, but by the definition f signature move on Bulbapedia, that is extremely inacurate. Though true in a certain sense, Blastoise is not the only pokémon to learn Hydro Pump, and same goes for the rest. Also, no offense, but Super Smash Bros. Trophies are not exactly the most reliable source for canon information :p  --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:gold">''GEN''</span>]]1[[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:gold">KING</span>]] 06:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Former Signature moves! ==

We should have a section for Pokémon who's moves used to be signature moves, instead of keeping them with the other Pokémon. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 13:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi]] "I reject your reality, and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, after being proven wrong.--''Mythbusters''

== Overhaul ==

Alright, I went for it and changed the main body to only refer to Generation IV signature moves. The list of former signature moves near the bottom might be better as some sort of table, but I'm not good at making tables and it wouldn't be like just copying the first table, as we'd need "unsignature" dates. Also, that list should not be considered comprehensive; it's just the ones that were there already plus the ones from the old list. There might be some missing.

The only controversial change I think is that I specifically limited signature moves to one evolutionary family only, but I seem to see quite a bit of support for that on the talk page and I feel it's the only sensible decision myself.
--[[User:Yoshi348|Yoshi348]] 20:04, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:just because you "see the support" doesnt mean you just do it, you dont have that power. it has to be definitively discussed for sure. i have undone your edits, but barring a proper definitive discussion, it can be re-added. i want to see what people think in an uncluttered manor. i personally dont see a huge problem in your way, but i also think we can find a better, cleaner layout than yours. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 20:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Phantom asterisk ==

Pokemon that had their signature moves learned by other Pokemon with the coming of a new generation were marked with an asterisk. There wasn't a note at the bottom saying what the asterisk was for, but rather one of those things you highlight (dunno what that's called). We should at least have a note in addition to it. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 00:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Arcanine's ExtremeSpeed. ==

Shouldn't it say "Prior to Generation II"? It currently says "Prior to generation III". --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

:No, it was Arcanine's sig move prior to gen II, that is, before gen II. Extremespeed didn't exist prior to gen II {{unsigned|Malake256}}
:: Right. I forgot the distinction between Crystal and Gen. II. It was unique to Arcanine "Prior to Crystal". --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

==Metronome==
Signature moves can be moved by any pokemon knowing [[Metronome]]. My [[Togepi]] used metronome, and used [[Doom Desire]]! [[User:Panther2598|Panther2598]]
thats kind of obvious i mean metronome uses a random move from every move existing in a generation and they never said that they couldn't be used they just said that they can't be learned [[User:Juarmo|Juarmo]] 05:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Oath of Fire, Water and Grass ==

Do you think we should add that?-[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:23, 03 September 2010 (UTC)
:We should wait until the games are released. For all we know, they could be used by the other starters similar to the elemental Hyper Beams. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 07:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, and Hydro Cannon again ==

In Generation III, since Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise are the only ones who could learn those techniques, they are considered signature moves in that sense yes? So shouldn't they be added to the list and mentioned on the respective moves articles?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 05:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take it. [[Move tutor]]?--[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|<span style="color:blue">ekrom</span>]] 10:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::They were only the only ones to learn those moves until [[Pokemon XD]] came out, which is still third-gen. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 10:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm... Prior to XD? Hahaha...--[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|<span style="color:blue">ekrom</span>]] 07:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I think it's better not to take XD in consideration, because that game has distributed multiple signature moves, like Psycho Boost or Extrasensory. So I would say prior to generation IV--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 10:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== "prior to gen ..." signature moves ==

If, according to te article, Signature moves are by definition only learned by either a single Pokémon or a small group of Pokémon, then a lot of the moves listed that say they were signature moves prior to a certain generation were still signature moves, (in cases such as extemespeed, for at least until the generation after) as the definition in no way implies that the pokémon that can learn it have to be related by evolution it just states either that the move can be learned only as a level up move and even then, only by a small number of Pokémon or that the move can only be learned by level up by a small number of pokémon (in which case almost all, if not all are still signature moves). because even though the way the definition is phrased it can be rephrased either way it most certainly can't be rephrased both ways because they are different from meanings from eachother but are synonyms to different definitions of the phrase that defines signature moves. [[User:Juarmo|Juarmo]] 05:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Ultimate Starter Type Moves==
techinically, the elemental hyper beams would be no less signature moves of the gen 1 starter evolutions in gen 3 than deoxys and its psycho boost (as purified shadow Lugia knew it). In fact, probably less of one as you catch the Lugia but you recieve the XD Jhoto starters from an event (albeit an in game one but still) also if Oddish and Glooms signature that ceased to be a signature by Gen 2 is on the list shouldn't arcanine and his extremespeed be on the list too. if i remember correctly dragon's den dratini didn't count towards extremespeed not still being arcanine's signature move in gen 2 so why should the XD Jhoto starters they're both in game events. [[User:Juarmo|Juarmo]] 23:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Signature Moves ==
I think it should be noted that {{m|Shadow Bolt}}, {{m|Shadow Chill}}, {{m|Shadow Fire}} and {{m|Shadow Blast}} are {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Moltres}} and [[Shadow Lugia]] Signature Moves in Pokémon XD. --[[User:Crikko|'''★'''<span style="color:#6699FF;">'''Cri'''</span>'''ққ'''<span style="color:#6699FF;">'''ѳ~'''</span>'''*''']] 16:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Clamp was another one of the Shellder line's signature moves... ==

...Until Gen III that is. Could somebody add this? - [[User:050294|050294]] 01:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Another idea ==

I had an idea for a new column. I would like to mention what kind of signature move they are. 
*Exclusive means: Only available to the poke himself, or the evolutionary line of that poke.
*Limited means: A few other pokes can learn it as well by leveling up or by breeding.
*LU exclusive means: The move is exclusive to a certain poke line by leveling up, but several other pokes can learn it by breading or tutoring.
*Common means: The move is now available to a plenty of pokes. Only mentioned if the move used to be exclusive.
*N/A means: it didn't exist that gen.


{| class="bluetable c sortable" border="1" cellpadding="2" align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]]
! 
! Name
! Move
! Gen I
! Gen II
! Gen III
! Gen IV
! Gen V
|-
| 015
| {{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{P|Beedrill}}
| {{M|Twineedle}} 
| Exclusive <br> Lv. 20
| Exclusive <br> lv. 20
| Exclusive <br> lv. 20
| Exclusive <br> lv. 16
| Limited <br> lv. 16
|-
|}
--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 10:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Limited would not be implemented; signature move means it is limited to an individual or family, so those are former signature moves. Level up exclusive is possible, but I don't think it should be implemented. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Levels ==

It's not clear from which game the levels are. I also don't see the point of noting the levels.
--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 10:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

== Victini ==

for the 14th Movie it was said that an event Victini would be given out have the move V-Generate and Ball of Fire, as V-Generate is currently a move only an event Victini can know, should it be put in the 'one-off signature moves' section? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 15:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== My definition of 'Signature Move' ==

I say the definition should be "A move that a Pokémon is best known for." As a result, this means that a move that is common can be the signature move of another Pokémon (for example, Rollout can be learned by several different kinds of Pokémon, but Geodude's evolutionary family may have it as their signature move, because Graveler is said to use it often down mountains in Firered's description of it). Another example is Psycho Cut - Gallade would most likely have the attack as its signature move had this description of signature move been used. --[[User:Psyblade|Psyblade]] 18:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:I think it's a very good point, however, Pokédex entries sometimes state misleading facts, such as Dusclops learning {{m|Hypnosis}}, which it actually can't. So, although a good definition of "signature move", I don't think it's good enough to point Pokédex entries in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 23:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


==Trivia?==
The trivia says, that Vespiquen is the only Pokémon with 3 signature moves, while the same is true for Kyurem (as the table says). Shouldn't it be edited? --[[User:KingisNitro|KingisNitro]] 08:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, because Kyurem can't actually learn Ice Burn or Freeze Shock. They are speculated to be its signature moves. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:58, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Cubone and Marowak==
Both of these are only listed under Former Signature Moves, however both have two current signature moves. Bone Rush, out. Bone Club and Bonemerang, good. So why aren't Cubone and Marowak under the current signature moves? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 01:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

== Current definition is SERIOUSLY flawed! ==

The current definition of signature move here is '''seriously''' flawed.  The definition should be the move the Pokémon is most known for, not any random move that is exclusive to it.  While at times moves that a Pokémon is most known for may also be exclusive to it (such as Smeargle's Sketch), that is not always the case.  For example, even though Charizard was the only Pokémon able to learn Blast Burn prior to XD, Charizard is never shown using it in any Pokémon media; usually Charizard is shown using Flamethrower, and in the anime, Seismic Toss.  Furthermore, Charizard is a Gen I Pokémon, and it is absurd to say that a Gen III move is its signature move, considering Charizard predates Gen III.

I really think the definition should be corrected here. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 00:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it's flawed at all. A signature move exclusive to that Pokémon. Meaning that the move can only be learned by that Pokémon. While Rollout is well know for a Miltank for example that doesn't make it a signature move. Sketch is a signature move because only one Pokémon can learn it and that is Smergle. This was discussed before. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 00:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

:Random move? How is it a random move when it's '''a move that can only be learned by a single Pokémon or its family'''? Just because a certain move is showed off more by a certain Pokémon does not mean it's its signature. Signature refers to a Pokémon's exclusive move which means it can only be learned by a certain Pokémon or at a certain time.

:Your definition seems to be judged by what you have seen in the anime which is biased to all other media. All things should relate to the game which are used universally. Might as well say BubbleBeam is Piplup's signature move and Thunderbolt is Pikachu's. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 00:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::What about Ditto's Transform, which is obviously Ditto's signature move because it is Ditto's ONLY move, despite the fact that Mew can learn Transform as well?  The fact is, Charizard is never shown using Blast Burn in the anime or any other Pokémon media besides the main games.  Also, consider that Blast Burn is a tutored move, not a level-up move. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 00:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::Plus, SSB confirms Flamethrower as Charizard's signature move. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 00:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

:::Leveling up has nothing to do with it. Volt Tackle is an egg move that is bred on to Pichu. There's also Meloetta who can only learn its signature move through tutoring. And again, the amount of times the move is shown in the anime has nothing to do with it. In the defense of Transform, Mew has the capability of learning every move through the move tutor in XD from Generation III and below. Though I'll give you that Mew can learn that one by level up. Not to mention that it's Ditto's only move. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 01:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Also, SSB is not a true Pokémon game to be taking sources from... It's Charizard signature move in that game, not in the Pokémon games. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 01:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::So, could you tell me what was Charizard's signature move in Gens I and II? The definition of the word "signature" does not mean "exclusive", it means what the Pokémon is most notable for. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 06:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Another example: Take a look at Vaporeon and Jolteon.  Obviously their signature moves are Acid Armor and Pin Missile, respectively, as confirmed by their Pokédex entries.  However, even in Gen I, Grimer and Muk were able to learn Acid Armor as well, and Beedrill was able to learn Pin Missile. If those aren't Vaporeon's and Jolteon's signature moves, I don't know what else can be. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 06:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::See... the thing is Flamethrower can be other Pokémon's most known move. Every single Fire-type can learn it in some way. It's not so signature when so many other Pokémon can use it too. 

:::::None of Vaporeon's and Jolteon's Pokédex entries say that Acid Armor and Pin Missile are their signature moves. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::While they don't mention the moves by name, they mention that Vaporeon can melt into water, and that Jolteon can raise its fur to pierce foes. That implies Acid Armor and Pin Missile, respectively. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 15:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I think you're not understanding here. Not all Pokémon have signature moves. A signature move is a move only that Pokémon or it's family can learn. Examples: Meowth {{m|Pay Day}} Chansey and Blissy {{m|Softboiled}}, The Porygon family {{m|Conversion}} and {{m|Conversion 2}}. This is what a signature move is. Your argument is incorrect. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 15:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:No, that is your own interpretation of a signature move, which is clearly defective for the reasons I gave above. Unless we find an official source confirming your interpretation is correct, it is nothing but a fan implication. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 18:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)