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You can't just simply multiply everything together. Modifiers have to be chained which leads to discrepancies in damage. The underlying reason we debug'd for was to get the exact output the game would for faithful interpretation of battles :) All that was wrong with the old trivia was that it was using Me First and an extra Helping Hand (1.5 * 1.5 = 2.25); 481,000,000/2.25 ~ 213,000,000. Not sure if the chaining method results in a similar difference. I'm pretty sure your train of thought and modifiers being used are correct; if you calculate it out using the method described on the article (rather than using the DPPt approximation) then you should have the actual number. Feel free to add/change it... I'm just lazy. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 05:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC) | You can't just simply multiply everything together. Modifiers have to be chained which leads to discrepancies in damage. The underlying reason we debug'd for was to get the exact output the game would for faithful interpretation of battles :) All that was wrong with the old trivia was that it was using Me First and an extra Helping Hand (1.5 * 1.5 = 2.25); 481,000,000/2.25 ~ 213,000,000. Not sure if the chaining method results in a similar difference. I'm pretty sure your train of thought and modifiers being used are correct; if you calculate it out using the method described on the article (rather than using the DPPt approximation) then you should have the actual number. Feel free to add/change it... I'm just lazy. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 05:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
:According to [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3267995&postcount=1909 this post] on Smogon, Helping Hand stacks in Triple Battles. If we add the extra Helping Hand, the damage becomes 320,844,024. I think that observed results should override the theoretical analysis, and will probably change the number unless you can find evidence that contradicts this. [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann|talk]]) 01:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC) | :According to [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3267995&postcount=1909 this post] on Smogon, Helping Hand stacks in Triple Battles. If we add the extra Helping Hand, the damage becomes 320,844,024. I think that observed results should override the theoretical analysis, and will probably change the number unless you can find evidence that contradicts this. [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann|talk]]) 01:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Posted in 2011. We explicitly checked ourselves; the way the trigger works (as described in the article) is "If user has been the target of Helping Hand this turn", chainmod 0x1800. (~ *1.5). It's evaluated by a "has been helped" check. When Helping Hand is used on a target, it will set a flag for the user that it "has been helped". [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 19:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC) | |||