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==Red's Age==
He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both [[Red (Special)|Red]] and [[Ruby (Special)|Ruby]] started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in [[Pokémon Special]], but besides that, I think it might be confused. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]<sub>[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]</sub> 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

[[Pokémon Red and Blue]] take place at the same time as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.--[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

dont bring up old discussions...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC))

==Optional Names Table==
I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page.  There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--[[user:Shaddow Boy|Shaddow Boy]] 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]<sub>[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]</sub> 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==When Red became a Pokemon Master==
Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is.  Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY.  The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold.  I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: [[Pokémon Master]].  I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one."  Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle.  Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

Actually, if what I read/heard was correct, Red would still kinda be the Champion. Champion is the title given to someone who has beaten the previous Champion of that League. Which Red did. It could be that Blue/Lance (don't know which one, never finished SoulSilver) took over as Champion since Red "left his post" and went to train (who knows what he was doing) up there. I don't think Red was ever beaten but, instead was counted as quitting. Thus someone had to be an immediate Champion in his place. And no one is better for the job than the strongest Kanto Leader (Blue) or the next-door neighbor Champion (Lance). That's just my theory though. [[User:JessiPlatinum|JessiPlatinum]] ([[User talk:JessiPlatinum|talk]]) 03:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

==Yellow==
Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?


==SSB==
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html 
Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel.  Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series.  While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet.  Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy
:Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

:Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
:::Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version.  Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series.  It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet.  Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess.  Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways.  Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function.  In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks.  Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards.  For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

==PBR Trailer==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8
Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists.  Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy


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I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Stop! ==

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from [[Pokémon Yellow]] (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.
* Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
* Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
* Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
* Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
* Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
* Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Voice in Brawl? ==

Okay... hearing it, I'm ''thinking'' it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]Fire echy''' 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Got a question ==

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!
::Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--'''{{wp|Wikipedia|Wiki}}'''[[User:Tomas|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''Tomas'''</span>]] 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does. [[Image:Ani330MS.png]][[User:LightningKimba]]|<span style="color:orange">L</span><span style="color:purple">K</span>][[Image:Ani330MS.png]] 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)}}

: There is no V.S Sprite for Red, When encountered a mosaic of a pokéball appears. But There is probably a fan-made version floating around the internet somewere. But Take it from me, I have encountered him numerous times. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 09:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==counterparts==
alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't ''based on'' anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|<font color="#d8da2f";>'''electAbuzzzz'''</font>]] <sup>''([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])''</sup> 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::That is correct.  The games came first, ''then'' the anime.  The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#003366" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#008000" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#800000">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin  James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?
--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION==
This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.
::''When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. '''This is a reference''' to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.''
...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be '''the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception''', but that too happens to be ''my'' assumption.
:Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it '''is''' a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering ''you'' were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

:::But the second part does '''not'''. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you?  Just thought I'd let you know. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sup>❄</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sub>❅</sub></span>]]</span> 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How should i know he was bannned?... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). [[User: Tc26|'''<span style="color:#0000ff;">tc</span>''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''<span style="color:#2929fb;">2</span>''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''<span style="color:#4b4bf8;">6</span>''']] 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)



== Eye color ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Red in GSC being based off of Ash? ==

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash."
The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of [[Ash]]. It was based off of {{special|Red}}, from the Pokemon Adventures manga.
Red's team in GSC is {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Espeon}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, and {{p|Blastoise}}.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard.
Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking {{rt|16}} isn't there, but the one blocking {{rt|11}} has moved somewhat). '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now.  Seems like a blatant reference to me.  However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash.  However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
::Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== The article image.. ==

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it ''was'' pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
::Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#B69E00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#E1E1E1"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Espeon ==

I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it. 

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee? 

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.) 

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

::Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga.  He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sup>❄</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sub>❅</sub></span>]]</span> 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Meganium and Jolteon? ==
In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Stadium 2 round 1 team.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red? ==

Where did all the art come from, anyway?  [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides.  It did not, thus he does not have any.  Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sup>❄</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sub>❅</sub></span>]]</span> 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
==Withdraw VS Rapin Spin==
:you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--[[User:Lambie|<span style="color:#FF0080">Lam</span>]][[User_talk:Lambie|<span style="color:#00FFFF">bie</span>]] 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

: Uhm, You may want to Put this question under that brawl page's Discussion page, As you never mentioned Red in that question and This is not Squirtles talk page. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 09:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite...? ==

...But... Red doesn't ''have'' a challenge sprite... [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Limit on battles? ==

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]]  [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Umm... it is... "''He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles.''" [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hurts self* Oops. [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::See it now? Fail... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, ''The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day.'' As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]]  [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:green">ポケモン</span></b>]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:blue">あいこうか</span></b>]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Money received ==

We should get info on when the player receives {{PDollar}}7700 or {{PDollar}}15400 in Gen II and {{PDollar}}16800 or {{PDollar}}33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) [[User:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:green">ポケモン</span></b>]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:blue">あいこうか</span></b>]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. [[User:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:green">ポケモン</span></b>]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:blue">あいこうか</span></b>]] 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. [[User:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:green">ポケモン</span></b>]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:blue">あいこうか</span></b>]] 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== In trivia... ==

The link to Mother is linked to Wikpedia. Can someone please change it to the Earthbound Wiki? I'd do it myself but I don't know how. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 00:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Done. The name of the Earthbound wiki is WikiBound, so the interwiki prefix is wb. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

== Brawl information ==

Shouldn't they be moved to a separate article? It seems to me that it takes too much space, and it's still kind of incomplete. Wouldn't it be better if it was mentioned on the article with some basic-sense information and additionally analyzed (especially from its Brawl-perspective) on a separate article? --[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia Worthy? ==

In his original design in RGBY, it looks like he has a leaf on his hat. Could that have been forshadowing of LeafGreen? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 20:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:No. The game wouldn't come out for almost ten years then [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

== Ruby & Sapphire and Emerald ==

Apparently [http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/pokeem/sheet/8328 Red and Blue have sprites for this games]. Can someone confirm if they are really official? And if it turns out they are, should they be added to the article? [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 11:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:They're real. Just wrongly ripped, the colors are messed up. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

==LIZARDON Vs. PIJOTTO==
The other day on Bulbagarden Archives, I, being a fan of Red, decided to look at Ken Sugimori's Red artwork. But, interestingly, I found a picture with Red flying on Pidgeot with Blue in the background riding on Charizard. Shouldn't that be added to the artwork section?{{unsigned|JacobTheDoduo}}

== Proposal ==

Should we move all the trivia here related to Red's appearance as Pokémon Trainer in SSBB to his actual [[Pokémon Trainer (Super Smash Bros.)|SSBB page]]? It just seems more appropriate there (though I have no comment myself on the content of the trivia itself). [[User:Haxorus|<span style="color:#968428">'''Hax'''</span>]][[User talk:Haxorus|<span style="color:#4C4646">'''or'''</span>]][[Special:MyContributions|<span style="color:#800517">'''us'''</span>]] 15:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Appearance Trivia ==

"Red, along with Blue and Professor Oak, appears in all generations so far either as an NPC or as a playable character, except for Generation V." This actually applies to a lot more characters than just these three with characters like Brock, Bill and even Red's Mother being NPCs in all generations. Is it needed to be mentioned here really? [[User:Wexdarn|Wexdarn]] 19:34, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

: Red and blue have both Appeared in all Generations but I don't think that it's that notable--[[User:Hydra3dragon|$%$HYDRA3DRAGON$%$]] ([[User talk:Hydra3dragon|talk]]) 06:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)☆

== Quotes ==

Does anybody have the exact quotes for Red in GSCHGSS? I think they would be useful... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:All he says is "..." and that's it. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 02:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::So he "speaks" Before battle (GSCHGSSB2W2), During battle (HGSSB2W2?), When defeated (HGSSB2W2?), After being defeated (GSCHGSSb2W2?) My main question is ''when'' and ''how many''. I read if the Time Capsule was used he'd say "......" when first encountered instead of "...". Who thought an ellipsis would be so confusing... -[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

== Red's age. ==

Okay, so as far as I know that was in manual for Red and Blue... that was also in Japanese manual, right? (or in Japanese only, or in English only?) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
:It's definitely [http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5047/62366721.jpg in the English manual]. I can't find scans of the Japanese manual online (nor do I own it), so I can't say anything about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
:: The European manual actually says 10-years old. [http://i2.minus.com/jMUXhWLVIbKcA.JPG Here] is a shot. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 13:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
::: [http://pokemondungeon.net/gallery/albums/manuals/RB/03.jpg here's a scan of a manual saying 10 years old]. I'm not sure if it's European or not. I still have my manual kicking about somewhere and I'm British so I'll double check that. An edit definitely needs to be made though to show this discrepancy -[[User:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#68E0D0">Stars</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#187868">talk</font></sub>]]  00:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:::: This NEEDS to be addressed. I'll do it myself, though it won't look pretty, if nobody else can be bothered. -[[User:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#68E0D0">Stars</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#187868">talk</font></sub>]]  20:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
::::: So I found my old manual and checked, but yes, at least for the PAL releases Red was 10 years old. I changed this page to reflect this info though it looks messy and I don't know the kind of guidelines for that info this wiki uses, but that's what happens when I'm ignored for over a year. If anyone would like further proof beyond the scans provided above I'll photograph my old manual for them. -[[User:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#68E0D0">Stars</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:From Beyond the Stars|<font color ="#187868">talk</font></sub>]]  00:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

== Originally called Satoshi ==

Adding this to trivia: http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blogs/11139/reds-beta-name-pocket-monsters-2-gold-silver-kanto-state-58926/

Before the release of Gold and Silver, Game Freak teased that "Satoshi" (obviously Red at that point), Dr. Orchid, and Sakaki were to make appearances in Gold and Silver. This shows that they originally planned on naming him after Satoshi Tajiri or mirror his anime counterpart before settling on the version name instead. [[User:Fang-tan|Fang-tan]] ([[User talk:Fang-tan|talk]])
== Pocket Monsters Origin Special ==

Should we mention the Anime Special on the page? It will be Red's story in the special after all. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] ([[User talk:Pokemon26|talk]]) 18:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:* Maybe, but I'm guessing it would be best to wait a little bit, in case more info is revealed. There is a mention of the Animation Special under "game animation" above "anime counterpart debut" so that should be enough for now I'm guessing. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 16:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y ==

* Could Pokémon X and Y reference Red's HG/SS team , since all the Pokémon on his team (or their first evolutions) must be encountered for certain events to happen in Pokémon X and Y. Pikachu must be caught for Shauna to acknowledge that the player has caught one, Snorlax must be encountered in order to progress in the game, either Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle must be chosen from Professor Sycamore in order to progress in the game, and Lapras must be obtained to surf on a Lapras in the overworld. This makes all these Pokémon easy to obtain. Am I thinking too deeply into this, or am I onto something?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 23:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Canon Issues regarding the remakes of RBY ==

Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green are newer games, meaning that they should replace canon set by previous games. Some argue that this is not true as you can only recreate Red's team from GSC and HGSS in Pokemon Yellow as this is the only game you can get all three starters, but this is false. Red's team in those games are based off of in-game event Pokemon obtained in his games. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise represent the four possible starter Pokemon in the games while Snorlax, Espeon and Lapras are simply in-game event pokemon that almost everyone obtains(excluding espeon as it is a gen 2 Pokemon but you get an Eevee nonetheless.)This team is selected so that any choice of starter you can choose in the games can technically be considered canonical. You can also obtain all of these Pokemon in the remakes of red and blue through trading. For these reasoning, the remakes of the original games should be considered canon and not Pokemon Yellow. {{Unsigned|Breadfrenzy|07:27, 5 January 2014}}
:If Yellow supercedes RB, and FRLG are just remakes of RB (I don't care that updates were added to the overall game; the story is essentially the same), then Yellow still supercedes FRLG as well. That's ''supposing'' Yellow ever superceded RB. I'd probably consider Yellow alternate-universe in the first place, since it has Jessie and James. I'm thinking it's a dumb argument, though. Just make two sections for his background for all I care. Problem solved. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
::There's not really a reason to have this much information about the games' plot on Red's page in the first place; it should have two sections like how we have the newer player character articles: one section for as the player (RBY/FRLG) and another for NPC (GSC/HGSS). The "as player" section should have the basic plot with any differences between versions noted, with the NPC section containing only what we know about the character as an NPC (foiled Team Rocket, is Blue's rival, was the Champion and other things mentioned in GSC/HGSS). Seeing as we can't tell which version is "more canon", it's better if we only put down what we know: that the player character can do all the things in whichever version, but the NPC did certain things that are noted within the games. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:::I agree that we should edit the page to have both a "as the player" section and a "as an NPC" section. The player section should go into less detail of the plot of the games only focusing on important events and facts that occur in all of the games. Information from only Yellow shouldn't be mentioned( such as Jessie and James) as it is subjective to only one of the games and the summary should be able to apply to each game. I also agree that Yellow should be considered a possible alternate universe, just not as the main canon. [[User:Breadfrenzy|Breadfrenzy]] ([[User talk:Breadfrenzy|talk]]) 19:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
::::No, Yellow's minor differences don't need mentioning. The only thing I can think that should be in the section is that Pikachu is the starter and Blue's is Eevee. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 20:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::When talking about Red and Blue's starter Pokemon, it should only mention Pikachu and Eevee as a possible starter Pokemon. The same should be done with the three original starters. All of this is the player's choice so their is technically no solid canon outlining this subject. [[User:Breadfrenzy|Breadfrenzy]] ([[User talk:Breadfrenzy|talk]]) 21:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::I might recommend thinking about using the {{template|tt}} template or the {{Template|Sup/1}} and {{Template|Sup/3}} templates in a few locations to mention the differences if needed.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I would prefer the use of the "Sup" templates, I think that would work nicely and then we can present both situations (RGB/FRLG and then Y) side-by-side. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 02:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

== Suicune And Stadium 2 Portrait ==

I was reading on the page on an iphone, and I noticed that Red's Stad2 Portrait And Suicune's Sprite Were Switched. Can Someone Fix That?{{unsigned|Fireflower30}}

== Completing the Pokédex? ==

When I was reading Red's biography, I notice it mentions that Red went and captured the four legendaries available and thus completed the Pokédex. I have to say where did the info came from, since I did not encounter any references that Red caught all 150 Pokémon in other games.  The closest is Origins, but that is an adaptation of the original games. If this is because the player can technically do it, then does that apply to the other protagonists of the main games? [[User:Shadao|Shadao]] ([[User talk:Shadao|talk]]) 20:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)