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+== Anime ==
 Shouldn't this be merged into [[Anime move errors]]? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">electAbuzz</span>''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">zz</span>''']] 16:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 :Well it's not like they're errors exactly, just moves that you can't use in the games. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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 The article seems to have grown way too large for further edits. I'm thinking of seperating TCG series into their own seperate pages, or at least the Diamond/Pearl section for further edits. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 08:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
+* I'll likely give EX Series its own subsection since we need to add the several promotional decks of that era. Is there any problems? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 20:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
+== On cards with no numbers... ==
+I don't know how to link them. Can somebody handle them? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 16:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
+:Done~ [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#AB2813"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#00A000"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 20:42, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
+== On TCG TM moves and move repeats... ==
+I haven't checked them, but since all decks only contain Pokémon cards, there might be missing TM moves that needs to be listed here. In addition, there are likely several repeats due to different energies they used as opposed to their debut, which likely need to be get rid of. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 10:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
+== On deletion... ==
+Has a consensus been reached? I won't be doing further additions unless a consensus on deleting or not deleting is reached(and if we are keeping the page, we should probably remove the current description for incomplete since EX Series is complete). [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 11:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
+:I find this page has some use, the pages just simply are not enough, but I DO think the TCG sections should be removed. --Odieboy's are very nutritional for your health. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:OdieboyDuck | Come and sit by the fire and talk to me!]  21:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
+::What exactly do you mean by the pages not being enough? The moves improvised section of [[Ash's Pikachu]] already serves the function of this page better than the page itself and the Smash Bros and manga examples are so few that they wouldn't be difficult to put on their users' pages. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 22:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
+:::I'm for keeping the section. Sure, it doesn't have a functional purpose, but neither do the manga and anime sections (or some other pages on the site), and it has some interesting information that people have worked hard to put together. If you're going to delete the TCG section, you may as well delete the whole page, because it all essentially serves the same purpose. [[User:RetroKitty|RetroKitty]] ([[User talk:RetroKitty|talk]]) 22:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
+::::Essentially, our plan is to present the information in a less destructive way. The amount of information trying to be shoved onto the pages for TCG is unhealthy, and as a solution, we're exploring other options to present all the information on this page. It's not disappearing. It's simply not being utilized in the same fashion as it is now. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 12:57, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
+:I registered on this site to tell you to not delete this page. I came here as part of researching ideas for new Pokemon moves. I want to look at what ideas other people came up with for moves not taken from the GameFreak games. I was afraid I was going to have to look at the page of every Pokemon card to figure this out. I'm not expecting this list to be complete or up to date, but don't remove the work you've already done. I really don't like the idea of people deciding what is or isn't useful information. Give me all of the information and let me decide what I want to use. People can tell the difference between pages that are curated summaries of a concept versus pages that are just info dumps. This is a page you go to for more details and to use as a reference. I don't want any information withheld here.  [[User:Box65535|Box65535]] ([[User talk:Box65535|talk]]) 16:38, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
+== TCG moves? Anime-exclusive moves? Anyone? ==
+Instead of a total deletion, it should be split down into Anime-exclusive, TCG moves, and the like! Its all moves in Pokémon, for crying out loud....
+TCG-exclusive Moves with proper TCG categories... Granted this page is in need of heavy cleanup, but much like a deck of Pokémon cards, or a botched playthrough... If we wipe this page, we wipe all prprogressogress! If you're going to write another book like the first, wait until the rough draft is no longer needed. Don't burn the roughs! And we're the sort of people who absolutely loathe losing our work, for pete's sake.
+[[User:AmbipomContestant|AmbipomContestant]] ([[User talk:AmbipomContestant|talk]]) 15:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
+== Spread out the info? ==
+We all know that no Bulbapedia viewer is just going to scroll through hundreds of lines of random moves that are all grouped together just because they aren't in the games, nor would anyone necessarily use this page for reference. I think this info would be more likely to be useful if we spread it out to the articles of the Pokemon themselves, under the trivia section. I understand this would take forever, so it may be a bad idea. However, having these moves be impossible to find in all of Bulbapedia other than the cards themselves is something I think unacceptable, so I would discourage a deletion. [[User:Go Rhyperior|Go Rhyperior]] ([[User talk:Go Rhyperior|talk]]) 04:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
+== Seperating/Moving ==
+Should we move the TCG section to its own separate subpage? Does it deserve its own page with how large it has become? [[Moves not in the Pokémon games/In the TCG]]?
+Is there a vote that needs to be taken or something? If so, I vote that we put under a new subpage. To be honest, I just want this issue to be resolved. If it's already been resolved, then why are the Porygon2 or Pigeot templates still there?[[User:ThunderBrine|ThunderBrine]] ([[User talk:ThunderBrine|talk]]) 17:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
+== Broken collapsible tables ==
+Is there a reason the tables on the subpages for TCG moves (like Original Series) become non-collapsible when reloading, even though they work fine on first load? Is this just a problem all collapsible tables have with no known fix? {{unsigned|Kevorama0205}}
+:Some sort of Javascript error in certain browsers. Hopefully will be fixed when we update our software soon. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
+==Should this be deleted?==
+I believe it should. The anime section consists only of improvised moves, Smash Bros. info probably belongs on SmashWiki, and the TCG section is just an infinite list of move names. Who's with me? [[User:GalarChamp Cinderace|GalarChamp Cinderace]] ([[User talk:GalarChamp Cinderace|talk]]) 17:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+:No, it shouldn't be deleted. That's way too much info to trash. I get where you're coming from, but all of it is relevant to this wiki as it all has to do with Pokemon. Just because it's tied to a different canon than the mainline games or connected to another Nintendo franchise is irrelevant. As for the TCG moves, I am confused by your complaint. What would you expect from a page about listing moves? How else should the moves be referenced? Besides, isn't it more than a bit disingenuous to say that it's ''only'' an infinite list of move names? It is a neatly organized and collapsed list of moves that has the full information available regarding the moves: Energy requirements, first Pokémon to get it, Damage, and Effect. That's kind of important information too, isn't it? When it comes to deleting (or even adding for that matter) pages to Bulbapedia, you should always ask "what value does this decision offer the project (Bulbapedia) or its users?" I found this page because I needed that list of Pokémon TCG-exclusive moves for a project I am working on. I didn't even consider the anime-exclusive, manga-exclusive, nor Smash-exclusive moves until after I found this page. Clearly others saw the need and value, hence why it was made and maintained. Look at the Talk Page... You're not the first person to raise this question. People were making your same arguments that you are since 2008... but consensus has been time and time again that we should keep the page. I get you are asking simply because you want to find a way to make your mark on Bulbapedia and get recognition, but this is not the way to do it. Having the moves that don't exist all in one page can serve as a valuable resource for all types of Pokémon fans. While you obviously mean well by trying to get rid of something you don't see the value in, you need to consider why this page has been around for 13+ years and what use it could offer people other than yourself. It'd be one thing if you wanted to get rid of some information, but this is way too much information for deletion to be even remotely considered a valid option. An alternative would be merging the sections to the appropriate pages. (Like the Anime-exclusives could be moved to the move-errors page under a separate section for example or the Smash Bros information could be moved to a section for their respective games.) But deleting the information should not be on the table. [[User:FlanneryVA|Flannery]] ([[User talk:FlanneryVA|talk]]) 06:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
+{{bp|Staff}} have decided to keep this page. It's a unique collection of these types of moves...but the TCG part ''is'' huge and fairly messy. We want to do something different with that part&mdash;but we're not really sure what at the moment. (And to be clear, that project is taking a back seat to many other things right now. If this interests you and it's been a while, ask in a new section here or bring it up directly with anyone on staff.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)