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After some debate about whether or not PP should matter, it was agreed upon that it wouldn't as long as it was within 5. This created a problem in Generation VI with variations of {{m|Strength}}. Strength has 15 PP, some of its variations have 20 PP, but {{m|Dazzling Gleam}} has 10 yet is similar enough in every other way to be rightly included. It only differs from the "base" move by 5; however it is in a different direction than the other variations. Excluding Dazzling Gleam would be as absurd as adding it but excluding {{m|Power Gem}} and {{m|Drill Peck}}. For this reason, I've added it, and strongly feel it should stay. (This issue may arise with other moves I haven't looked at yet, in which case I'll do the same thing). Some may point out that Dazzling Gleam differs in being able to affect multiple targets. However, this has never been an issue with variations, because {{m|Blizzard}} does the same thing. I see no reason not to include it. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 05:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | After some debate about whether or not PP should matter, it was agreed upon that it wouldn't as long as it was within 5. This created a problem in Generation VI with variations of {{m|Strength}}. Strength has 15 PP, some of its variations have 20 PP, but {{m|Dazzling Gleam}} has 10 yet is similar enough in every other way to be rightly included. It only differs from the "base" move by 5; however it is in a different direction than the other variations. Excluding Dazzling Gleam would be as absurd as adding it but excluding {{m|Power Gem}} and {{m|Drill Peck}}. For this reason, I've added it, and strongly feel it should stay. (This issue may arise with other moves I haven't looked at yet, in which case I'll do the same thing). Some may point out that Dazzling Gleam differs in being able to affect multiple targets. However, this has never been an issue with variations, because {{m|Blizzard}} does the same thing. I see no reason not to include it. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 05:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:Different targeting is supposed to preclude moves from being variations, but it seems variations ignoring targeting have crept in over time. Ideally they would all be weeded out... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC) | :Different targeting is supposed to preclude moves from being variations, but it seems variations ignoring targeting have crept in over time. Ideally they would all be weeded out... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::I disagree wholeheartedly. If we did that, we'd have to split Acid's variations into two groups: one for {{m|Acid}}, {{m|Bubble}}, and {{m|Powder Snow}} (which affect multiple targets), and one for {{m|Ember}} and {{m|Thunder Shock}} (which don't). {{m|Blizzard}} would also be removed from the list including {{m|Thunder}} and {{m|Hurricane}} (despite the moves being basically perfect examples of variations otherwise. I don't think it would make sense to do this, as these are all still variations in every other way. And targeting shouldn't be terribly relevant here, as it is irrelevant in single battles, which comprise an ''extreme'' majority of all in-game battles. Perhaps if there are only two moves in question and they have different targeting, it might make more sense. But when we're talking affecting the lists I mentioned (and probably several more), I think it's just a step too far. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 05:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC) | |||