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I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level. | I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level. | ||
[[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC) | [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Energy Dragons == | |||
Shouldn't the energy dragons be under mascot trios?--[[User:RegiRuler|<span style="color:gold">Regi</span>]][[User talk:RegiRuler|<span style="color:turqoise">Ruler</span>]] 11:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Is the third one a version mascot? No. So obviously no.--<span style="background:#000000;"><span style="color:#FFA500"><font face="Old English Text MT">''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|<span style="color:#FFA500">Sher</span>]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|<span style="color:#FFA500">Bengal</span>]]''</font></span>-</span> 11:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Not YET, I would say, but it is obvious, give it 2 years. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I think calling it uncategorised could confuse people who come to the page. While not all 3 of them are mascots it can be assumed that Kyurem will be the mascot for the 3rd version, though assumption isn't good enough to list it as so. However if Kyurem isn't the mascot then it would be listed as a normal trio which would confuse some who would think otherwise. I think the problem is that a Mascot trio hasn't been properly defined. Is it where all 3 members are mascots? In which has while Kyurem may be a mascot in the future for now it isn't and thus the Energy Dragons aren't (at the moment) as mascot trio. Is it where the majority (two thirds) are mascots? In which case even while Kyurem isn't a mascot the trio has enough mascot members to count as a mascot trio. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Trio Names == | |||
Any reason that the trio names are somewhat inconsistent? | |||
:'''We have:''' | |||
::*The Legendary Birds, Beasts, and Golems. | |||
::*Then the Lake Guardians. | |||
::*And then the Musketeer, Kami, Weather, Creation, Tao trio. | |||
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Clearly this is inconsistent, and I think some changes should and can be made. The Birds, Beasts, and Golems are fine. The term, "Lake Guardians", is canon. (in the anime) Musketeer trio seems a bit biased since they are NOT the musketeers, just BASED off the three Musketeers, however the name will work for now unless an official name is released, however I would prefer Legendary musketeers over Musketeer trio. Same goes for Kami trio, and if agreed upon, I think it should change to "Legendary kami" as well, considering they are all based off kami. Tao trio is.. awful. I don't think a trio should be named after an entire religion. If anything else, Balance trio would be better, but to be consistent, Balance dragons would work as well. | |||
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:'''This would leave us with:''' | |||
::*Legendary Birds. | |||
::*Legendary Beasts. | |||
::*Legendary Golems. | |||
::*Lake Guardians. | |||
::*Legendary Musketeers. | |||
::*Legendary Kami. | |||
::*Balance Trio or Balance Dragons. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Clearly, this is your preference. ...You also forgot the Weather trio and the Creation trio. What, okay, you'd make it the Creation dragons. Good luck on the Weather. | |||
:Their names have never been about "consistency". This is about '''what people call them''' collectively, and giving them something to be called under. Obviously none of these names are official by far (save the Lake trio's), but uniformity is silly. By the way, no one's probably going to get "Balance" since you need to understand what they're a balance of before you get why. Which is why Tao makes tons more sense...and it's hella shorter. And if you can make something shorter in this fandom, people will prefer it. ...You can't call them the "Legendary Kami", anyway. Kami as gods are legendary in their own right, so redundancy is redundant. ...You also argue that calling them Musketeers is biased, since they're based on them, not are them. Then "Kami" is biased, too, since they're based on gods, not are them. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::"Same goes for Kami trio", Yeah, I know that Kami is biased. Anyway, you make valid points. I still hate Tao Trio, [And the fact that people will pronounce it "Tay-oh" (rhymes with Mayo) when it is actually "Dow" (rhymes with Cow)] but I understand what you are saying. I wish they'd just give these trios canon names. :P --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
I've been using Dimension Trio for Dia/Pal/Gira since DP. Makes sense doesn't it? :/ Creation Trio is taking it too far. | |||
Unless we see another trio of dragons, Legendary Dragons is the simple solution (unlike the Dimension trio, these are actually referred to (all the time too) as dragons. Also note that their first types are Dragon, unlike the case for the Dimension trio which have it as the extra type.). --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Musketeers' status as a trio == | |||
While the Musketeers are currently listed as a quartet, the release of [[M15]] may change Keldeo's status from "unofficial quartet member" to "trio master" due to the other three appearing in the film as well. Speaking of which, why did we decide Keldeo was a normal member in the first place? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 00:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
The musketeers are not on here?? If it's because of Keldeo, how comes no one insisted on taking off the golems when Regigigas came around in DP I wonder... well because they're still a trio obviously. Same applies for the musketeers. Golems got a master, musketeers got an apprentice. These are not equal members of the group. | |||
Then there is the Weather and Kami trio. When there is 2 contrasting members, perfect counterparts in every possible way, but there is also a third similar pokemon but superior in several aspects.. does that really still count as a trio? Wouldn't that just make them a duo with a master? | |||
I'm just asking for consistency here. On one hand regis are a trio with a master but at the same time, the weather guys are a trio, | |||
when actually, both are made up of a smaller group and a master..... | |||
Also the Tao trio is rushed. Unless Kyurem turns into a proper third member (we know it has 2 formes but that doesn't help this case so far), it's actually the duos opposite. Reshiram and Zekrom are about energy, they have tails resembling a generator and torch, while Kyurem has nothing attached to it (well, imitations in formes soon) looking like a plug, and is covered in actual ice, which fits with it having no energy source. So we can only guess for now till June, but it seems really obvious that whatever happens to it, it won't suddenly become a true "legendary dragon of Unova", which is what the duo is called throughout the games. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
Know what? There should simply be a single page about groups of legendary pokemon...--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 10:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
: The Musketeers were on the page but were apparently dropped... by an Administrator, but with no explanation or (if this talk page is any indication) apparent consensus. Fourth member or no, I'd say the Musketeers are far more in line with the birds/beasts/golems/faeries than the Kamis are - as far as in-game roles go, the Kamis function far more like Lati@s with a third member. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 03:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Until we know more about Keldeo and its role in the group (which is most likely to be revealed in the movie), the [[Legendary Musketeers]] will stay put.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 03:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
::: I wasn't aware we made choices regarding concepts from the games based on content from the movies. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 01:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Couldn't agree more on your upper comment HeroicJay. If the musketeers are a quartet and the kamis are a trio, then the regis are a quartet by all means. Except that everyone knows they're a trio with a master. Might as well make the beasts and Ho-oh a quartet /sarcasm. The movie might as well tell us the musketeers are a quintet with Shuckle, but I don't think it would make a good amount of sense to classify them as such because of it... They don't design the pokemon, they don't choose their background and concepts and they make up loads of stuff for the anime that would never happen in the games.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 19:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
If you've seen the ingame event in BW that Keldeo triggers: | |||
"Long ago, a fire started in the Moor of Icirrus because of a war among people. In this fire, Keldeo was separated from its parents, but together, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion took care of Keldeo. They acted as its parents, and they taught it knowledge and moves for survival. '''Keldeo eventually grew and even surpassed the three Pokémon.''' One day, Keldeo took off from the forest with no one knowing why. | |||
When the three meet again, they teach Keldeo the move Secret Sword." | |||
Clearly it's not a normal member of the group. | |||
Plot-wise | |||
Concept-wise | |||
Special move | |||
Its an event pokemon for crying out loud.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 20:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Legendary group pages are a mess == | |||
I find it hard to believe that no one else thinks there's an embarrassing amount of inconsistency throughout pages like this one, trio masters, along with the individual group ones. | |||
Here's an attempt at the topic with an actual structure: {{u|Saiph charon|ignore the eeveelutions bit}}--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Kalos Trio soon to be... == | |||
Since only X and Y have come out, the Kalos trio has been placed under the Normal Legendary Trio category...at least until Z or whatever comes out. All members of the trio must be a mascot for their games before they get the honor of being called Mascot Legendary Trios. | |||
Also 'Kalos Trio' is only a place holder until the official name is adopted. From what I am seeing.... Ragnarok Trio, Yggdrasil Trio, Norse Trio, Circle of Life Trio or possibly Cartesian Trio are plausible candidates for this honor. | |||
Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games" | |||
So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio. | |||
Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Nouns or proper nouns == | |||
Are Legendary trio nouns or proper nouns, so prior to Generation VI, it was named legendary trio. --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
== "Mortality Trio" == | |||
I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page. | |||
Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
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! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}} | |||
|- | |||
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}} | |||
|- | |||
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}} | |||
|- | |||
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}} | |||
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}} | |||
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| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}} | |||
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}} | |||
|- | |||
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}} | |||
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}} | |||
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mortality trio}} | |||
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|} | |||