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== WTF? ==
== WTF? ==
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The non-uniques are:
The non-uniques are:
*Mew ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Mew ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Lugia ([[The Power of One]], [[Silver (Johto)|Silver]], and possibly Movie 13)
*Lugia ([[The Power of One]], [[Silver (Lugia)|Silver]], and possibly Movie 13)
*Regirock, Regice, Registeel ([[Brandon's Regis]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Regirock, Regice, Registeel ([[Brandon's Regis]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Regigigas ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] & [[DP129]])
*Regigigas ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] & [[DP129]])
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wha... not confi... of course freakin' bulbapedia.. [[User:Tditdatdwt|Tditdatdwt]] ([[User talk:Tditdatdwt|talk]]) 20:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
wha... not confi... of course freakin' bulbapedia.. [[User:Tditdatdwt|Tditdatdwt]] ([[User talk:Tditdatdwt|talk]]) 20:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
:There isn't any direct evidence- in game or in the anime (or the manga even)- to support Zygarde being part of a trio. Until there is evidence that point to it being part of the trio, then we'll move it. It's basically the same case with Giratina and Kyurem befor eit.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
:There isn't any direct evidence- in game or in the anime (or the manga even)- to support Zygarde being part of a trio. Until there is evidence that point to it being part of the trio, then we'll move it. It's basically the same case with Giratina and Kyurem befor eit.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Would you just stop those and start thinking widely?! Be open to ideas. First of all, as I' ll repeat, it's OBVIOUS. Secondly, these things work like postulates, need not to be proven. Why are we waiting for confirmation? What if Nintendo doesn't release anything that would help us consider Zygarde a part or apart of the trio? Hell, most of the legendary trios, duos or quartets' names are fanmade. If this does happen, Zygarde will spend its entire life not known and feeling lonely because its other trio members get all the fame. Want evidence? Here you go (though I know that you already know this.):
*Zygarde has a similar color scheme, yes, even the shiny form, with Xerneas and Yveltal.
*Zygarde has the same battle theme with Xerneas and Yveltal.
*Zygarde completes the trio of mythical animals from the tree of Yggdrasil. Xerneas being the deer, Yveltal being the avian predator, and Zygarde being the serpent. Did Bulbapedia have Zygarde's Origin section COINCINDENTALLY similar to the origins of Xerneas and Yveltal? Yep.
*Zygarde totally has involvement with the equilibrium of mortality (not morality) being the neutralizer or the being of balance.
*Zygarde's ability, Aura Break, would only be triggered if either one of the XY legends is brought out to be an opponent.
*Want more? Here:
::*The '''x-axis''' is usually depicted in <span style="color:#007FFF">'''blue'''</span>, and represents horizontal. Horizon is associated or maybe is land. Xerneas is blue, resides on land, and has "X" in it's name.
::*The '''y-axis''', on the other hand, is <span style="color:#FF2400">'''red'''</span>, and represents vertical, into the sky. Yveltal is red, is aerial, and has "Y" as its initial letter.
::*The '''z-axis''' is hued with <span style="color:#228B22">'''green'''</span>, and represents depth. Depth makes sense as Zygarde resides underground, deep in the earth. It is green and has "Z" as it's initial letter.
*'''The axis theory is referenced on an interview with Ken Sugimori. Sugimori was asked about the version mascots, and said that they were based on this. Though the two were the only ones involved with this speech, all of these ideas are perfectly applicable to Zygarde.'''
''Disclaimer: This is a personal perspective. An opinion. But true." Signing off, your trusted user,[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 11:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::I am not saying that it is not true, it is very obvious that Zygarde is related to Xerneas and Yveltal. What we need is the game to confirm it for us, directly. Meaning the game must say that the three are related, not just by color scheme or what not. It's the same reason Kyurem was not considered part of the Tao trio '''until''' B2/W2 were released. It's the same reason why Giratina was not considered part of the Dragon trio '''until''' Platinum was released. So have some patience.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:As stated elsewhere, Pokemon Rumble World adds legitimacy to the trio by giving achievements for catching each Legendary Mascot Trio in its entirety. The achievement Aura Traveller is gotten by catching Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde, and since it is an official game, albeit not a main one, it does lend some credence [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 03:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


== The Legendary Pokemon of the Kalos Region, 716-718 ==
== The Legendary Pokemon of the Kalos Region, 716-718 ==
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I just finished pokemon white 2 and shiny dragonite is green and super rare (before white 2) and has been around since the first games perhaps this is the final version of the green dragon? is this notable in the trivia? (I am tlaking about that last piece of trivia that mentions the green dragon and mew) [[User:Pokemonisawesome2|Pokemonisawesome2]] ([[User talk:Pokemonisawesome2|talk]]) 21:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I just finished pokemon white 2 and shiny dragonite is green and super rare (before white 2) and has been around since the first games perhaps this is the final version of the green dragon? is this notable in the trivia? (I am tlaking about that last piece of trivia that mentions the green dragon and mew) [[User:Pokemonisawesome2|Pokemonisawesome2]] ([[User talk:Pokemonisawesome2|talk]]) 21:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:It hasn't been since first games. There are no Shinies in Gen 1. Also, it's not {{tt|super rare|Wording like that is subjective, anyway.}}. It has the same chances as any other Shiny (which can be boosted in G2 and G4 onwards). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 21:48, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
oh yeah thats right failure on my part forgot that shinies arent in gen 1 plus I meant its super rare as in 1/8192 because its shiny shines are super rare but yeah i forgot shinies arent gen 1. I still think its an odd coincidence. {{unsigned|Pokemonisawesome2}}
== Awesome News about Legendary Pokemon were obtainable ==
I'm have a excellent news. The non-event Legendary Pokemon were obtainable in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. According to Serebii, non-event Legendary Pokémon are found on islands that can only be found through areas on the sky and is said to make it so all non-event Legendary Pokémon will be obtainable in Generation VI. You access the sky through the Eon Flute item. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 11:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
:This information is correct, but do note that Serebii is not a source that Bulbapedia uses. This information was provided in CoroCoro, with information from the translations able to be found on {{n|Mega Beedrill, Mega Pidgeot revealed|Bulbanews}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
*Oh, I'm getting it now. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 00:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
== Gen VI has a legendary trio ==
The current article states that Gen VI did not introduce a legendary trio. However, while Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde never feature in the story together, Zygarde's ability is clearly meant to interact with the two others (indeed, it ONLY interacts with those two), and in addition Zygarde follows the established theme of X-Y-Z, both in name and body type. Thus, while story-wise it does not interact with the other two (though if the pattern holds and we get Pokemon Z, it will), it makes sense logically to categorize the three of them together. [[User:Canopenerdude|/// I fight for the caaaans]] ([[User talk:Canopenerdude|talk]]) 21:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
:I agree with Canopenerdude. Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are as much a trio as the weather trio or the Tao trio, having two equal-but-opposite members (Groudon/Kyogre and Reshiram/Zekrom) and an internal trio master (Rayquaza and [sort of] Kyurem). They especially draw parallels with the weather trio, as the two equal members are constantly fighting and the third member exists to provide balance. [[User:ShermTank7272|ShermTank7272]] ([[User talk:ShermTank7272|talk]]) 20:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
::I should add that, while I don't have an official source on this, someone pointed out [http://greninja-sex-party.tumblr.com/post/115057783598/remember-when-being-a-legendary-pokemon-meant on tumblr] that Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde match, both thematically and in terms of appearance, Yggdrasil, Hraesvelgr and Niddhog from Norse mythology. [[User:-Alarielle-|-Alarielle-]] ([[User talk:-Alarielle-|talk]]) 23:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Please read previous discussions on this matter. We will wait until the game or anime explicitly states that they are related. This is the same thing we did with Giratina and Kyurem and their respective trios.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
== Proposed split ==
Due to the publicity claim that Generation VI as a whole contains all Legendary Pokémon, there was a debate as to whether this page should be moved to "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon" to satisfy this claim. The war has since been stopped by a move protection, but there is indeed a valid argument that mythicals aren't legendaries. I am personally '''against a split''', as we also have sources that place mythicals as a subset of legendaries, but I am still starting the discussion in case Bulbapedia as a whole feels otherwise. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:38, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:I do support this. I initially was the one who moved the page; it was then moved back to because it should be split instead, but it was never split or moved back, and now the fact that it was moved back, not split, AND prevented from being moved again means that the page title provides actual ''false information'' on the contents of the article, which are ''not'' only about Legendary Pokémon, but the separate group Mythical Pokémon. False information was kind of what I was trying to avoid by changing the article in the first place... I remain neutral on whether it should be split or moved, but I do still think that something has to be done (and I really don't think it makes sense for it to be moved back to ''something incorrect'' simply because another course of action ''that isn't even being taken'' '''would''' be superior...). [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 23:30, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
::<s>I '''strongly oppose''' a split. The ORAS website has a page about Mythical Pokémon in its Legendary Pokémon section, so it's officially considered a subcategory, not its own category. This means that all Mythical Pokémon are Legendary as well. It's like how a square is a rectangle. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 00:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</s>
:::That's a categorization issue rather than saying that Mythical Pokémon are Legendary Pokémon (prose should be given precedence over sitemaps). We already have evidence that demonstrates they are separate categories. Most notably, [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/more-legendary-pokemon-appearing-in-mirage-spots this page] makes it clear that Mythical Pokémon are not Legendary Pokémon with the statement "''With Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, every Legendary Pokémon discovered to date can be obtained!''" Additionally, [https://www.nintendo.co.za/Games/Nintendo-3DS/Super-Pokemon-Rumble-274930.html there] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/more-online-competitions-are-on-the-way/ are] [http://www.pokemonconquest.com/en-au/outline/densetsu official] [http://www.pokemonrumble.com/RumbleU/en_AU/game/game_05.html sources] that specify "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon", meaning that Mythical Pokémon are not Legendary Pokémon.
:::While this is a discussion about the English term, in Japanese material the term 「伝説・幻のポケモン」 ''Legendary • Mythical Pokémon'' is quite common. Additionally, on the [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/ ORAS Pokémon page], despite there being a "Legendary Pokémon" category, the Mythical Pokémon Deoxys is categorized under 「その他」 ''other''. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:35, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
::::It's not a massive piece of evidence towards it, though I should point out that Smash 3DS and Wii U were the most recent games to refer to the group as "Mythical and Legendary" Pokémon in the Tips, as well as the PAL description of the Master Ball. The PAL trophies for Mew, Keldeo and Shaymin also refer to the three of them as Mythical. The US version calls them Legendary, though it seems to not refer to Mythical Pokémon in general and also says "Onyx", so... - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 04:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::The fact that North American SSB Wii U counts mythicals as legendaries shouldn't be ignored because of a single typo. It is still an English-language source released after the start of Generation V, making it valid to the discussion. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 20:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:In the event that we do determine Mythical Pokémon to officially be a completely separate category, would a page move be required? Bulbapedia has used fan terms over official ones before, such as the whole [[effort values]] thing. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 20:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
== Mythical and Legendary classification with sources ==
{|class="wikitable sortable"
! #
!
! Pokémon
! Classification
! English source
! Japanese source
|-
| 144
| {{MSP|144|Articuno}}
| {{p|Articuno}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120702235051/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/1]
|
|-
| 145
| {{MSP|145|Zapdos}}
| {{p|Zapdos}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary_pokemon/]
|
|-
| 146
| {{MSP|146|Moltres}}
| {{p|Moltres}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary_pokemon/]
|
|-
| 150
| {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}
| {{p|Mewtwo}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083532/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/14]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/08/130812_m01.html]
|-
| 151
| {{MSP|151|Mew}}
| {{p|Mew}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083124/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/24]
|
|-
| 243
| {{MSP|243|Raikou}}
| {{p|Raikou}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120702235057/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/2]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 244
| {{MSP|244|Entei}}
| {{p|Entei}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/get-zoroark-2/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 245
| {{MSP|245|Suicune}}
| {{p|Suicune}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083634/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/40]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 249
| {{MSP|249|Lugia}}
| {{p|Lugia}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083241/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/30]
|
|-
| 250
| {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}
| {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083558/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/28]
|
|-
| 251
| {{MSP|251|Celebi}}
| {{p|Celebi}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083349/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/8]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/12/131218_g01.html]
|-
| 377
| {{MSP|377|Regirock}}
| {{p|Regirock}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/messages-left-in-hoenn]
|
|-
| 378
| {{MSP|378|Regice}}
| {{p|Regice}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083522/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/11]
|
|-
| 379
| {{MSP|379|Registeel}}
| {{p|Registeel}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/messages-left-in-hoenn]
|
|-
| 380
| {{MSP|380|Latias}}
| {{p|Latias}}
| Legendary
| [http://pokemon.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=1666&lang=en&region=United+Kingdom]
|
|-
| 381
| {{MSP|381|Latios}}
| {{p|Latios}}
| Legendary
| [http://pokemon.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=1666&lang=en&region=United+Kingdom]
|
|-
| 382
| {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}
| {{p|Kyogre}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-groudon-and-primal-kyogre]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/02.html]
|-
| 383
| {{MSP|383|Groudon}}
| {{p|Groudon}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083129/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/26]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/01.html]
|-
| 384
| {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}
| {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083256/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/36]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/29.html]
|-
| 385
| {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801075528/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/16]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/06/130615_g01.html]
|-
| 386
| {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083549/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/23]
|
|-
| 480
| {{MSP|480|Uxie}}
| {{p|Uxie}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083604/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/29]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 481
| {{MSP|481|Mesprit}}
| {{p|Mesprit}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/introducing-more-legendary-pokemon]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 482
| {{MSP|482|Azelf}}
| {{p|Azelf}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/introducing-more-legendary-pokemon]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 483
| {{MSP|483|Dialga}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083543/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/17]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 484
| {{MSP|484|Palkia}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083619/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/34]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 485
| {{MSP|485|Heatran}}
| {{p|Heatran}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083553/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/25]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/42.html]
|-
| 486
| {{MSP|486|Regigigas}}
| {{p|Regigigas}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/messages-left-in-hoenn]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/42.html]
|-
| 487
| {{MSP|487|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}}
| Legendary
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801075539/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/19]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 488
| {{MSP|488|Cresselia}}
| {{p|Cresselia}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/introducing-more-legendary-pokemon]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 489
| {{MSP|489|Phione}}
| {{p|Phione}}
| Mythical*
|
|
|-
| 490
| {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083609/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/31]
|
|-
| 491
| {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083527/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/12]
|
|-
| 492
| {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083119/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/20]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokescrap2014/howtoget/]
|-
| 493
| {{MSP|493|Arceus}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
| Mythical
| [http://web.archive.org/web/20120801083343/http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/vote/7]
|
|-
| 494
| {{MSP|494|Victini}}
| {{p|Victini}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/victini/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokescrap2014/howtoget/]
|-
| 638
| {{MSP|638|Cobalion}}
| {{p|Cobalion}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/introducing-more-legendary-pokemon]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 639
| {{MSP|639|Terrakion}}
| {{p|Terrakion}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/cobalion/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 640
| {{MSP|640|Virizion}}
| {{p|Virizion}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/virizion/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 641
| {{MSP|641|Tornadus}}
| {{p|Tornadus}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/tornadus/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 642
| {{MSP|642|Thundurus}}
| {{p|Thundurus}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/thundurus/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 643
| {{MSP|643|Reshiram}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/reshiram/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 644
| {{MSP|644|Zekrom}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/zekrom/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 645
| {{MSP|645|Landorus}}
| {{p|Landorus}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/#en-us/gameplay/dreamradar]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 646
| {{MSP|646|Kyurem}}
| {{p|Kyurem}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/kyurem/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/feature/41.html]
|-
| 647
| {{MSP|647|Keldeo}}
| {{p|Keldeo}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/#en-us/pokemon/keldeo/details-keldeo-distribution]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokescrap2014/howtoget/]
|-
| 648
| {{MSP|648|Meloetta}}
| {{p|Meloetta}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/#en-us/pokemon/meloetta/details-meloetta-distribution]
|
|-
| 649
| {{MSP|649|Genesect}}
| {{p|Genesect}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/#en-us/pokemon/genesect/details-more-on-mythical-genesect]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/04/130412_c02.html]
|-
| 716
| {{MSP|716|Xerneas}}
| {{p|Xerneas}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary_pokemon/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/pokemon/legend/]
|-
| 717
| {{MSP|717|Yveltal}}
| {{p|Yveltal}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary_pokemon/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/pokemon/legend/]
|-
| 718
| {{MSP|718|Zygarde}}
| {{p|Zygarde}}
| Legendary
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary_pokemon/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/pokemon/legend/]
|-
| 719
| {{MSP|719|Diancie}}
| {{p|Diancie}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/diancie/]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/diancie/present.html]
|-
| 720
| {{MSP|720|Hoopa}}
| {{p|Hoopa}}
| Mythical
| [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/hoopa]
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/45.html]
|}
--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 18:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
:The Deoxys one may be slightly outdated, as the term Mythical refers to all event-only Pokémon and Deoxys isn't event-only any more. Since that source is from ''before'' it lost its status as event-only, it may not be accurate. Do you happen to know of any more recent sources mentioning Deoxys? ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 21:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::Recent sources I checked never said Deoxys was either Legendary or Mythical. I do not believe it is possible to change categories, so I'm skeptical of the claim that Deoxys did (in the same way Lugia/Ho-Oh weren't Mythical Pokémon in Generation III). However, if there is a more recent source, it would be ideal to use that one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 22:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:::[[n:Deoxys distribution announced for May|Scroll down]]. The announcement for Plasma Deoxys (BW2) called it Mythical. It might not be considered "recent" anymore, though. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 16:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I should have defined what I meant when I said recent. I meant anything since Deoxys was announced to be available in ORAS. I had seen that B2W2 one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::We could have it listed as both Mythical and Legendary, with a [[template:tt]] note. I personally can't read this due to my school blocking it, but [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/deoxys this page] might say something. The URL seems to say that it's legendary, although that by itself should be taken with a grain of salt. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 16:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::The tab right above it says "[http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/change-two-mythical-pokemon Change Two Mythical Pokémon!]", so it certainly doesn't rule it out from being Mythical. I don't think we have confirmation that it is no longer Mythical though, so I would suggest continuing to label it as we know it at least used to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The "change two mythical Pokémon" section is about Keldeo's Resolute Forme and Shaymin's Sky Forme. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 00:18, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The point is that the section about Keldeo and Shaymin is listed under the Legendary Pokémon section, meaning it's impossible to conclude that Deoxys is Legendary from where its section is placed on the site.
::::::::Personally, I'm of the opinion that because of its placement on the Japanese ORAS site away from all the other Legendaries, it should be left as Mythical until we get some sort of evidence one way or the other for it. I highly doubt that we won't get more distributions for it in the future that will clarify this.- [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 04:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
In "Pikachu What's This Key?", Meowth refers to Manphy as Mythical, at least in the dub. Just bringing it up so that it can be used for English proof. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
== Simple list/Count ==
Hi! I´m new.
I just wanted to say that reading through all the page just to know every Pokémon classified as ''Legendary'', can be a bit tedious. So I wanted to suggest that we should place a list of every Legendary and Mythical Pokémon somewhere near the beginning of the page, something that lists all of this Pokémon before explaining each one.
Also, I wanted to know if someone could verify the amount of Legendaries, because I count 54 (with Phione), and the page says 53. [[User:PokéMaster234|PokéMaster234]] ([[User talk:PokéMaster234|talk]]) 23:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:I don't think a list is necessary. The page already has the info about the Legendary's, just grouped together. Also, Phione isn't counted as a legendary, neither on this wiki or officially.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
My point is that is wrong, saying that they are 52 (Without Phione), while there are 53. [[User:PokéMaster234|PokéMaster234]] ([[User talk:PokéMaster234|talk]]) 20:45, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:I counted 53 (without Phione).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
== Suggestion ==
Can I suggest that "Many of the stories regarding the legendaries were slightly chnged, or given a new perspective in the Remakes of Generation III, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Also 5 of them received new forms." Be edited to Many of the stories regarding the legendaries were slightly changed, or given a new perspective in the Remakes of Generation III, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, and 5 of them received new forms. [[User:LucasOne|LucasOne]] ([[User talk:LucasOne|talk]]) 02:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
== Location of Legendaries in the Pokedex ==
Should it not be said that most (if not all) Regional Pokedexes end with legendary Pokemon, and generally don't have any anywhere else? [[User:Flanl|Flanl]] ([[User talk:Flanl|talk]]) 15:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
== Is Hoopa from Kalos or Hoenn? ==
On this article, it says that Hoopa is from Kalos. Is this necessarily the case, considering that Hoopa seems to have more to do with OR/AS than it does X/Y (such as the different form)? [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 23:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hoopa is not in the Hoenn regional Pokédex, but is in the Kalos regional Pokédex. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::This is superficially similar to the pre-Emerald Deoxys situation, which is exactly why we usually group Pokémon by generation rather than by region. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Hoopa should be categorized with the Kalos legendaries. With information from the upcoming movie, ''The Archdjinn of Rings, Hoopa'', which is set in the Kalos Region, this makes sense. But being included in the Kalos Pokédex in Pokémon X and Y is not necessary. X and Y just contained Hoopa and Volcanion for compatibility, for a reason that every Gen. VI Pokémon game should have every Gen. VI Pokémon. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 11:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Movies don't count towards anything. The ORAS Volcanion event suggests it can be found in Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh, so it's not like being introduced in a region means it can only be found in that region. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 15:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
== Redefining Mythical Pokémon? ==
In a discussion about Deoxys over at [[Talk:Delta Episode#Deoxys|Talk:Delta Episode]], we came across the difficulty of defining Deoxys according to Bulbapedia's current definition of a "Mythical Pokémon". It seems that the official Pokémon team has not released any sort of information about Deoxys' reclassification as "Legendary" instead of "Mythical", but it is now a Pokémon integral to in-game progress due to the Delta Episode. Considering they may never officially reclassify Deoxys as "Legendary", what is the best option for Bulbapedia in terms of dealing with Deoxys, or even the definition of "Mythical"? [[User: CWallace |<span style="font-family: Tw Cen MT;color:#00CED1">C.Wallace</span>]] ([[User_talk: CWallace |<span style="font-family: Tw Cen MT">Talk</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/CWallace|<span style="font-family: Tw Cen MT">Contribs</span>]]) 13:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
== Separation ==
There should really be another page  about mythical Pokémon, right? [[User:Flanl|Flanl]] ([[User talk:Flanl|talk]]) 23:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:Nope. Mythical Pokémon are still Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:48, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
::Actually, usage of "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon" indicates the opposite. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:26, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Then what about [http://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-what-do-japanese-fans-call-these-legendary-pokemon/ Forbidden Legendary Pokémon]?  We have been slowly transitioning to a split between Legendary and Mythical, but there is a third split in the classification.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
::::"Forbidden" just means that it is "forbidden" from being used in battle facilities. It's also just a subset of Legendary Pokémon, as shown by the parentheses. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Addendum: {{ja|伝説のポケモン}} and {{ja|幻のポケモン}} show how the Japanese wiki does it in the same way as I mentioned. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::So, it is not an official classification I take it?  (Or at least one that we do not need a separate page for?)  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::: Legendary are Mythical Pokemon are part of the same group. but there Pokemon are different two separate classes. Both classification are official. Both the anime, official Pokemon website, and video games have acowledge certain "Legendary Pokemon" as being Mythical, like Meloletta in the back and white anime arc for example and Deoxys in Omega Ruby and AlphaSapphire (Even though is now classified as a Legendary). Even Pokemon Wiki has notice the difference between these groups of Pokemon. That is why they have both a Legendary and Mythical page. Also Mythical are event Pokemon, with the exception of Deoxys. Legendary Pokemon on the other hand can be encounter without using any events at. I believe we should have a page for Mythical Pokemon. It will be easier to find the group if done this way and that way if someone is looking for Mythical Pokemon, they will not be redirected to the Legendary Pokemon.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 15:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:Absolutely. The term was always present in Japanese media, and recently became official in their western ones. No reason to not have separate pages anymore. I'm trying to lay the groundwork of the page [[User:Ash_Pokemaster/Mythical_Pokémon|here]]. I'm thinking a (relatively) short description of the Pokémon from a canonical perspective first, and then information on its revelation and where/when it featured. Feel free to edit the page with Celebi, Deoxys and co. or suggest an alternate layout. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 23:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
::First off, even your proposed article states that Mythical Pokémon are a '''subset''' of Legendary Pokémon. {{tt|All mythicals|ignoring the Phione debate, as I haven't seen anyone arguing for Phione getting mythical status but not legendary status}} are legendaries, but not all legendaries are mythicals. Second, what is the point of splitting the page when it would result in the "Legendary Pokémon" article not containing info on all legendaries? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 15:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
==Zygarde and Rumble World==
Given that [[Pokémon Rumble World]] officially lists Zygarde as part of a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal, listing it along with them (whether under the name "Mortality trio" or another name) is a possibility. I'd advise waiting until the upcoming May 21 announcement to officially do this, because we may get new Zygarde-related info on that date that would make any prior edits inaccurate. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 15:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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