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==Leaf== | |||
So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST) | So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST) | ||
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Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007 | Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007 | ||
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | : Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
==Manga== | |||
Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] <sup>~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]</sup> 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC) | Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] <sup>~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]</sup> 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
== RBG picture == | == RBG picture == | ||
So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it. | So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it. {{unsigned|Morgil27}} | ||
== Blue artwork? == | == Blue artwork? == | ||
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== Rival = Blue? or Green? HGSS == | == Rival = Blue? or Green? HGSS == | ||
Well, being that the rival's name also complicates things, as TTEchidna said, if the Viridian City gym leader in Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver is Leader (or Gym Leader) Blue, then it's back to the drawing board, but if he's Leader (or Gym Leader) Green, the name of the female player character of FireRed & LeafGreen may very well be Blue then. | Well, being that the rival's name also complicates things, as TTEchidna said, if the Viridian City gym leader in Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver is Leader (or Gym Leader) Blue, then it's back to the drawing board, but if he's Leader (or Gym Leader) Green, the name of the female player character of FireRed & LeafGreen may very well be Blue then. {{unsigned|Team Snagem Jarrod}} | ||
:Her name will be Leaf regardless. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC) | :Her name will be Leaf regardless. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
Wouldn't the situation change if she appears in HG/SS under a different name? [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | Wouldn't the situation change if she appears in HG/SS under a different name? [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/drilldozer/sheet/19334 | http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/drilldozer/sheet/19334 | ||
I looks like one of Jill costumes is the same as Leaf. | I looks like one of Jill costumes is the same as Leaf. | ||
This could be a trivia. | This could be a trivia. {{unsigned|Virus bass}} | ||
:Neat find. I think so.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 21:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC) | :Neat find. I think so.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 21:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:Even if she wasn't physically present in the Generation I games, if she was, she would've been named Green, not Leaf. Since Red isn't renamed Fire and Blue isn't renamed Water in Generation III, why should we call her Leaf, instead of sticking with colors? And you're confusing me about the default name ''Leaf'''s presence in the games. At first you said that Green is only present in LeafGreen, but Leaf is present in both versions. Now you turn around and say that both Green ''and'' Leaf are only present in LeafGreen. Which is it? If the latter is true, then Green has just as much in game support as Leaf does, excluding unseen dummy files in the game data. You even brought up the fact that Blue's name in the game data is strange, not being Green like it should be (since that's his Japanese name). If we can't trust the internal data for Blue's name, then why should we trust it for Leaf/Green's name? With that said, if you exclude the internal data that can't be taken as fact and media outside of the games, then both names, Green ''and'' Leaf, have the same amount of supporting evidence for them (that is, assuming your first comment about the name Leaf being present in FireRed wasn't true, as you later suggested). They're tied, 1-1. So you have a choice to make. Should you go with the name that's present in placeholder data in the game (which can't be trusted, as shown by Blue's placeholder data), or should you go with the name that's also used in other media, ''and'' is more logical, fitting the color naming scheme? I think the choice is pretty obvious. Green is the name to go with. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 06:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | :Even if she wasn't physically present in the Generation I games, if she was, she would've been named Green, not Leaf. Since Red isn't renamed Fire and Blue isn't renamed Water in Generation III, why should we call her Leaf, instead of sticking with colors? And you're confusing me about the default name ''Leaf'''s presence in the games. At first you said that Green is only present in LeafGreen, but Leaf is present in both versions. Now you turn around and say that both Green ''and'' Leaf are only present in LeafGreen. Which is it? If the latter is true, then Green has just as much in game support as Leaf does, excluding unseen dummy files in the game data. You even brought up the fact that Blue's name in the game data is strange, not being Green like it should be (since that's his Japanese name). If we can't trust the internal data for Blue's name, then why should we trust it for Leaf/Green's name? With that said, if you exclude the internal data that can't be taken as fact and media outside of the games, then both names, Green ''and'' Leaf, have the same amount of supporting evidence for them (that is, assuming your first comment about the name Leaf being present in FireRed wasn't true, as you later suggested). They're tied, 1-1. So you have a choice to make. Should you go with the name that's present in placeholder data in the game (which can't be trusted, as shown by Blue's placeholder data), or should you go with the name that's also used in other media, ''and'' is more logical, fitting the color naming scheme? I think the choice is pretty obvious. Green is the name to go with. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 06:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Because she wasn't officially /in/ Gen I can she be inclusive to it. She existed as art and an idea that wouldn't come to fruition until Kris: a heroine choice. She may have "exist", but she is not a canon character until Gen III. This being her official debut, she has nothing to go on but these two games. She cannot be called Green, since FireRed is the Alpha game, making the "Green" character the rival (in essence). But seeing as there is no third game to possibly pawn her off on, the last bit is to chop the title in half, one name for the rival, and one name for the girl. Because the rival isn't officially 'Blue' by Gen III standards, since no Blue game exists in Gen III. Yes, he ''is'' Blue, in every English Gen that ''isn't'' the third. And since he's not Blue, but "Green," she, as a Gen III character, cannot be "Green". Hence. As she is a Gen III character only (so far), she cannot be named by the standards of Gen IV, only her own generation. If she had made an appearance in Gen IV...only ''then'' could her name be argued beyond the scope of her limited exposure. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | ::Because she wasn't officially /in/ Gen I can she be inclusive to it. She existed as art and an idea that wouldn't come to fruition until Kris: a heroine choice. She may have "exist", but she is not a canon character until Gen III. This being her official debut, she has nothing to go on but these two games. She cannot be called Green, since FireRed is the Alpha game, making the "Green" character the rival (in essence). But seeing as there is no third game to possibly pawn her off on, the last bit is to chop the title in half, one name for the rival, and one name for the girl. Because the rival isn't officially 'Blue' by Gen III standards, since no Blue game exists in Gen III. Yes, he ''is'' Blue, in every English Gen that ''isn't'' the third. And since he's not Blue, but "Green," she, as a Gen III character, cannot be "Green". Hence. As she is a Gen III character only (so far), she cannot be named by the standards of Gen IV, only her own generation. If she had made an appearance in Gen IV...only ''then'' could her name be argued beyond the scope of her limited exposure. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Okay, now ''that'' makes sense. I hadn't thought of it that way. ''Thank you'' for actually providing logical evidence besides placeholder data that can't be trusted or fandom nonsense. If someone would have pointed that out a long time ago, I would've never argued over her name. So, again, I thank you for being the one to provide real, logical, valid evidence as to why she should be called Leaf. No longer will I call her Green. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::: What's wrong with just saying this: Okay, so there's a "trio" from each Generation, correct? And each trio is named either with real names, or with version names. From Hoenn, we have Brendan, May, and Wally. From Sinnoh, we have Lucas, Dawn, and Barry. From Johto, we have Ethan, Lyra, and Emoguy. Anyways, since each "trio" follows a theme, meaning that the names have to be consistent with one another. Emoguy was given no clear name in HG/SS, so I can understand why we still call him Silver, since Ethan was previously known as Gold, but ANYWAYS, each name in the trio has to be consistent. Logically, what makes more sense: Red, Leaf, and Blue? Or Red, Green, and Blue? If it's that hard to notice people, '''the Kanto trio are named after colors''' Notice how "Leaf" is not a color. Just saying. EDIT: bah, screw it, who cares, it's just a name, afterall, Kris wasn't named Crystal. Leaf ftw! [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 16:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Fuguri == | == Fuguri == | ||
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Do you know that it means "testicles" in Japanese? Whoever calls her that, he's probably NOT serious about this name. And this makes this not trivia-worthy. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | Do you know that it means "testicles" in Japanese? Whoever calls her that, he's probably NOT serious about this name. And this makes this not trivia-worthy. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I do know that it means that, but fans do seriously call her by that name, and in a perfectly well-meaning manner. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 23:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | :I do know that it means that, but fans do seriously call her by that name, and in a perfectly well-meaning manner. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 23:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Kay, so some kind anons on 2ch were able to clear up for me the true origins behind the name "Fuguri." Here's the answer that I ultimately received. | |||
::''The very first FireRed/LeafGreen thread was titled "FireRed LeafGreen" (ファイアレッドリーフグリーン) without the &.'' | |||
::''Because of that, people responded with, "FireRedLee & Fugurin (ファイアレッドリー＆フグリーン)? What an obscene title!"'' | |||
::''I have a feeling that's how the "Fuguri" thing started.'' | |||
::''Incidentally, the male protagonist was also called "Red Lee." Though now the names "Remake Red" and "Leaf" have permeated [the fandom].'' | |||
:So yes, while it started out as a joke because of the word "scrotum," it turned into a legitimate fandom name for her, and people do call her that in all seriousness, without any obscene intentions behind it. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 00:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I think it's somewhat like the fail pronunciation of Lyra's name as "Coat Own". They see "ko" and know "co", but "tone" doesn't read to them as two syllables, since it's an English word. And no one cares to read up on kana. You'd know someone meant Lyra if they called her Coat Own in a video. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== PBR == | |||
You know, I've wondered this for a while. Red and Leaf appeared in the prerelease trailers for PBR; is it possible for players to assemble their outfits in PBR through the accessories, or not? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Leaf is her most common name? == | |||
The last trivia states this. However until recently she was mostly known as "Blue" in the fandom, due to Blue from Special. Even now she's still well-known as Blue. On a different note..Is a screenshot of her BR beta appearence article-worthy? Does anyone even have a somewhat high quality screen-shot? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 04:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:As far as I know(which isn't much, as I came into the fandom during DP), she is known as Leaf. Her manga counterpart is the one most commonly known as Blue(for silly reasons). <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 14:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Leaf's Special counterparts name is Blue though..Anyway, Leaf up until recently has been synonymous with "Blue" or "Green" up until recently. Even now, a lot of people call her "Blue" on both sides of the fandom. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
Actually, since The rival is known both as Blue and Green, It is safer to call her leaf. | |||
And The PBR pic,the trailer Even on better sites like IGN, Is pretty low quality. | |||
Unless someone has a better vid, we can't get a better picture. {{unsigned|Kanto Girl}} | |||
== Early Design == | |||
I was looking on the internet, and found an image that looks like it could have been Leaf's original design. I cant upload the image, but I can give a link: | |||
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PokemonRedAndBlue?from=Main.ptitleevcce3c2 | |||
Go down to "What could have been" and click on female protagonist and you will see a pre design of Leaf. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 20:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
:[[Unreleased Pokémon and characters|We already have that]] [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:31, 23 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Unknown == | |||
Shouldn't this article be tagged with {{template|Unknown name}}? | |||
[[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 04:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:In the internal game data of FRLG, her sprite is associated with the name "Leaf", just like the male character is named "Red", so it's valid. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 13:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Headwear == | |||
I remember that a few years back, this page had an interesting point of trivia. "If Leaf had been included in Red and Green with her original design, she would have been the only playable character to date without headwear." Well, that was the gist of it, but I'm sure it was worded better. Even now, 20 years after the original games, this is still true. Well, in the Playable Characters' default forms at least. Sun and Moon's protags are apparently able to remove their hats through customization. Could that be re-added? Or is it too random a trivia point to put down, especially since it's about an "if" rather than something that actually happened? | |||
--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 02:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I would say not to re-add it. It's a pretty convoluted point, and like you said it never happened. [[User:Litwick96|<span style="color:purple">Litwick</span>]]<small>[[User Talk:Litwick96|<span style="color:grey">96</span>]]</small> 02:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC) | |||