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Sorry for the long bla, I guess what I want to say is that her name IS Kamitsure, and the other spelling was probably for Japanese people (or people familiar with the Japanese writing system), but it is highly confusing for the average Bulbapedia user in terms of pronunciation. {{unsigned|Eevee-Girl}}
Sorry for the long bla, I guess what I want to say is that her name IS Kamitsure, and the other spelling was probably for Japanese people (or people familiar with the Japanese writing system), but it is highly confusing for the average Bulbapedia user in terms of pronunciation. {{unsigned|Eevee-Girl}}
:You see, while {{wp|Hepburn romanization}} dictates that つ and ツ are "tsu", official romanizations can vary greatly from Hepburn. For example, virtually all Pokémon names have official romanizations which are different from their literal romanizations. The idea here is that it was officially romanized as "Kamiture" (in PokéSpe), so that is where the name came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:You see, while {{wp|Hepburn romanization}} dictates that つ and ツ are "tsu", official romanizations can vary greatly from Hepburn. For example, virtually all Pokémon names have official romanizations which are different from their literal romanizations. The idea here is that it was officially romanized as "Kamiture" (in PokéSpe), so that is where the name came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/crunch385/20120805.jpg] here you can see her name is not ''Kamiture'' but ''Kamitsure''! :) -- [[User:Misaki|Misaki]]
::: Irrefutable proof. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 19:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I guess ''Kamiture'' was just a typo then. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


== Infatuation with trainer? ==
== Infatuation with trainer? ==
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[[User:VendettatheGreat|VendettatheGreat]] 21:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)VendettatheGreat
:Specifically which dialogue are you referring to? I don't see it. We have everything she says in-game on the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
:Specifically which dialogue are you referring to? I don't see it. We have everything she says in-game on the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::I believe he's referring to the Post Battle dialogue, where she stumbles over her words a bit. I got the same feeling when playing through that part. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 16:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


== Error in Elesa's article ==
== Error in Elesa's article ==
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Yes that sounds fine. But its more than a thought of mine. And not to be too blunt about it but it's quite obvious that it's her. Correct me if I'm wrong please. But getting the official word is the right way to go about it of course. ([[User:DTJMan|DTJMan]] 01:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
Yes that sounds fine. But its more than a thought of mine. And not to be too blunt about it but it's quite obvious that it's her. Correct me if I'm wrong please. But getting the official word is the right way to go about it of course. ([[User:DTJMan|DTJMan]] 01:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
::What do you mean officials? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
:What do you mean officials? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::We have contact with many of the voice actors, and they're usually the ones that provide this sort of information, that way we're always accurate. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 12:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


== Elesa's attire ==
== Elesa's attire ==


[[File:Elesa anime.png|200px|thumb|left|Notice that in the anime, her sholder blades are visible and her navel is covered...]][[File:Elesa Adventures.png|100px|thumb|right|...while it's vise versa in the manga?]]
[[File:Elesa anime.png|200px|thumb|left|Notice that in the anime, her sholder blades are visible and her navel is covered...]]
On [[BW069]], when Cilan had to crossdress as Elesa, I saw that when he was holding her shirt that it had skin tone patches, but on a picture of her in the manga, her navel was showing, meaning that the skin tone patches were her skin. Also, in the anime, Elesa's shoulder blades are visible, indicating that the top patch is showing that part of her chest, yet when Cilan was holding her shirt in BW069, it was a skin tone cloth at that area. Should someone mention in the Trivia section that her shirt is drawn inconsistent on multiple occasions and various sources? [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 18:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
On [[BW069]], when Cilan had to crossdress as Elesa, I saw that when he was holding her shirt that it had skin tone patches, but on a picture of her in the manga, her navel was showing, meaning that the skin tone patches were her skin. Also, in the anime, Elesa's shoulder blades are visible, indicating that the top patch is showing that part of her chest, yet when Cilan was holding her shirt in BW069, it was a skin tone cloth at that area. Should someone mention in the Trivia section that her shirt is drawn inconsistent on multiple occasions and various sources? [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 18:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
:I do not think so. I feel the clothes during the contest were simply costume garbs, and not ''exactly'' what the person wears. For example, that obviously wasn't ''really'' Alder's hair, nor could Alder's clothes really fit Ash. So I think Elesa's was simply a costume and made it for people that didn't want to show off their actual skin. This actually isn't all that uncommon for costumes, for people who are a bit more modest than others. So no, I don't personally feel we need to point it out. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 21:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
:I do not think so. I feel the clothes during the contest were simply costume garbs, and not ''exactly'' what the person wears. For example, that obviously wasn't ''really'' Alder's hair, nor could Alder's clothes really fit Ash. So I think Elesa's was simply a costume and made it for people that didn't want to show off their actual skin. This actually isn't all that uncommon for costumes, for people who are a bit more modest than others. So no, I don't personally feel we need to point it out. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 21:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


::Ok. Thanks. :) [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 21:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks. :) [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 21:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
== Black Hair? ==
If anyone has seen the recent anime-style trailer for B/W2, I noticed that Elesa's hair color changed from yellow to black. Not sure if this is okay to add to the page, but I thought I'd mention it. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] 19:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I would think its OK, I'm not an admin, but if I were I'd say yes, but don't say black hair in specific, I'd just say a new attire. [[User:Lucario985|Lucario985]] Chowolun 19:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I would hold off on adding that if I were you, since we don't have any official confirmation that it's her, as (I believe) we only saw her from behind in the trailer. --[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 03:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:We saw her from just about every angle, including several close-up facial shots. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I know it looks a lot like her, but Marriland brings up a good point: Although several other sites have "confirmed" that this is Elesa based on the trailer video, please note that Elesa has blue eyes in Black and White, while the Gym Leader shown above has yellow eyes. Her name was also never spoken in the trailer. Though it is still entirely possible it is Elesa, that's a very deliberate detail that is hard to change (whereas hair color is easily changeable), unless she uses contacts or something — but that's a lot less likely.
As soon as her name is revealed on the official website instead of just on other Pokemon fansites, I will change this, but please remain somewhat skeptical as to whether or not this is Elesa.
I didn't notice this before but thinking about it, it does make sense to wait before just assuming in my opinion.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 19:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:The "Elesa" in the video indeed has blue eyes if you pause right before she rips off her cloak. While evidence point to her being Elesa, there still is a chance that it may not be. I'll look into it. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 20:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::The description of the video on Youtube has a cast and character's list and she's credited as "Kamiture" so it's her. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 00:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, well there we go then. :P [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 02:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
== The new category ==
Somebody should add her to Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:I found that I'm allowed to do that by myself. So I have done. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
== Design Influence ==
I'm unsure if this would be suitable for Trivia, but Elesa's original design greatly resembles the Vocaloid Lily - that is, black and yellow striped clothing with long blonde hair and headphones. http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Lily [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:That's an opinion, which isn't allowed. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 01:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
== Electric Specialist Trivia ==
I think "Elesa is the only Electric specialist who doesn't have a Raichu at any point." should have "in the games" added to it because Wattson doesn't have a Raichu in the anime and neither does Elesa, and I think that saying she is the only one never to have a Raichu (ever) is kind of misleading.--[[User:Sylveon|Sylveon]] ([[User talk:Sylveon|talk]]) 06:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
== Zebstrika? Emolga? Or both? ==
Do {{p|Zebstrika}} and {{p|Emolga}} appear under her ownership in the trailer? Or does only one appear? I know in the trailer that she is seen welcoming Nate with his {{p|Emboar}}. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 17:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
== Oh crap; that was a trivia edit I just undid. ==
I didn't even look at what I undid; I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry guys. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone would have even noticed or cared if you hadn't come here and pointed it out. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::I thought about that, and decided to admit it anyway; I'm just honest. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
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