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I don't believe it's said anywhere in the English games that his surname is Oak. Is this from the Japanese version or is it a complete assumption? The name doesn't sound natural in either language and despite being Oak's grandson, he doesn't necessarily share the surname. I'd be interested in a source for this. {{unsigned|Five}} | I don't believe it's said anywhere in the English games that his surname is Oak. Is this from the Japanese version or is it a complete assumption? The name doesn't sound natural in either language and despite being Oak's grandson, he doesn't necessarily share the surname. I'd be interested in a source for this. {{unsigned|Five}} | ||
:So I think the best piece of evidence we have is that Daisy's (Blue's sister) last name is said to be Oak in FRLG. Therefore we can assume that Blue has the same last name as his sister. The dialogue in question is from Four Island's Pokemon Journal: "There's a rumor...The Spring Pokémon Contest's Grand Champion is Daisy Oak of Pallet Town!" [[User:WhiteWaterBottle|WhiteWaterBottle]] ([[User talk:WhiteWaterBottle|talk]]) 19:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Continuity? == | == Continuity? == | ||
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:::::[http://archive.is/D9iPz This] argues XY is solidly in the main continuity. | :::::[http://archive.is/D9iPz This] argues XY is solidly in the main continuity. | ||
:::::And AFAIK there's no Kalos reference in ORAS that particularly requires that anything we saw in XY be in the ''exact'' same continuity as ORAS. Even if there were, it's thoroughly arguable that the Kalos we know from XY exists exactly the same in both universes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC) | :::::And AFAIK there's no Kalos reference in ORAS that particularly requires that anything we saw in XY be in the ''exact'' same continuity as ORAS. Even if there were, it's thoroughly arguable that the Kalos we know from XY exists exactly the same in both universes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
== Blue's age = 11 years old == | |||
The game manual says Red is 11 years old (as of RGBY / FRLG), and also that Blue is the same age as him. | |||
The page [[Red (game)]] says that Red is 11 years old as of those games. Can we add the same age for Blue in [[Blue (game)]]? --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 00:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Age == | |||
How do we know he's the same age as Red again?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 16:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
: The manual, though by the looks of things you found that. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 03:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Changing the color of the page? == | |||
That really dark saturated blue/green combo is not easy on the eyes, can I change it to something a little lighter? {{unsigned|Cryrus}} | |||
== Stub status == | |||
This page is in the Stubs category, but it is definitely not a stub at this point. I have no idea how to remove it from the Stubs category though (because I cannot tell what mechanism is putting it there). Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Kevorama0205|Kevorama0205]] ([[User talk:Kevorama0205|talk]]) 03:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:It's under "How I Became a Pokémon Card" section.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 11:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
==Japanese Name== | |||
Why is Blue's Japanese name オーキド・グリーン ''Green Okido'' instead of something like オーキド・ブル ''Blue Okido''? I'm kinda confused about that. [[User:GalarChamp Cinderace|GalarChamp Cinderace]] ([[User talk:GalarChamp Cinderace|talk]]) 00:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Because Red and Green are the original Gen I games in Japan. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 00:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
Well, okay. Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up! [[User:GalarChamp Cinderace|GalarChamp Cinderace]] ([[User talk:GalarChamp Cinderace|talk]]) 00:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Age == | |||
I don't think there's really a need to deduce ages of characters like Blue from the timeline, especially when the 12 years gap is considered. Blue doesn't look 30 in SMUSUM and the gap is really only theoretical based on two unrelated pieces of lore from different media and different times.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 20:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I fully agree with this. At the very least, I don't think the "deduced ages" for B2W2 or SMUSUM should be listed. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
::You genuinely could not PAY me to tell you Blue is 30 in SM/USUM that is a college student at best. The "canon" timeline is pure conjecture and should not be treated as anywhere close to canon. Do you know how many people I've had to explain "no, this is not canon" to people because they looked it up on bulbapedia and treated it like the bible. [[User:Cryrus]] ([[User talk:Cryrus|talk]]) 15:43, 10 March 2023 (PST) | |||
:::Just because the source being used is an old book, doesn't make the book unreliable. That's like saying the first 10 episodes of the anime are too old and thus can't be used as references for anything (like Ash having a grandfather).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F34134">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F7837B">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#8334B7">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#AE7BD0">ire</span>]] 07:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Age, Part II== | |||
'''"There's evidence to support the size of the time gap."'''<br> | |||
Where?? [[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 06:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Porygon's creation is one thing the other is Anabel's disappearance 10 years before USUM. Generally, numbers are considered harder evidence than how a character looks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 10:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Anabel's disappearance has nothing to do with this, because we know that alternate dimensions can exist-- Anabel simply could have came from a dimension where she was the Salon Maiden, there's no proof to say that it's even in the same "timeline." Additionally, Looker states that she was lost in the wormhole for some time, AND that they found her ten years before the events of Sun & Moon, so nothing there has anything to do with any character's age since there's no actual information to go off of. Furthermore, Porygon's date of creation ranges from 1995 to 1996, and is inconsistent between the Encyclopedia and it's Pokedex Entry in SM. This is picking and choosing aspects from a dated, non-canon information whenever it suits you, which leads to this inconsistency. Blue doesn't just LOOK the same in B2W2 as he does in HGSS, he also has an IDENTICAL design. Games are created using character designs that specifically denote age, and we know Battle Facilities have required new artwork in the past, see Cynthia or Wally at the Battle Tree. If he was older, it would have been noted there, but his design is 1:1 with HGSS. Characters such as Caitlin are further evidence of designs changing with time passing. Either Blue is actually 29 in SM, or the date for BW is wrong, you cannot have both.[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 19:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Move == | |||
The current title "Blue (game)" appears to be about the game named Pokémon Blue. | |||
Maybe we can move this to "Blue (video game character)" instead? --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 20:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I agree, it's an ambiguous dabtag. "(video game character)" is a little lengthier than I think it needs to be, though; couldn't it just be "Blue (game character)"? As far as I know, there aren't any other Blues in games - video or not - aside from the ones like Blue (Masters) which are based on this Blue. [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 01:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
::I think all the _(game) pages should be moved. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::In my opinion, both of these look good: the longer "Blue (video game character)" or the shorter "Blue (game character)". | |||
:::This also applies to "Red (video game character)", "Green (video game character)", and "Silver (video game character)". As we know, the words "Red", "Blue", "Green", and "Silver" are names of game characters but they are also titles of core series games. | |||
:::On the other hand, in the case of [[Ethan (game)]], [[Rosa (game)]], [[Calem (game)]], [[Elio (game)]], and so on, I would suggest removing (game) altogether and moving them simply to "Ethan", "Rosa", "Calem", "Elio", etc. whenever possible. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 03:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::I like the idea of removing all the (game) disambigs from things that are not games, but those discussions should take place on those pages. For the matter at hand: I support moving this page to '''Blue (game character)''', and I'd like to update the move tag on the page accordingly. [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 04:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::Isn't Blue (character) a simpler and more viable option?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 04:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::[[Blue (Adventures)]], [[Blue (Origins)]], [[Blue (Ruby-Sapphire)]], and [[Blue (Pocket Monsters)]] are also characters named Blue, so no, I wouldn't call that a more viable option. On the other hand, the only other game character named Blue is [[Blue (Masters)]], who's a direct adaptation of this Blue. As such, I don't think anyone would expect to find Masters!Blue when going to a page called Blue (game character). [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 05:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::::The "Misty" article is about the character Misty and there's no problem with that. Other pages like "Misty (anime)" are treated as subpages of the main one for this character.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 13:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::It seems the article "Misty" is the main place for a bunch of different versions of Misty, including Misty from Pokémon Adventures, multiple other manga, the Origins anime, GOTCHA, etc. I find it interesting that the page "Misty (anime)" is about the main series anime, and is also the main place for the multiple anime-based manga and games, but it does not contain other anime versions such as Origins and GOTCHA. | |||
:::::::::You see, at first I was thinking along these lines: "Blue (video game character)" or "Blue (game character)" are probably good titles because this page is exclusively about the game character whereas the page "Misty" is about a bunch of different character versions. | |||
:::::::::But actually, I see that the page title "Blue (game)" is at least 95% about the game character, but it is also the main place with information about Blue from the Generations anime, GOTCHA, How I Became a Pokémon Card, and Jō's Big Adventure. So maybe "Blue (character)" can actually work for this page after all. | |||
:::::::::I wonder if we should actually have both pages at the same time: "Blue (character)" as a hub for all character versions (including all the information about the Generations anime, GOTCHA, How I Became a Pokémon Card, and Jō's Big Adventure), and "Blue (game character)" exclusively for the core series game character. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 08:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
Related discussion: [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#About the page titles like Red (game), Blue (game), etc.]] --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | |||