User talk:Kiomadoushi

Welcome to Bulbapedia, Kiomadoushi!

By creating your account you are now able to edit pages, join discussions, and expand the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia. Before you jump in, here are some ground rules: Be nice to everyone. It's in the code of conduct. Make good edits. Preview them before you save to make sure they're perfect the first time around. Use wikicode and link templates when adding content to a page. Use proper grammar and spelling, and read the manual of style. You can't create a userpage until you've added to the encyclopedia. It's a privilege. See the userspace policy. Use talk pages to resolve editing disputes. Don't "edit war," or constantly re-edit/undo the same thing on a page. If you have a question about something, be proactive. Take a look at our FAQ. If you're still stuck, ask for help. The staff won't bite. Sign all talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~). This will turn into your name and the time you wrote the comment. For more handy links, see the welcome portal.

Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   It's Funktastic~!話してください 02:35, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Kirlia vs Arcanine battle math

Kirlia Lv. 50
HP 98 - 145 (121.5)
Atk 36 - 95 (65.5)
Def 36 - 95 (65.5)
Sp.Atk 63 - 128 (95.5)
Sp.Def 54 - 117 (85.5)
Spd 49 - 112 (80.5)

Arcanine Lv. 50
HP 150 - 197 (173.5)
Atk 103 - 178 (140.5)
Def 76 - 145 (110.5)
Sp.Atk 94 - 167 (130.5)
Sp.Def 76 - 145 (110.5)
Spd 90 - 161 (125.5)

Both are fighting at Lvl 50 for an even match. Moves over lvl 50 are used, but they are all available by TM anyways, so moves related to level are beside the point.

Minimum Stats are 0 EVs, IVs of 0, and Hindering Nature if applicable.
Maximum Stats are 252 EVs, IVs of 31, and Helpful Nature if applicable.

Min/Max versions below assume impossible stats (all 6 are 0 or 252 EVs; all are IVs of 0 or 31)

Average is listed above, exact middle between stats. The games always round down, so just truncating the .5 on each.

Kirlia's strongest moves it can learn are Psychic with 90 power, Dream Eater with 100 power (requires sleep, hypnosis is 60%), and Future Sight with 100 power (delayed).

Arcanine's strongest moves it can learn are Flamethrower with 95 power, Fire Blast with 120 power (85%), and Overheat with 140 power (90%).
All five moves are special attacks.
Arcanine can also use Fire Fang with 65 power (95%), as a physical attack.
Fire Fang is noticeably weaker, but is included for strongest physical move.
Growlithe can learn Flame Burst, a stronger physical move, before lvl 50; it has 70 power (100%)
Damage formula is:

((((2 * Lvl) +10) / 250) * (Atk / Def) * STAB * Weakness * Items * OtherBuffs) * Random(0.85 - 100%)

Excluding the random, assuming each attack is 100% damage, results follow:

Strongest Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 145 Atk 95 Def 95 Sp.Atk 128 Sp.Def 117 Spd 112 Arcanine HP 150 Atk 103 Def 76 Sp.Atk 94 Sp.Def 76 Spd 90 Kirlia 112 Spd > 90 Spd Arcanine Kirlia has higher speed, attacks first. Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. > 111 dmg (100-power) (128 to 76 special) 100 dmg (90-power) (128 to 76 special) Kirlia deals 111 dmg. (74%) Arcanine has 150-111 = 39 HP left. Arcanine attacks second. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 50 dmg (95-power) (94 to 117 special) 63 dmg (120-power) (94 to 117 special) > 74 dmg (140-power) (94 to 117 special) 46 dmg (65-power) (103 to 95 physical) 50 dmg (70-power) (103 to 95 physical) Arcanine deals 74 dmg. (51%) Kirlia has 145-74 = 71 HP left. Kirlia attacks again for 111 dmg. (148%) Arcanine faints. Arcanine is one attack away from defeating Kirlia. > Kirlia Wins on turn 3. Arcanine wins on turn 4. Kirlia barely wins with speed.

Strongest Kirlia vs Average Arcanine

Kirlia HP 145 Atk 95 Def 95 Sp.Atk 128 Sp.Def 117 Spd 112 Arcanine HP 173 Atk 140 Def 110 Sp.Atk 130 Sp.Def 110 Spd 125 Kirlia 112 spd < 125 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 69 dmg (95-power) (130 to 117 special) 88 dmg (120-power) (130 to 117 special) > 102 dmg (140-power) (130 to 117 special) 63 dmg (65-power) (140 to 95 physical) 68 dmg (70-power) (140 to 95 physical) Arcanine deals 102 dmg. (70%) Kirlia has 145-102 = 43 HP left. Kirlia attacks second. Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 69 dmg (90-power) (128 to 110 special) > 76 dmg (100-power) (128 to 110 special) Kirlia deals 76 dmg. (44%) Arcanine has 173-76 = 97 HP left. Arcanine deals 102 dmg. (141%) Kirlia faints. Kirlia is two attacks away from defeating Arcanine. > Arcanine wins on turn 3. Kirlia wins on turn 6. Arcanine wins with a strong lead.

Strongest Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 145 Atk 95 Def 95 Sp.Atk 128 Sp.Def 117 Spd 112 Arcanine HP 197 Atk 178 Def 145 Sp.Atk 167 Sp.Def 145 Spd 161 Kirlia 112 sp < 161 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 89 dmg (95-power) (167 to 117 special) 113 dmg (120-power) (167 to 117 special) > 131 dmg (140-power) (167 to 117 special) 80 dmg (65-power) (178 to 95 physical) 86 dmg (70-power) (178 to 95 physical) Arcanine deals 131 dmg. (90%) Kirlia has 145-131 = 14 HP left. Kirlia attacks second. Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 52 dmg (90-power) (128 to 145 special) > 58 dmg (100-power) (128 to 145 special) Kirlia deals 58 dmg. (29%) Arcanine has 197-58 = 139 HP left. Arcanine deals 131 dmg. (181%) Kirlia faints. Kirlia is three attacks away from defeating Arcanine. > Arcanine wins on turn 3. Kirlia wins on turn 8. Arcanine wins with a very strong lead.

Average Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 121 Atk 65 Def 65 Sp.Atk 95 Sp.Def 85 Spd 80 Arcanine HP 150 Atk 103 Def 76 Sp.Atk 94 Sp.Def 76 Spd 90 Kirlia 80 spd < 90 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 69 dmg (95-power) (94 to 85 special) 92 dmg (120-power) (94 to 85 special) > 107 dmg (140-power) (94 to 85 special) 67 dmg (65-power) (103 to 65 physical) 73 dmg (70-power) (103 to 65 physical) Arcanine deals 107 dmg. (88%) Kirlia has 121-107 = 14 HP left. Kirlia attacks second. Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 74 dmg (90-power) (95 to 76 special) > 82 dmg (100-power) (95 to 76 special) Kirlia deals 82 dmg. (55%) Arcanine has 150-82 = 68 HP left. Arcanine deals 107 dmg. (177%) Kirlia faints. Kirlia is one attack away from defeating Arcanine. > Arcanine wins on turn 3. Kirlia wins on turn 4. Arcanine barely wins with speed.

Average Kirlia vs Average Arcanine

Kirlia HP 121 Atk 65 Def 65 Sp.Atk 95 Sp.Def 85 Spd 80 Arcanine HP 173 Atk 140 Def 110 Sp.Atk 130 Sp.Def 110 Spd 125 Kirlia 80 spd < 125 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 95 dmg (95-power) (130 to 85 special) - 121 dmg (120-power) (130 to 85 special) > 141 dmg (140-power) (130 to 85 special) 92 dmg (65-power) (140 to 65 physical) 99 dmg (70-power) (140 to 65 physical) Arcanine deals 141 dmg. (117%) Kirlia is one-shot. Kirlia faints. Kirlia would have been able to do: Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 51 dmg (90-power) (95 to 110 special) > 57 dmg (100-power) (95 to 110 special) Kirlia would have dealt 57 dmg. (33%) > Arcanine wins on turn 1. Kirlia wins on turn 10. Arcanine wins with overkill.

Average Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 121 Atk 65 Def 65 Sp.Atk 95 Sp.Def 85 Spd 80 Arcanine HP 197 Atk 178 Def 145 Sp.Atk 167 Sp.Def 145 Spd 161 Kirlia 80 spd < 161 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. - 123 dmg (95-power) (167 to 85 special) (100% KO) - 155 dmg (120-power) (167 to 85 special) > 181 dmg (140-power) (167 to 85 special) 117 dmg (65-power) (178 to 65 physical) - 126 dmg (70-power) (178 to 65 physical) (100% KO) Arcanine deals 181 dmg. (150%) Kirlia is one-shot. Kirlia faints. Kirlia would have been able to do: Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 38 dmg (90-power) (95 to 145 special) > 43 dmg (100-power) (95 to 145 special) Kirlia would have dealt 43 dmg. (22%) > Arcanine wins on turn 1. Kirlia wins on turn 10. Arcanine wins with guaranteed overkill.

Weakest Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 98 Atk 36 Def 36 Sp.Atk 63 Sp.Def 54 Spd 49 Arcanine HP 150 Atk 103 Def 76 Sp.Atk 94 Sp.Def 76 Spd 90 Kirlia 49 spd < 90 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. - 109 dmg (95-power) (94 to 54 special) (100% KO) - 137 dmg (120-power) (94 to 54 special) > 160 dmg (140-power) (94 to 54 special) - 122 dmg (65-power) (103 to 36 physical) (100% KO) - 132 dmg (70-power) (103 to 36 physical) (100% KO) Arcanine deals 160 dmg. (163%) Kirlia is one-shot. Kirlia faints. Kirlia would have been able to do: Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 49 dmg (90-power) (63 to 76 special) > 54 dmg (100-power) (63 to 76 special) Kirlia would have dealt 54 dmg. (36%) > Arcanine wins on turn 1. Kirlia wins on turn 6. Arcanine wins with guaranteed overkill.

Weakest Kirlia vs Average Arcanine

Kirlia HP 98 Atk 36 Def 36 Sp.Atk 63 Sp.Def 54 Spd 49 Arcanine HP 173 Atk 140 Def 110 Sp.Atk 130 Sp.Def 110 Spd 125 Kirlia 49 spd < 125 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. - 150 dmg (95-power) (130 to 54 special) (100% KO) - 190 dmg (120-power) (130 to 54 special) > 222 dmg (140-power) (130 to 54 special) - 166 dmg (65-power) (140 to 36 physical) (100% KO) - 179 dmg (70-power) (140 to 36 physical) (100% KO) Arcanine deals 222 dmg. (227%) Kirlia is one-shot. Kirlia faints. Kirlia would have been able to do: Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 34 dmg (90-power) (63 to 110 special) > 37 dmg (100-power) (63 to 110 special) Kirlia would have dealt 37 dmg. (21%) > Arcanine wins on turn 1. Kirlia wins on turn 10. Arcanine wins with guaranteed overkill.

Weakest Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine

Kirlia HP 98 Atk 36 Def 36 Sp.Atk 63 Sp.Def 54 Spd 49 Arcanine HP 197 Atk 178 Def 145 Sp.Atk 167 Sp.Def 145 Spd 161 Kirlia 49 spd < 161 spd Arcanine Arcanine has higher speed, attacks first. Arcanine's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. - 193 dmg (95-power) (167 to 54 special) (100% KO) - 244 dmg (120-power) (167 to 54 special) > 285 dmg (140-power) (167 to 54 special) - 212 dmg (65-power) (178 to 36 physical) (100% KO) - 228 dmg (70-power) (178 to 36 physical) (100% KO) Arcanine deals 285 dmg. (291%) Kirlia is one-shot. Kirlia faints. Kirlia would have been able to do: Kirlia's Attacks have STAB for x1.5, no type bonus, no crit. 25 dmg (90-power) (63 to 145 special) > 28 dmg (100-power) (63 to 145 special) Kirlia would have dealt 28 dmg. (14%) > Arcanine wins on turn 1. Kirlia wins on turn 16. Arcanine wins with guaranteed overkill.

Kirlia wins in Strongest Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine (1) (speed) (2:2)
Arcanine wins in Strongest Kirlia vs Average Arcanine (2) (3:2)
Arcanine wins in Strongest Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine (3) (4:2)
Arcanine wins in Average Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine (4) (speed) (2:2)
Arcanine wins in Average Kirlia vs Average Arcanine (5) (one-shot) (5:1)
Arcanine wins in Average Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine (6) (guaranteed one-shot) (5:1)
Arcanine wins in Weakest Kirlia vs Weakest Arcanine (7) (guaranteed one-shot) (3:1)
Arcanine wins in Weakest Kirlia vs Average Arcanine (8) (guaranteed one-shot) (5:1)
Arcanine wins in Weakest Kirlia vs Strongest Arcanine (9) (guarnateed one-shot) (8:1)

Kirlia wins 1/9 fights.
Arcanine wins 8/9 fights.
Arcanine has the advantage.

The strongest Kirlia is on par with the weakest Arcanine.
If Arcanine is any bit stronger than impossibly low stats, Arcanine wins.

--Kiomadoushi (talk) 04:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)