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==Article creation== | |||
Hi this is a page that will include the list of multi-hit moves and details on them, similar to [[one-hit knockout move]] [[User:Pokepranav|Pokepranav]] 02:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC) | Hi this is a page that will include the list of multi-hit moves and details on them, similar to [[one-hit knockout move]] [[User:Pokepranav|Pokepranav]] 02:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Dude, you can't just make a nearly empty page and expect everybody else to fill it in for you. When you make a new page here, you gotta make it look good, add as much detail as you can, and categorize it. Not use the talk page to tell everybody what it's gonna be like eventually. And editing that same comment constantly. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 02:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC) | :Dude, you can't just make a nearly empty page and expect everybody else to fill it in for you. When you make a new page here, you gotta make it look good, add as much detail as you can, and categorize it. Not use the talk page to tell everybody what it's gonna be like eventually. And editing that same comment constantly. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 02:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
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==Move to Multi-hit move?== | ==Move to Multi-hit move?== | ||
Personally, I'm of the opinion that both this page and the category Swipe moves should be renamed to multi-hit moves. The name swipe seems a bit inaccurate, given that Fury Swipes is the only move that uses a swiping movement. Unless there's something else I'm missing? - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 21:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC) | Personally, I'm of the opinion that both this page and the category Swipe moves should be renamed to multi-hit moves. The name swipe seems a bit inaccurate, given that Fury Swipes is the only move that uses a swiping movement. Unless there's something else I'm missing? - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 21:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I only moved this to "Swipe move" to match the category. | :I only moved this to "Swipe move" to match the category. Not sure why the category is called what it is. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 02:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Agreed. Multi-hit moves is the best name for them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC) | ::Agreed. Multi-hit moves is the best name for them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC) | ||
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==Average vs. Effective power== | ==Average vs. Effective power== | ||
The use of "average" and "effective" power for {{m|Triple Kick}} is misleading, I'm going to swap them. "Effective" should be the cumulative power if all hits of a move connect, with "average" taking the move's base accuracy into account (as this is the amount of damage you can expect to inflict {{tt|on average|statistical mean; total damage dividied by # uses}} in a real battle). --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 13:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC) | The use of "average" and "effective" power for {{m|Triple Kick}} is misleading, I'm going to swap them. "Effective" should be the cumulative power if all hits of a move connect, with "average" taking the move's base accuracy into account (as this is the amount of damage you can expect to inflict {{tt|on average|statistical mean; total damage dividied by # uses}} in a real battle). --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 13:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Actually, I see no reason to put the max amount of damage (60) in the infobox at all. I don't know why I included it in the first place as it can just as easily be mentioned in the sentence that details how the damage is accumulated. Since Triple Kick takes accuracy/evasion into account to an extent, it's not the same as other multi-strike moves. How about we call its calculation Effective power, since 47.07 is '''effectively''' the average amount of damage, given that we've factored the 90% probabilities? Please reply your thoughts here and I'll do the edit if you agree. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 20:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
: Actually, I see no reason to put the max amount of damage (60) in the infobox at all. I don't know why I included it in the first place as it can just as easily be mentioned in the sentence that details how the damage is accumulated. Since Triple Kick takes accuracy/evasion into account to an extent, it's not the same as other multi-strike moves. How about we call its calculation Effective power, since 47.07 is '''effectively''' the average amount of damage, given that we've factored the 90% probabilities? Please reply your thoughts here and I'll do the edit if you agree. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 20:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC) | ::It's been over a week. I'll go ahead and do it. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 20:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: It's been over a week. I'll go ahead and do it. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 20:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
=={{m|King's Shield}} and {{m|Spiky Shield}}== | =={{m|King's Shield}} and {{m|Spiky Shield}}== | ||
It needs to be determined whether the effects of these moves activate multiple times from a multi-strike move. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">Best</font>]]</span></font> 00:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC) | It needs to be determined whether the effects of these moves activate multiple times from a multi-strike move. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">Best</font>]]</span></font> 00:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Already did. They don't. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC) | :Already did. They don't. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
==A few questions== | |||
* Does {{m|Endure}} behave like Focus Band, Focus Sash, and Sturdy in Generations II-IV and V-VI? | |||
* If the user of a MSM is burned mid-attack by Flame Body, are the remaining strikes weakened? | |||
* If poisoned, paralyzed, or burned by Flame Body, Poison Point, Effect Spore, or Static, does {{a|Guts}} boost the remaining strikes? | |||
** Similarly, if Zangoose uses Fury Swipes or Double Hit and is poisoned by Poison Point or Effect Spore, does {{a|Toxic Boost}} buff the remaining strikes? | |||
* Does each strike have an independent chance of activating {{a|Cursed Body}}? Smogon says, "Cursed Body has a separate chance of activation on each hit of a contact multi-hit move, but will not stop any multi-hit move before it has been completed." The problem with this is that even non-contact moves can activate Cursed Body. | |||
* Does each strike of Pin Missile and Beat Up activate {{a|Rattled}}? | |||
* Does each strike of Water Shuriken activate {{a|Storm Drain}}, {{a|Water Absorb}}, and {{a|Dry Skin}}? | |||
* Using {{a|Parental Bond}} and an Electric-type move, does each strike have an independent chance of activating {{a|Lightning Rod}}, {{a|Motor Drive}}, and {{a|Volt Absorb}}? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">Best</font>]]</span> 22:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC) | |||