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 ...but having said the above, I '''can''' support a page called [[base stats]] if it describes what goes into the stats shown on a Pokemon's Summary screen (i.e. [[Stats#Determination_of_stats]]). --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 ::Mmm nope. "Base stats" are EVs, unambiguously. Go to Super Training and put a Pokemon through a training regime; the summary page afterward clearly says "Base stat increase: HP +4" (or whatever stat/value you're training). These +4s, +12s, +1s, etc add up to a maximum of 255 per stat and 510 total — they are what we once called EVs. No confusion, no ambiguity, no "we don't know exactly". End of story. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
+:You're not going to convince me personally of that any time soon :) especially when this usage of the term is precisely the opposite of what the community has called it for years and is flat out counter-intuitive (the biggest pointwise influence - and hindering [[Nature]]s notwithstanding, ''absolute minimum values for any and all members of that species'' - is the species's base rating for each stat). But to check official sources:
+:* According to the [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon_101/stats/ Understanding Stats] page on the Pokemon XY website:
+:** It first mentions '''stats''' in general.  Right next to it is an image of Super Training.
+:** The second paragraph uses the term '''base stats''' repeatedly, making it clear that battling wild Pokemon, using items (vitamins), and Super Training all affect these values -- i.e. EVs.
+:* According to the [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/super_training/ Super Training] page of the official website:
+:** The green area of the EV graph is referred to as the "stat levels relevant to each Pokémon species" (no actual term here), with the yellow called "base stat increases".
+:* According to the game's electronic manual (p.28, Super Training):
+:** The dark green area of the EV graph is referred to only as "the relative stat levels for a given kind of Pokemon" (again, no actual term here).
+:** The yellow highlight is described as "how much your own Pokemon has improved each of its ''base stats''."
+:** However, the the vertical yellow bar at the right is described as the Pokemon's "overall progress in raising its ''stats''" -- not 'base stats', just 'stats'.
+:* Also, Pokedex 3D Pro refers to a species's base stats simply as "stats", where we know these are only the values for a species, not the final values for an individual.
+:* And, of course, XY themselves:
+:** "Base [stat]" is used extensively in Super Training messages.
+:** "Base [stat]" is also used in reference to EV berries (since Gen III) and vitamins (since Gen I).
+:I agree that "base stats" occurs most often in Super Training, but I still believe that GF uses it as an umbrella term, to distinguish it from the final values on a Pokemon's summary screen (because those are scaled by level) and from temporary (in-battle) stat modifiers (which are still not visible in any fashion).  I am not finding anything to explicitly contradict this. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
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