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'''Lt. Surge''' (Japanese: '''マチス''' ''Matis'') is the [[Vermilion City]] [[Gym Leader]]{{tt|, thus the leader of the [[Vermilion Gym]]|might not even be needed}}. Lt. Surge specializes in {{type|Electric}} Pokémon, and gives the {{Badge|Thunder}} to Trainers {{tt|that|who}} defeat him. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
'''Lt. Surge''' (Japanese: '''マチス''' ''Matis'') is the [[Vermilion City]] [[Gym Leader]]{{tt|, thus the leader of the [[Vermilion Gym]]|might not even be needed}}. Lt. Surge specializes in {{type|Electric}} Pokémon and gives the {{Badge|Thunder}} to {{tt|Trainers|those}} {{tt|who|that}} defeat him. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:A link to the Gym portion is necessary; omitting that from the top of the page is a grave mistake. And it would definitely be "Trainers who". Though imo, a better way to say the last line would be "...and he gives those who defeat him a {{Badge|Thunder}}." [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:A link to the Gym portion is necessary; omitting that from the top of the page is a grave mistake. And it would definitely be "Trainers who". Though imo, a better way to say the last line would be "...and he gives those who defeat him a {{Badge|Thunder}}." [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Saying "thus the leader of the Vermillion Gym" makes it VERY redundant. Stating the player may find him there in another sentence fixes that. There's nothing wrong with the phrasing of the last sentence in the new version I created. A NOTE TO EVERYONE, SINCE THIS ERROR IS COMMON ON MANY PAGES, NOT JUST GYM LEADERS: '''Only add a comma to join two facts if there is something that makes it a full sentence all ready as a part of what you're combining. Say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and he gives anyone who defeats him (which is true) a Thunder Badge." NEVER say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and gives anyone who defeats him a Thunder Badge."''' I know several users are going to continue to fight for the old intros and their survival. Anyone who wants to follow the Wiki's mission statement, however, would read my previous explanation as to why I changed the intros in the first place and see that I'm actually correct in changing them. - [[User:The Pokémon Master|The Pokémon Master]] 20:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Saying "thus the leader of the Vermillion Gym" makes it VERY redundant. Stating the player may find him there in another sentence fixes that. There's nothing wrong with the phrasing of the last sentence in the new version I created. A NOTE TO EVERYONE, SINCE THIS ERROR IS COMMON ON MANY PAGES, NOT JUST GYM LEADERS: '''Only add a comma to join two facts if there is something that makes it a full sentence all ready as a part of what you're combining. Say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and he gives anyone who defeats him (which is true) a Thunder Badge." NEVER say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and gives anyone who defeats him a Thunder Badge."''' I know several users are going to continue to fight for the old intros and their survival. Anyone who wants to follow the Wiki's mission statement, however, would read my previous explanation as to why I changed the intros in the first place and see that I'm actually correct in changing them. - [[User:The Pokémon Master|The Pokémon Master]] 20:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:::While you are correct that it is redundant stating he is the leader of the city then stating the name of the gym, making it two sentences does not fix this. Two sentences is just as bad (and probably worse) than one. You are correct that the comma shouldn't be there, I missed that. If you dislike 'Trainers', 'those' is also a viable option. 'Anyone' infers that it is a common event, whereas 'Trainers' bears no such inference; 'those' has a slightly infers that it is an uncommon event. Even if you decide to keep the first two sentences your way, you need to include a link to the Gym if you are going to name it, and badges need to use 'the', not 'a' or 'an'. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)