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::::::No. It IS a complete change. The translation we have is stupid. The Colo/XD name is "Hataraku-no Ojisan" and the DPPt name is "Sagyouin". We just awkwardly translated them but those are totally different words. There is no proof that those classes are supposed to be the same. Okay they are both middle-aged physical workers? And what? They appear in UNRELATED games and train different Pokemon. Colo/XD and main games don't relate that much canon-wise. NONE of the classes originally debuting in Colo/XD made it into main games. It's naive to think that "it's one class from Colosseum which was later used in DPPt". Colo/XD had different developers (Genius Sonority) with their own ideas. We haven't seen GameFreak using ANY of Genius Sonority's ideas (we did see the opposite but that's not the thing). I don't see how an English name can constitute the fact that the class was originally supposed to be the same. It's just a translation - someone's else interpretation, NOT original idea. I don't even think that Nob Ogasawara remembers every Trainer Classes name he translated (it's a forgettable thing, especially those Colo/XD classes - they were so unmemorable and minor). I'm not even sure if that was Nob who made the Colo & XD Translation. Same translation really DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. Especially that Japanese have more words to describe one thing (usually Chinese-borrowed and Native Japanese, as in this case). The Japanese names are remotely different, they train different Pokemon, they appear in unrelated games (Colo/XD Workers were GS's idea, DPPt Workers was GF's idea. Those could develop independently). Really, everything we're excusing this merge with is English name. The English name should not be the criteria for anything. There are many COTDs who share the same name. And does it mean that they're same characters? Of course, Worker classes MAY appear similarly and happen to have same English title. But merging them just because of the similarity is like merging [[Channeler]] and [[Medium]] or [[Veteran]] and [[Expert]]. Also, both Bikers and Cyclists are called "Biker" in German. Does that mean that they're same class? Translations sometimes fail. There is no REAL reason for the pages to stay merged. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC) | ::::::No. It IS a complete change. The translation we have is stupid. The Colo/XD name is "Hataraku-no Ojisan" and the DPPt name is "Sagyouin". We just awkwardly translated them but those are totally different words. There is no proof that those classes are supposed to be the same. Okay they are both middle-aged physical workers? And what? They appear in UNRELATED games and train different Pokemon. Colo/XD and main games don't relate that much canon-wise. NONE of the classes originally debuting in Colo/XD made it into main games. It's naive to think that "it's one class from Colosseum which was later used in DPPt". Colo/XD had different developers (Genius Sonority) with their own ideas. We haven't seen GameFreak using ANY of Genius Sonority's ideas (we did see the opposite but that's not the thing). I don't see how an English name can constitute the fact that the class was originally supposed to be the same. It's just a translation - someone's else interpretation, NOT original idea. I don't even think that Nob Ogasawara remembers every Trainer Classes name he translated (it's a forgettable thing, especially those Colo/XD classes - they were so unmemorable and minor). I'm not even sure if that was Nob who made the Colo & XD Translation. Same translation really DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. Especially that Japanese have more words to describe one thing (usually Chinese-borrowed and Native Japanese, as in this case). The Japanese names are remotely different, they train different Pokemon, they appear in unrelated games (Colo/XD Workers were GS's idea, DPPt Workers was GF's idea. Those could develop independently). Really, everything we're excusing this merge with is English name. The English name should not be the criteria for anything. There are many COTDs who share the same name. And does it mean that they're same characters? Of course, Worker classes MAY appear similarly and happen to have same English title. But merging them just because of the similarity is like merging [[Channeler]] and [[Medium]] or [[Veteran]] and [[Expert]]. Also, both Bikers and Cyclists are called "Biker" in German. Does that mean that they're same class? Translations sometimes fail. There is no REAL reason for the pages to stay merged. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::It's very sad that since I brought up some serious reasons the problem has been completely ignored. Such situations really question Bulbapedia's plausibility as a dependable information source. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC) | :::::::It's very sad that since I brought up some serious reasons the problem has been completely ignored. Such situations really question Bulbapedia's plausibility as a dependable information source. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::::We are not merging on similarity only. The name is the exact same in english. On the German wiki, Biker and Cyclist should be (if not are) the same article. The English name is not merely a translation when the entire wiki is based off the English part of the franchise. You say that GF never used GS's ideas, but here is an example of it. They just found "Middle-aged" too specific. | |||
::::::::I tried a few different translators, which either did a terrible job translating those two (さぎょういん is "I work clothes", はたらくおじさん is "Uncle works" or "The uncle who works"), or those are not very good Japanese names (I think it the translators' faults, but just bringing it up). I did use 3 different translators, so it may not be the translators fault. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC) | |||