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::::::::::Figures. I'm just a guy who hates incompleteness, so these lingering cases of incompleteness tend to bug me a lot. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC) | ::::::::::Figures. I'm just a guy who hates incompleteness, so these lingering cases of incompleteness tend to bug me a lot. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::For a while now already, I've been planning a massive edit project, where I go over '''every single''' page with a Stadium and Stadium 2 party template, and change the number of Poké Balls in the template(s) to 3 instead of 6 (since only three of the six Pokémon are always used per battle), as well as remove the word "Pokémon" from the game name, as it isn't that way in any other game party templates either. But that's why I've come here for you this time: in preparation for this project, could you edit {{template|Party/Single}} to include codes for Stadium and Stadium 2 in the game name section? And while we're on the topic of this template, do the Battle Chatelaines alone warrant a combined code for X, Y, OR, and AS, and the few version-exclusive Battle Tree Trainers from Generation VII codes for S/US and M/UM, respectively? PS. I hope you understood that last part. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC) | :::::::::::For a while now already, I've been planning a massive edit project, where I go over '''every single''' page with a Stadium and Stadium 2 party template, and change the number of Poké Balls in the template(s) to 3 instead of 6 (since only three of the six Pokémon are always used per battle), as well as remove the word "Pokémon" from the game name, as it isn't that way in any other game party templates either. But that's why I've come here for you this time: in preparation for this project, could you edit {{template|Party/Single}} to include codes for Stadium and Stadium 2 in the game name section? And while we're on the topic of this template, do the Battle Chatelaines alone warrant a combined code for X, Y, OR, and AS, and the few version-exclusive Battle Tree Trainers from Generation VII codes for S/US and M/UM, respectively? PS. I hope you understood that last part. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::Thanks. I saw you just doing this, and I'm honestly really grateful for it, but in case you didn't know, when we refer to "Pokémon Stadium", the link should go to "[[Pokémon Stadium (English)]]", instead of just "[[Pokémon Stadium]]". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | :::::::::::Thanks. I saw you just doing this, and I'm honestly really grateful for it, but in case you didn't know, when we refer to "Pokémon Stadium", the link should go to "[[Pokémon Stadium|Pokémon Stadium (English)]]", instead of just "[[Pokémon Stadium]]". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::Never mind. You noticed that yourself. Sorry. XP --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | :::::::::::Never mind. You noticed that yourself. Sorry. XP --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | ||
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::I think Let's Go is special case and should be split. While consistency is "sacrificed", Let's Go is really different from the other main series games, and the TM table being completely different alone make merging them really confusing. I think this game is an exception we could make - it's best we add the info in as soon as possible first. Revision is still possible of course. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 23:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC) | ::I think Let's Go is special case and should be split. While consistency is "sacrificed", Let's Go is really different from the other main series games, and the TM table being completely different alone make merging them really confusing. I think this game is an exception we could make - it's best we add the info in as soon as possible first. Revision is still possible of course. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 23:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::Update: The learnset table is it to be separated, Spriteit is planning on doing the learnsets from tomorrow (his time), so discuss with him if you plan on adding learnsets. As for the TMtable, a overhaul of the TM pages to be like the item pages has been brought up (and someone has a mock up on their userpage), so it (the template) will have to be put on hold for now.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC) | :::Update: The learnset table is it to be separated, Spriteit is planning on doing the learnsets from tomorrow (his time), so discuss with him if you plan on adding learnsets. As for the TMtable, a overhaul of the TM pages to be like the item pages has been brought up (and someone has a mock up on their userpage), so it (the template) will have to be put on hold for now.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::[[User: | :::[[User:Coffee/Sandbox/TM01|Proposed TM01 userpage by Chosen]].--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC) | ||
==Marc Thompson M21== | ==Marc Thompson M21== | ||
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:::::Its currently a work in progress page that I'm hoping other members will be kind to help, already mentioned it to PardescanSlowbro--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC) | :::::Its currently a work in progress page that I'm hoping other members will be kind to help, already mentioned it to PardescanSlowbro--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
{{indent}}The ones I've marked as unnotable is because they didn't do much and their articles are very, very short. If everything they've done can be summed up in one paragraph, then they're not notable. Quality over quantity.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC) | {{indent}}The ones I've marked as unnotable is because they didn't do much and their articles are very, very short. If everything they've done can be summed up in one paragraph, then they're not notable. Quality over quantity.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
:Okay. I've since added the information from the pages marked as not notable, except for the Weather trio anime page, on to the [[recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. As for the Lugia (anime) page, given that it also appeared in the manga, like | :Okay. I've since added the information from the pages marked as not notable, except for the Weather trio anime page, on to the [[recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. As for the Lugia (anime) page, given that it also appeared in the manga, like [[Silver (Lugia)|Silver]], would that change its status to notable? And because the Weather trio (anime) page is actually about three characters, would that warrant it having its own page?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 03:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
== Who's That Pokémon Narration == | == Who's That Pokémon Narration == | ||
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Was wondering if you could confirm if [[User:BigDocFan/Ben Phillips]] and [[User:Super10ZX/Rosie Reyes]] were notable enough and ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC) | Was wondering if you could confirm if [[User:BigDocFan/Ben Phillips]] and [[User:Super10ZX/Rosie Reyes]] were notable enough and ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
:I'd like you to look at the notability requirements listed [[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|here]] and judge for yourself (fwiw, they're both notable according to the requirements). I'd like to think that you would be more confident in figuring out what's notable and what isn't with your experience.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | :I'd like you to look at the notability requirements listed [[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|here]] and judge for yourself (fwiw, they're both notable according to the requirements). I'd like to think that you would be more confident in figuring out what's notable and what isn't with your experience.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
::I think my problem is a lack of confidence, hence my checking with admin if they are notable enough or not. Went to do Rosie Reyes but got ''You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: | |||
''A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:50, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::Ah, yeah the redirect exists. I've moved the article since it requires deleting the existing one. While you should always ask an admin about moving an article, my concern was more on wanting you to feel more confident in knowing what is notable considering that you've been here for a while.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Decided to take the initiative and went to mainspace [[User:BigDocFan/Vic Mignogna]] but encountered the same problem when I went to do Rosie Reyes--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Another vandal == | == Another vandal == | ||
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::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/footer]] | ::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/footer]] | ||
::--[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ::--[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::They were just simply too big, hence why I decided to just outright remove them. TiddlyWinks, or any other staff member, will click on the link to check the template out, no need to worry about it being ignored. I've deleted the userpages as well.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::Thankee for the deletions! As a side question: why isn’t a user allowed to delete his/her own user subpages on his/her own? --[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Deletion powers are things only staff has. If users were given the option to delete userpages, then a user could delete someone else's userpage out of spite.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 06:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Cyndaquil == | |||
Look, all I'm saying is that Cyndaquil is literally called the "Fire Mouse Pokémon." The GAME CREATORS THEMSELVES literally said this thing is a mouse. {{unsigned|Swil Phift}} | |||
:I know where you're getting at. But the fact of the matter is, Cyndaquill looks nothing like a mouse. It's category means nothing. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
By that logic, Pikachu isn't a mouse either, considering that, like Cyndaquil, its resemblance to a mouse is also very vague. [[User:Swil Phift|Swil Phift]] ([[User talk:Swil Phift|talk]]) 03:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Ears, long tail, name being based off the onomatopoeia of a mouse squeaking, also we've got official confirmation that it is based on a mouse. Pikachu has more going for it in the mouse department than Cyndaquil.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:43, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
==Hiker Trio== | |||
Was wondering the recurring hikers from sun and moon are worthy of receiving their own character page, have created [[User:BigDocFan/Hiker Trio (Alola)|one]] for mainspacing if they are--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Since they've only done something major in one of their two episodes, I'd say wait until any future appearances and see how much they impact the plot.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Fair enough--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Master Trainer references == | |||
I highly doubt those references are just coincidences. It'd be very unlikely for those naming patterns to occur at random. What's wrong with mentioning them on that page? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:What do those Simpsons characters have to do with bird keeping or birds? What does Gamer Grumps have to do with ghosts? What does Cubone and Marowak have to do with Castlevania? Just having names that are the same isn't enough. Otherwise it's speculation to say that they are clear cut references (especially the Gamer Grumps one, like really?). This also extends to the Sesame street trivia on Route 19, what does Elmo have to do with swimming, or Bert and Ernie with bird keeping? We can't have trivia stating that things are references solely because of their names. Otherwise we'd have users going around saying a certain group of trainers on a route is a reference to some obscure tv show.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 10:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::You're failing to see the point. It's not always about the Trainer classes or their Pokémon, but that they have something in common: All the Simpsons references are Bird Keepers. All the Gastly line Trainers are Psychics (and are all found in the same location), plus the Game Grumps have a history with Gengar. It's a reference if the characters share a Trainer class and/or area they're found in. I hope you understood my point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::The only thing they have in common are the names. Anyone can pick out random group of trainers and say that they are a reference to some obscure show that no one knows. What do the Simpson characters have to do with bird keeping? Neither of those characters do anything remotely related to birds. It's a coincidence if they share a trainer class and are found in the same area, it also has nothing to do with what they are allegedly referring to.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::That's what I keep trying to tell you. The Trainer classes aren't '''supposed''' to represent what these characters are in their respective shows. They're only meant to make groups out of them and make the reference work. And in case of the HG/SS Sesame Street reference, the fact that all the Trainers with the reference names are in the same area serves the same purpose. Do we need some other admin to give their opinion on the matter to solve this debate? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Then it's a coincidence, not a reference.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 14:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::Honestly? You consider naming multiple characters from a single show/whatever in a single class or area a coincidence? I consider this a rare case of me being disappointed by your judgment. I'm not giving up on this. It indeed seems like we'll need the opinion of another admin to settle this. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::If we allow references based off a group of trainers that just so happens to share the same name as characters in a tv show, then other users will try to say another group of trainers share the same name as some characters from some obscure tv show. That's what I'm trying to prevent by being hard on this. I don't think just having the same name and being in one area is solid enough, it's flimsy and most likely coincidental.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 16:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Yet another vandal == | |||
{{user|Blankrealmz}} is running rampant on the {{p|Shinx}} article. Just so you know. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:51, 1 January 2019 (UTC) | |||