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It's probably going to appear a lot more in the anime, and has a nickname too. It should be treated more like [[Ash's Larvitar]] and some other wild Pokémon on this page and given its own article. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | It's probably going to appear a lot more in the anime, and has a nickname too. It should be treated more like [[Ash's Larvitar]] and some other wild Pokémon on this page and given its own article. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
:I agree. Squishy's clearly going to play a huge role in things to come, way more than your average recurring wild Pokémon. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 03:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC) | :I agree. Squishy's clearly going to play a huge role in things to come, way more than your average recurring wild Pokémon. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 03:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
::I have {{redlink|User: | ::I have {{redlink|User:Coffee/Sandbox/Zygarde (anime)|a draft}} for Zygarde altogether, but it can be re-purposed to focus on Puni-chan itself if need be. - [[User:Coffee|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 21:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
::: I have {{redlink|User:Upratik 12/Puni-chan|one}} for Puni-chan, but no one ever edits it, it can be used for Puni-chan and Chosen's could be used as a whole (for both the Zygardes) [[User:Upratik 12|<I><span style="color:red">Pr</span><span style="color:blue">at</span><span style="color:green">ik_12</span></I>]] <sub>'' [[User talk:Upratik 12|<span style="color:violet">Talk</span>]]''</sub> 05:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC) | ::: I have {{redlink|User:Upratik 12/Puni-chan|one}} for Puni-chan, but no one ever edits it, it can be used for Puni-chan and Chosen's could be used as a whole (for both the Zygardes) [[User:Upratik 12|<I><span style="color:red">Pr</span><span style="color:blue">at</span><span style="color:green">ik_12</span></I>]] <sub>'' [[User talk:Upratik 12|<span style="color:violet">Talk</span>]]''</sub> 05:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
Now that a separate [[Puni-chan]] article has been established, should we adjust the Zygarde page to focus on Z-2, perhaps using the codename as its "nickname"? - [[User: | Now that a separate [[Puni-chan]] article has been established, should we adjust the Zygarde page to focus on Z-2, perhaps using the codename as its "nickname"? - [[User:Coffee|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 20:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
== Should we add [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Meowth]], [[Ash's Caterpie]] and [[Aura Sphere Riolu]]. == | == Should we add [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Meowth]], [[Ash's Caterpie]] and [[Aura Sphere Riolu]]. == | ||
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This page seems to be nothing but an excuse to avoid giving notable wild Pokémon their own articles. They have their own infoboxes, and some even have their own trivia sections. This article is basically just a collection of smaller, unrelated articles rather than a list. If the Pokémon is a notable enough character to get a section on this page, then I think it's likely notable enough for its own article; by being on this page, it means they served a significant role in the anime. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC) | This page seems to be nothing but an excuse to avoid giving notable wild Pokémon their own articles. They have their own infoboxes, and some even have their own trivia sections. This article is basically just a collection of smaller, unrelated articles rather than a list. If the Pokémon is a notable enough character to get a section on this page, then I think it's likely notable enough for its own article; by being on this page, it means they served a significant role in the anime. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC) | ||
:If we were to get rid of this page completely, it would mean double-checking the notability of the Pokémon on this list. For example, I don't think {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Marill}} or {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Zekrom}} have enough information to merit its own page. - [[User: | :If we were to get rid of this page completely, it would mean double-checking the notability of the Pokémon on this list. For example, I don't think {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Marill}} or {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Zekrom}} have enough information to merit its own page. - [[User:Coffee|<span style="color:#EE99AC">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 21:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC) | ||
::We don't necessarily have to delete this page, but I don't think it should be formatted as a stack of mini-articles. If Zekrom and Marill don't have enough information for their own articles, they shouldn't have pseudo-articles here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | ::We don't necessarily have to delete this page, but I don't think it should be formatted as a stack of mini-articles. If Zekrom and Marill don't have enough information for their own articles, they shouldn't have pseudo-articles here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::Most of the Pokémon on here aren't even recurring anyway; Zekrom, Groudon and Kyogre for example only appeared once despite appearing in two-part episodes. Surely there is a difference between two appearances and two episodes that haven't a second of "in-world" time between them? Are Lewis and Ridley recurring characters? I agree with SnorlaxMonster![[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 11:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC) | :::Most of the Pokémon on here aren't even recurring anyway; Zekrom, Groudon and Kyogre for example only appeared once despite appearing in two-part episodes. Surely there is a difference between two appearances and two episodes that haven't a second of "in-world" time between them? Are Lewis and Ridley recurring characters? I agree with SnorlaxMonster![[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 11:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC) | ||
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Didn´t Tapu Bulu look like he used Wood Hammer against Lycanroc?[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 16:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC) | Didn´t Tapu Bulu look like he used Wood Hammer against Lycanroc?[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 16:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC) | ||
:It wasn't identified by name unlike the other three, which is the tricky part about identifying moves used by wild Pokémon. It's standard practice on Bulbapedia to not assume what a move is unless it is 100% confirmed. - [[User: | :It wasn't identified by name unlike the other three, which is the tricky part about identifying moves used by wild Pokémon. It's standard practice on Bulbapedia to not assume what a move is unless it is 100% confirmed. - [[User:Coffee|<span style="color:#EE99AC">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 17:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC) | ||
::Not really my place to say this but on Bulbapedia, dialogue or closed captions are what is needed to confirm moves.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC) | ::Not really my place to say this but on Bulbapedia, dialogue or closed captions are what is needed to confirm moves.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC) | ||
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== Silver == | == Silver == | ||
I think that a link to | I think that a link to [[Silver (Lugia)|Silver]]'s page should be added here. It appeared in the same 3 episodes that Lugia did, and it's on the page. - [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] ([[User talk:Super10ZX|talk]]) 21:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC) | ||
:I support this position. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 18 November 2018 (UTC) | :I support this position. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 18 November 2018 (UTC) | ||
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::And what about Ditto from Aether Paradise??? [[User:Daniel humberto|Daniel humberto]] ([[User talk:Daniel humberto|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ::And what about Ditto from Aether Paradise??? [[User:Daniel humberto|Daniel humberto]] ([[User talk:Daniel humberto|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::TBH, this article really need a restructuring. it is time for us to define what exactly does recurring means. is it as long as it appear in more than 1 episode that we include the pokemon, or does recurring refers to separate encounters? pokemon such as the rattata and grubbin you mentioned, groudon, kyogre, deoxys, guzzlord etc while appearing in 2 episodes, technically still count as the same encounter since the episodes they appear in count as one story. i don't think everyone will agree, but i think there is room for discussion. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 17:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | :::TBH, this article really need a restructuring. it is time for us to define what exactly does recurring means. is it as long as it appear in more than 1 episode that we include the pokemon, or does recurring refers to separate encounters? pokemon such as the rattata and grubbin you mentioned, groudon, kyogre, deoxys, guzzlord etc while appearing in 2 episodes, technically still count as the same encounter since the episodes they appear in count as one story. i don't think everyone will agree, but i think there is room for discussion. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 17:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::Added a section for the Exeggutor, Chosen has created a rather good page I feel. [[User: | ::::Added a section for the Exeggutor, Chosen has created a rather good page I feel. [[User:Coffee/Sandbox/Recurring_wild_Pokémon_in_the_anime]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:16, 28 December 2018 (UTC) | ||
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Why is it still needed in the Caught list when the extent of the entry is described in the Melmetal entry in its entirety? It acts as if it’s a completely separate entity when it no longer is. Honestly, I think the best solution is actually keeping the bullet, having it incorporate the entire Meltan clan into the bulleted entry, removing the section--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 22:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC) | Why is it still needed in the Caught list when the extent of the entry is described in the Melmetal entry in its entirety? It acts as if it’s a completely separate entity when it no longer is. Honestly, I think the best solution is actually keeping the bullet, having it incorporate the entire Meltan clan into the bulleted entry, removing the section--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 22:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
== Naming conventions == | |||
As some of you may know, {{u|Adil/Sandbox#Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|we are planning to split this article}} soon. A few of these Pokémon will get their own articles and most of the others will go to 'in the anime' section of the respective species page. We have a good idea what we want the criteria for recurring Pokémon to be. One of the issues under discussion is the naming convention, and it's something we'd appreciate your input on. Currently, we have narrowed it down to this as our potential approach in the future: | |||
Under normal circumstance, we will use "(anime)" in the title along with the Pokémon's name, provided that there is no ambiguity (further explained in the next paragraph). Among such articles, it would include: | |||
* Lugia (anime), Lake Guardians (anime), Forces of Nature (anime), Meloetta (anime), Malamar (anime), Wooper (anime), Florges (anime), Guardian deities (anime), Bewear (anime), Stoutland (anime), Oranguru (anime), Light trio (anime), and Ultra Beasts (anime). The new ones that will be moved from this page will also be named accordingly, if they fit. However, a limitation of using (anime) in the title is that it implies that the article includes all characters of that species in the anime, when that is not the case here, since generally it'd only include a single character. | |||
Where using '(anime)' is insufficient, i.e. when we have two or more notable characters of the same species in the anime, then the series name can be used for the respective article. If that doesn't work, i.e. they both appear within the same series, then the region's name can be used. Or is the order of preference, b/w series & region, the other way around? Someone on staff can hopefully correct me on this. For CotDs, we can use the epicode (see [[Carrie (XY092)]] for the sake of an example). | |||
* The Weather trio in the anime is a good case for this. We {{u|Adil/Weather trio (anime)|considered naming them with '(anime)' in the title}} and as a single article, but that makes less sense since not all of them appeared in the same storyline. We want to group those Pokémon that were part of the same plot in an episode/set of episodes/arc together. For example, Kyogre and Groudon from Ruby and Sapphire series under one article as 'Kyogre and Groudon (Ruby & Sapphire series)', those that appeared in XY as 'Kyogre and Groudon (XY series)', and so on. We cannot name them based on regions, as all of them appeared in Hoenn. I guess one more possibility would be naming XY characters 'Primal Kyogre (Hoenn/anime)' and 'Primal Groudon (Hoenn/anime)', but yeah that's just a thought. | |||
We are aware of the fact that both the region and the series naming conventions have limitations, if two very notable characters of the same species were to appear in the same region or the same series. Eventually, there will be some case where our pre-defined method won't work, and we'll have to come up with something new. Let us consider, if the Shaymin that appeared in DP168 was notable enough, it would have been confusing to call it both Shaymin (Sinnoh) or Shaymin (DP) because of the movie Shaymin (whose name wouldn't have been affected) who is from the same region and series. Anyway, that's just a possibility that may or may not occur in future. What we have mentioned above are the possible solutions that were brought up during our discussions. | |||
We just wanted to be more transparent about this, so that there is less confusion as to why some articles are named one way and some are done differently. You're more than welcome to chime in and give your thoughts on this. Thank you. [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adil'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Talk page'''</span>]] 23:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC) | |||