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Regarding these kind of hidden notices, I'd urge you to be careful when basically ignoring them. (To be frank, I'd personally say "I don't understand it" is alarming enough of a signal for you to not ignore it, maybe ask around instead.) Moreover, I acknowledge that this hidden notice in particular did not do a good job at doing what it was obviously intending to do, i.e. explaining ''why'' it should not be changed, and encouraging discussion before changing it. (Also in general, I want to point out that hidden notices should be used really ''sparsely''; this being one of the few cases where I think it's reasonable to have.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | Regarding these kind of hidden notices, I'd urge you to be careful when basically ignoring them. (To be frank, I'd personally say "I don't understand it" is alarming enough of a signal for you to not ignore it, maybe ask around instead.) Moreover, I acknowledge that this hidden notice in particular did not do a good job at doing what it was obviously intending to do, i.e. explaining ''why'' it should not be changed, and encouraging discussion before changing it. (Also in general, I want to point out that hidden notices should be used really ''sparsely''; this being one of the few cases where I think it's reasonable to have.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
:You can revert it, but this should absolutely not be a hidden notice. I'm generally against them as well, but it's not like this one in particular explains anything you just laid out here. At the very least it should be a bullet point under the table. I hope it's clear that having 41 in the place of 71 is not intuitive nor should the Move Reminder order take priority over the actual level-up order. I have seen hidden messages that have been flat out wrong or unneeded, and even in this case, I wouldn't say that putting a move learnt at 41 in the 70's is the right move. So I'd personally keep it in ascending order and have the note visible to everyone. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 14:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah as I said I agree the hidden notice was insufficient. | |||
::Anyway, as I said above, I really do think that "the Move Reminder order" (i.e. the order within the actual data) should take priority over the level-up order. This is not the sole reason, but note that otherwise, such information in the table would be lost. (If both orders conflict, the order displayed will necessarily be unintuitive in regards to the order they are ''not'' displayed in. You can sort by level, but not by the actual order.) | |||
::This is of course up for discussion (and any notice should indicate this), but as you already said you're fine with it, I'd really like to have the actual order restored, if that's okay!? (In case you'd want to implement that change, please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I'd much rather keep the level-up order and have a bullet point under the table as I think all other solutions are insufficient. Not necessarily because of having a preference in the ordering, but because it's valuable information for users that we cannot encapsulate in just listing the level up moves in non-ascending order. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Link visibility == | |||
I get what you mean with your link visibility edits, but at the same time, you're removing the colors they should be associated with and make them look rather bland. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I'd rather have them be a bit "bland" than unreadable. Colored text on colored background is unaccaptable, bad web design. Did changing the orange "S" on the fire background or the blue "M" on the water background really result in a worse look? I'm gonna say no. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 20:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Is this an approved edit? Something this notable usually requires a permission. {{unsigned|FinnishPokéFan92}} | |||
:::Yeah, I've been trying to get this approved for months. You are welcome to try and revise tables you find "bland", just make sure you don't use colored text on colored backgrounds. I'll ping you in the Discord channel. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||