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:Hi! Yeah, I tried {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShBDSP}} too this time, completely forgetting that I already knew it didn't work with that template. Though if the new headers get approved, we won't need them, thankfully. Could you send me a contact/website where we can chat more fluently (Twitter, Instagram, Discord, something like that)? Stuff like this shouldn't be discussed on talk pages. I think I could better articulate my vision if you can respond to me real-time. Next week might be good for me too, not sure yet. I know I should be free during the first half of June. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | :Hi! Yeah, I tried {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShBDSP}} too this time, completely forgetting that I already knew it didn't work with that template. Though if the new headers get approved, we won't need them, thankfully. Could you send me a contact/website where we can chat more fluently (Twitter, Instagram, Discord, something like that)? Stuff like this shouldn't be discussed on talk pages. I think I could better articulate my vision if you can respond to me real-time. Next week might be good for me too, not sure yet. I know I should be free during the first half of June. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
::My Discord account is Keyacom[hash]1936. Note that I replaced # with [hash], because indexed pages can let robots get sensitive information by matching regular expressions, just like with e-mails. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<span style="background:#1de linear-gradient(to right,#1de,#1e3,#e61);background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;color:transparent">Bfdifan2006</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 05:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::I sent you a friend invite, we'll talk there alter. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
==Ancient and Future Pokémon== | |||
I can't help but notice you've posted something intended for JoaoBaiao's talk page on their userpage--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, it was an honest mistake, I thought I was creating their talk page. I didn't try to remove it, because there is no point in that. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 22:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Question == | |||
What's the point of that "style="font-family:monospace,monospace" you add to so many pages? It adds so much text that I start to think that if it is something necessary, it would've been better if it was a class so you would only need to write "class=n".--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 14:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Just trying to make all templates follow what we see on The National Dex page. I use the parameters I found in that template, if you know a way it can be shortened, I'm happy to hear it. It's dead simple to replace the text. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::I would rather change one page than everything else for such tiny cosmetic detail. Is this staff approved?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I am just following the most recently updated template. It's nicer looking so I assume that's the prefered layout. Staff didn't revert any of the changes made to these big pages, so I assume I am in the clear. Your issue is that not all of the list pages use pre-made templates, in those cases I need to add the paramter to all individual lines which can have a largely unnoticeable bloating effect. I asked staff to implement it with all the templates (for the sake of consistency and superior looks), they said they would look into it and asked for specifications, but nothing happened. They either forgot or ghosted. I seldom get an answer from them so I just do what I can do hoping one day they respond. Once again, it's dead simple to replace it with something simpler, if it exists. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Yea, I have the same problem with the staff. They don't seem to be organized enough to be able to make such decisions. Well, do what you think is best and we will see.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Have you ever tried contacting them on Discord? I might start trying to contact them there, becuase I have a lot of proposals that just need a simple answer. I find talk pages really ineffective and old-fashioned, which must be a reason why most sites don't use them anymore. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::I'll try that next time. Thanks. I just think that deciding about bulbapedia without being on bulbapedia is like missing the whole point.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Savanna(h) == | |||
You just sent [[:File:Menu HOME 0666-Savanna.png]], but for SV you sent [[:File:Menu SV 0666-Savannah.png]] where the name of the form had additional "h" at the end. Is this a mistake?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:There is no H. I made a mistake in November. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Ok. Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Dragonite's Outrage and move positions == | |||
Just so you're aware, the order of moves does make a functional difference. For example, the order the moves are listed in dictates what moves are known by (regular) wild Pokémon. In games with disassemblies at least, IIRC the algorithm to determine that just goes through that list one by one, breaking at the first move that is too high a level; so it implicitly assumes it is listed in level order. Besides that, the order also makes a difference for things like the move reminder. | |||
I cannot currently verify it 100%, but since Dragonite's Outrage [https://pastebin.com/7qV31Hqa is listed later in that list than to be expected] (it's safe to assume someone at Game Freak just mistyped the level using the numpad), I would expect SwSh/BDSP Dragonite to abide by it such that, for example, the moves shown by the move reminder would not have Outrage in between Dragon Rush and Safeguard, so not as the page suggests after you moved Outrage around. (I've asked in the Discord if someone is able to check it.) Because of this, I would propose your edit to be reverted. | |||
Regarding these kind of hidden notices, I'd urge you to be careful when basically ignoring them. (To be frank, I'd personally say "I don't understand it" is alarming enough of a signal for you to not ignore it, maybe ask around instead.) Moreover, I acknowledge that this hidden notice in particular did not do a good job at doing what it was obviously intending to do, i.e. explaining ''why'' it should not be changed, and encouraging discussion before changing it. (Also in general, I want to point out that hidden notices should be used really ''sparsely''; this being one of the few cases where I think it's reasonable to have.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:You can revert it, but this should absolutely not be a hidden notice. I'm generally against them as well, but it's not like this one in particular explains anything you just laid out here. At the very least it should be a bullet point under the table. I hope it's clear that having 41 in the place of 71 is not intuitive nor should the Move Reminder order take priority over the actual level-up order. I have seen hidden messages that have been flat out wrong or unneeded, and even in this case, I wouldn't say that putting a move learnt at 41 in the 70's is the right move. So I'd personally keep it in ascending order and have the note visible to everyone. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 14:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah as I said I agree the hidden notice was insufficient. | |||
::Anyway, as I said above, I really do think that "the Move Reminder order" (i.e. the order within the actual data) should take priority over the level-up order. This is not the sole reason, but note that otherwise, such information in the table would be lost. (If both orders conflict, the order displayed will necessarily be unintuitive in regards to the order they are ''not'' displayed in. You can sort by level, but not by the actual order.) | |||
::This is of course up for discussion (and any notice should indicate this), but as you already said you're fine with it, I'd really like to have the actual order restored, if that's okay!? (In case you'd want to implement that change, please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I'd much rather keep the level-up order and have a bullet point under the table as I think all other solutions are insufficient. Not necessarily because of having a preference in the ordering, but because it's valuable information for users that we cannot encapsulate in just listing the level up moves in non-ascending order. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Link visibility == | |||
I get what you mean with your link visibility edits, but at the same time, you're removing the colors they should be associated with and make them look rather bland. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I'd rather have them be a bit "bland" than unreadable. Colored text on colored background is unaccaptable, bad web design. Did changing the orange "S" on the fire background or the blue "M" on the water background really result in a worse look? I'm gonna say no. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 20:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Is this an approved edit? Something this notable usually requires a permission. {{unsigned|FinnishPokéFan92}} | |||
:::Yeah, I've been trying to get this approved for months. You are welcome to try and revise tables you find "bland", just make sure you don't use colored text on colored backgrounds. I'll ping you in the Discord channel. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||