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:::::::::::*Deoxys' TM moves (identical but the forms were introduced in different Gen 3 games, meaning they should have sups) | :::::::::::*Deoxys' TM moves (identical but the forms were introduced in different Gen 3 games, meaning they should have sups) | ||
:::::::::::*+noting that only Incarnate Thundurus can learn Smart Strike | :::::::::::*+noting that only Incarnate Thundurus can learn Smart Strike | ||
:::::::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 16:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::I did not move those answers, Tiddlywinks himself did. Even so, it's typically preferred here to have responses all in order. I have done replies nested into the conversation as you have before and knew what you were doing, but someone else moved the response to be in order of when it was made. | |||
::::::::::::Regarding the missing forms, Giratina doesn't need top be listed as there are no differences. Deoxys I may have to check more, as I thought the forms all came at once. Thundurus I will check for Smart Strike eventually, but I'm undecided on whether to split all moves up for it; after all, Tornadus and Landorus would then need that treatment, so I might just note it for the one move. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 14:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Evolution moves == | |||
Do you have a full list of all the evolution moves? In the learnset dumps I've seen from SM, level 1 moves and evolution moves are conflated, so the only way to tell which ones are evolution moves is when the move is both a level 1 move and an evolution move (in which case both need to be listed) or by testing in-game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:My source is another website. I don't know if I can mention it by name but that site has every move double checked and only has one mistake regarding Lombre and Nuzleaf. I don't know how Bulbapedia wants to handle Evolutions Moves but I'm not sure if they are Level 1 moves as well. | |||
:[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 14:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::You should mention it by name, especially if you know that there are mistakes. We do not use information from other websites precisely because they can make errors like the Lombre and Nuzleaf ones you mention, and instead only use information directly from the games. If you're not sure whether moves are just evolution moves or both level 1 moves and evolutions moves, you can check the [http://bulbahandbook.bulbagarden.net/pokemonsunmoon/moves Bulbagarden Handbook] which specifically labels evolution moves (in cases that the move is both a level 1 move and an evolution move). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::I know what they are, I am just not sure if they are learned at Level 1. Pokemon may learn Evolution Moves via move relearner but that doesn't necessarily mean they are Level 1 as well. If all we know, Evolution Moves might be learned by the evolved form at any time, essentially making them Level 1 moves. The ones I added are right, though. There might be some missing, for example Feraligatr and Agility but the ones I added to the learnsets are good. | |||
:::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 15:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::In some lists, the move appears twice as "1". Chances are those are both starting moves and evolution moves. In a couple, I've seen a move three times; not sure what that is. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Please answer what the site you used was. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Do you have an example of an evolution move that is not otherwise a level-up move which can be taught at the Move Relearner? Since you've failed to make a distinction between moves that can be learned at both level 1 and via evolution, and moves that can only be learned by evolution, I'm not sure how you can justify stating that you can relearn the moves because they are evolution moves. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:59, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I've done my share with the learnsets, I'll let you guys figure out the rest. SnorlaxMonster, you misunderstood me. I was just speculating on whether the Evolution Move should be listed as a Level 1 move as well, since there is the possibility that Evolution Moves can be taught at the move relearner at any time. | |||
:::::::Tiddlywinks, I'd rather not do that but you can make a really wild guess. | |||
:::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 16:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Understand that we do need to know which site you used, because if it happens to be a site such as Serebii, we will need to revert all of your edits about evolution moves and check them again. If you continue to avoid naming it, we'll be forced to assume it is such a site and revert all the changes anyway. As you should know, adding information from such a site is strictly against the rules of Bulbapedia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I'm not naming the source. You can revert it if you want but you'd only see yourself adding them back again. You can assume anything but you can't prove it, thus I can't be blamed. I say that you should just revert them all and do it on your own since you won't trust anything that didn't come from the main "testers". I keep randomly checking your handbook and so far every move I clicked had the right Pokemon learning them upon evolving. I'd suggest not removing those. | |||
:::::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 17:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::I'd like to know, is your source for all the learnset data you updated (like [[Special:Diff/2550581|here]]) the same site? | |||
::::::::::And... One last time: tell us the site. You can either tell us or receive a block. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:38, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::I have used multiple sources and the games themselves for the learnsets. Judging by the response SnorlaxMonster gave me, it really doesn't matter what my source is. I don't know what he means by a "site such as Serebii", I assume it means a Pokemon website. I can tell you that it is in fact a Pokemon website. I could also tell you which evolutions moves are already in your handbook and which ones are not, it would take me probably 30 minutes (EDIT: took me even less, I added these that your handbook misses: Eelektross' Crunch, Forretress' Mirror Shot and Nuzleaf's Razor Leaf). You wouldn't believe me, though. So either way, you are going to end up reverting my edits (just to add them back) because it wasn't you who added and found them. I was also expecting at least one thank you for my help and now here I am facing a block. | |||
:::::::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 13:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Understand that we cannot allow plagiarism of other sites' work. Refusing to credit the source (as you are doing for absolutely no reason) is plagiarism. If you actually disclose which site it is, it's possible to ask the people who run the site for permission. (In the case of Serebii, the site's webmaster has explicitly stated in the past that we cannot use his information.) If it's a site that is happy for other people to use the information, then all we need to do is confirm that. | |||
::::::::::::The reason you're facing a block is not for adding movesets, it's because you're refusing to cooperate with the simplest of requests. If it turns out the information is from a site that does not allow its information to be re-used, it is necessary to check every single move edit you've made, meaning more work for everyone than if you had done nothing at all. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:23, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::It's a site that I won't name because I don't want underaged people to visit it (no, not 4chan). The information was crowd-founded then double-checked 98% of the time. I also checked them with every released Pokemon myself meaning that for around 40% of them I can name myself as the source. The thing is that these sites, if correct will have the same information no matter what. Whether that site got some info from Serebii or not I cannot tell. Block me if you want for not giving a source and possibly making 3 mistakes. The information you put there won't be any different (unless you add them as Level 1 moves as well, which currently seems undecided here). | |||
:::::::::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 14:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
Look, if you don't want to name the site publicly, then fine, but actually say that in the first place. You can just [[Special:EmailUser/SnorlaxMonster|privately contact me]] and tell me which site, then let Bulbapedia's staff determine whether or not it's appropriate to share the site's name on here. If you're one of the main contributors, it should be easy enough to get the approval of the owners to re-use the information. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I agree with SnorlaxMonster here. If it's a site that underaged people should not visit, I concur we would be best not to name it as we have a lot of such visitors. But we still need to know what the site is. It's correct that most of the information is already duplicated everywhere, but for information that is unique especially, we need explicit permission to use it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Begging for answers == | |||
[[Special:Diff/3482883|That thing on Force Fire's talk page]] is not exactly desired, and will likely make the talk page owner discard your topic just because of your impatience. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<font color="turquoise">Bfdifan2006!</font>]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<font color="lime">Or is he actually</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<font color="orange">Keyacom?</font>]]</sub> 16:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
:What's done is done. I don't get why it's a big deal to ask for help and redirection from a moderator in a matter in which another mod has voiced their broad support. They had time to respond to others on the page, surely telling me where I could officially submit my suggestions doesn't take 6 days, and in the off-chance that they are waiting to write me a long answer (I don't see why that would be necessary), they could inform me of that. I am serious about my suggestions, and I found that in the real world, it's best to not let these things just sit in the corner. And if they discard my message because I want a very simple answer to a very simple question after 6 days had passed, I don't see how I would be at fault. If it was more obvious how to go about this, I wouldn't even bother individual moderators until the suggestions are completely ready to be submitted for approval. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]] 16:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)''' | |||
::Slightly off-topic, I'd recommend you to put three closing apostrophes (<code><nowiki>'''</nowiki>) at the end of your signature in the [[Special:preferences|preferences]] so the formatting does not flood to the further part of the paragraph (in this case, the timestamp), just like this misplaced <nowiki></code></nowiki> closing tag does.</code> | |||
::Also, I get it why would you beg. I wouldn't call this "begging", but "reminding" so the talk page owner does not forget. I think that's totally fine after all, but if the topic was not touched for 6 months, it's best to start a new one instead. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<font color="turquoise">Bfdifan2006!</font>]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<font color="lime">Or is he actually</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<font color="orange">Keyacom?</font>]]</sub> 17:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah, I'd like to ask you to not use the word "beg". I saw the user being active on the talk page and took a minute from my day to write a reminder. In my view, bureaucrats and moderators have taken on a responsibility, and they should fulfill their roles on the wiki. There was no hostility in it, I would just like an answer, so I could start working on it seriously, because so far, this has been lost time. Time, that could have been spent with work, which seems to be the biggest worry when it comes to this implementation. I understand that they have other things to do, but so do I. I hope they won't seriously take something so small and perfectly reasonable personally, because it has nothing to do with them individually. They are just a part of the process I cannot avoid. I am literally just asking for a link (that should be provided to users already). 6 days already seems like a lot to me for this, and if the appropriate grace period after which I should be resubmitting a question about where to submit things is 6 months, it's best if I don't even bother. Like, these type of things would be unacceptable in any other place, be that a post office or a bank, but even at a smaller wiki (I have plenty of experience with those). | |||
:::Thanks so much for the help with the signature, I was just trying it out, and didn't like how the date was all bold. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 17:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Quick Attack + learnlist entry template == | |||
Thank you for updating {{m|Quick Attack}} learnlist to include PLA data. I was going to do it, but I am now bothered by the fact the {{template|gameabbrev8}} template supports the {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShBDSP}}, {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShLA}}, {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShBDSPLA}} and {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|BDSPLA}}, while the {{template|sup/8}} template doesn't. I asked Tiddlywinks on the Bulbagarden Discord to do it, but they didn't due to no response, so I asked evkl, and I am waiting. | |||
Also, what about the learnlist entry template I am going to make? I think I will finally make it soon because I have no school in the following week. There will be the "May vacation" (May 1-3), and the {{wp|Matura#In Poland|Matura}} exams (May 4-6). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<span style="background:#1de linear-gradient(to right,#1de,#1e3,#e61);background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;color:transparent">Bfdifan2006</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Hi! Yeah, I tried {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|SwShBDSP}} too this time, completely forgetting that I already knew it didn't work with that template. Though if the new headers get approved, we won't need them, thankfully. Could you send me a contact/website where we can chat more fluently (Twitter, Instagram, Discord, something like that)? Stuff like this shouldn't be discussed on talk pages. I think I could better articulate my vision if you can respond to me real-time. Next week might be good for me too, not sure yet. I know I should be free during the first half of June. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
::My Discord account is Keyacom[hash]1936. Note that I replaced # with [hash], because indexed pages can let robots get sensitive information by matching regular expressions, just like with e-mails. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<span style="background:#1de linear-gradient(to right,#1de,#1e3,#e61);background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;color:transparent">Bfdifan2006</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 05:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 16: | :::I sent you a friend invite, we'll talk there alter. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
==Ancient and Future Pokémon== | |||
I can't help but notice you've posted something intended for JoaoBaiao's talk page on their userpage--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, it was an honest mistake, I thought I was creating their talk page. I didn't try to remove it, because there is no point in that. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 22:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Question == | |||
What's the point of that "style="font-family:monospace,monospace" you add to so many pages? It adds so much text that I start to think that if it is something necessary, it would've been better if it was a class so you would only need to write "class=n".--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 14:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Just trying to make all templates follow what we see on The National Dex page. I use the parameters I found in that template, if you know a way it can be shortened, I'm happy to hear it. It's dead simple to replace the text. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::I would rather change one page than everything else for such tiny cosmetic detail. Is this staff approved?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I am just following the most recently updated template. It's nicer looking so I assume that's the prefered layout. Staff didn't revert any of the changes made to these big pages, so I assume I am in the clear. Your issue is that not all of the list pages use pre-made templates, in those cases I need to add the paramter to all individual lines which can have a largely unnoticeable bloating effect. I asked staff to implement it with all the templates (for the sake of consistency and superior looks), they said they would look into it and asked for specifications, but nothing happened. They either forgot or ghosted. I seldom get an answer from them so I just do what I can do hoping one day they respond. Once again, it's dead simple to replace it with something simpler, if it exists. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Yea, I have the same problem with the staff. They don't seem to be organized enough to be able to make such decisions. Well, do what you think is best and we will see.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Have you ever tried contacting them on Discord? I might start trying to contact them there, becuase I have a lot of proposals that just need a simple answer. I find talk pages really ineffective and old-fashioned, which must be a reason why most sites don't use them anymore. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::I'll try that next time. Thanks. I just think that deciding about bulbapedia without being on bulbapedia is like missing the whole point.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Savanna(h) == | |||
You just sent [[:File:Menu HOME 0666-Savanna.png]], but for SV you sent [[:File:Menu SV 0666-Savannah.png]] where the name of the form had additional "h" at the end. Is this a mistake?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:There is no H. I made a mistake in November. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 15:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Ok. Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 15:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Dragonite's Outrage and move positions == | |||
Just so you're aware, the order of moves does make a functional difference. For example, the order the moves are listed in dictates what moves are known by (regular) wild Pokémon. In games with disassemblies at least, IIRC the algorithm to determine that just goes through that list one by one, breaking at the first move that is too high a level; so it implicitly assumes it is listed in level order. Besides that, the order also makes a difference for things like the move reminder. | |||
I cannot currently verify it 100%, but since Dragonite's Outrage [https://pastebin.com/7qV31Hqa is listed later in that list than to be expected] (it's safe to assume someone at Game Freak just mistyped the level using the numpad), I would expect SwSh/BDSP Dragonite to abide by it such that, for example, the moves shown by the move reminder would not have Outrage in between Dragon Rush and Safeguard, so not as the page suggests after you moved Outrage around. (I've asked in the Discord if someone is able to check it.) Because of this, I would propose your edit to be reverted. | |||
Regarding these kind of hidden notices, I'd urge you to be careful when basically ignoring them. (To be frank, I'd personally say "I don't understand it" is alarming enough of a signal for you to not ignore it, maybe ask around instead.) Moreover, I acknowledge that this hidden notice in particular did not do a good job at doing what it was obviously intending to do, i.e. explaining ''why'' it should not be changed, and encouraging discussion before changing it. (Also in general, I want to point out that hidden notices should be used really ''sparsely''; this being one of the few cases where I think it's reasonable to have.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:You can revert it, but this should absolutely not be a hidden notice. I'm generally against them as well, but it's not like this one in particular explains anything you just laid out here. At the very least it should be a bullet point under the table. I hope it's clear that having 41 in the place of 71 is not intuitive nor should the Move Reminder order take priority over the actual level-up order. I have seen hidden messages that have been flat out wrong or unneeded, and even in this case, I wouldn't say that putting a move learnt at 41 in the 70's is the right move. So I'd personally keep it in ascending order and have the note visible to everyone. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 14:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah as I said I agree the hidden notice was insufficient. | |||
::Anyway, as I said above, I really do think that "the Move Reminder order" (i.e. the order within the actual data) should take priority over the level-up order. This is not the sole reason, but note that otherwise, such information in the table would be lost. (If both orders conflict, the order displayed will necessarily be unintuitive in regards to the order they are ''not'' displayed in. You can sort by level, but not by the actual order.) | |||
::This is of course up for discussion (and any notice should indicate this), but as you already said you're fine with it, I'd really like to have the actual order restored, if that's okay!? (In case you'd want to implement that change, please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I'd much rather keep the level-up order and have a bullet point under the table as I think all other solutions are insufficient. Not necessarily because of having a preference in the ordering, but because it's valuable information for users that we cannot encapsulate in just listing the level up moves in non-ascending order. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 16:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Link visibility == | |||
I get what you mean with your link visibility edits, but at the same time, you're removing the colors they should be associated with and make them look rather bland. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I'd rather have them be a bit "bland" than unreadable. Colored text on colored background is unaccaptable, bad web design. Did changing the orange "S" on the fire background or the blue "M" on the water background really result in a worse look? I'm gonna say no. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 20:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Is this an approved edit? Something this notable usually requires a permission. {{unsigned|FinnishPokéFan92}} | |||
:::Yeah, I've been trying to get this approved for months. You are welcome to try and revise tables you find "bland", just make sure you don't use colored text on colored backgrounds. I'll ping you in the Discord channel. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#D64933">Oneofthosedf</span>]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#2877AC">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|<span style="color:#64B823">(contribs)</span>]]''' 21:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||