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 I see the problem here, poor communication. When I said "What about Wally and Lyra/Ethan", I wasn't arguing that Corphish HAD to be Tierno's starter. I was saying even if you disregard Tierno, there are other trainers whose starters were shown in the games yet aren't included in the template. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 23:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
+:But you used Tierno as the first person you thought of. In addition, you keep calling Marill Lyra/Ethan’s starter without any evidence besides it being the first Pokémon we saw them with--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 00:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+::I thought the fact that both Tierno and Lyra/Ethan were shown with only one Pokémon at the beginning of the story was evidence enough, but eh. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 01:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::That’s like saying Goldeen was Misty’s starter in the anime. Heck, Brock was first seen with Geodude, but Onix was his first Pokémon--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 01:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+::::You could say the same about Wes' Espeon and Umbreon. We don't know if those were his starters. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 15:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+I should mention that I said "player" meaning  "game only". Anime characters are excluded, the template clearly shows this. I also said "intended" for the player, meaning Eevee counts. LGPE isn't an issue as Eevee is still a starter Pokemon the player can choose.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 06:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+:Saying that "Having been being intended for the player" is a requirement sounds like an arbitrary rule to me. If you look at official starter group shots that include all starters from the mainline games up to that point, Eevee is ''never'' included, showing that it's not officially considered a starter Pokémon anymore than other rival-only starters as far as the main series is concerned:
+http://www.pokemon.co.jp/withU/resource/images/top/main-circle.png
+https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/cb/MainSeriesStarters.png
+:Of course, it would probably be considered one ''now'', but only the LGE incarnation, not the Yellow and LGP incarnations. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 15:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
+::It's not an arbitrary rule, it's an exception that is made based on the story of the game (in this case Yellow, where Oak was intending to give the player the lone Poke Ball on the table).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 15:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::Sounds more like some subjective fan criteria that isn't supported by official sources, going by the fact that they didn't consider Eevee a starter from the pics I posted. It doesn't matter if Oak intended to for it to be Red's starter in the story; it ''wasn't'' the player's starter, gameplay or story wise. I think Eevee should be removed altogether (except for the LGE incarnation) and we should list only player's starters. Unless you have proof that Game Freak sees Yellow!Eevee as a starter but not the other rivals' starters? [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 23:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::::The other rivals’ starters are usually still among the three you get to choose from. That’s why “other rivals’ starters” won’t get removed.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 23:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
+::::::I was referring to the other ''rival-only'' starters, which ''aren't'' listed here. You can't remove what isn't here. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 23:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
+So there's no evidence whatsoever that official sources consider Yellow!Eevee a starter like the others? If not, I think it should be removed. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 08:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+:Please stop. You’re fighting a losing battle.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 20:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+::Such a well-thought, productive response. If I'm "fighting a losing battle", then how come no one has been able to a) present evidence that Yellow!Eevee is officially considered a starter any more than the other rivals', or b) explain why it's absent from the official starter group pics I posted? [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 08:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::Of course it’s not considered a starter any more than any other rival's starters. They’re equal. The other rivals' starters are already in the template. Or are you still insisting Corphish is Tierno’s starter Pokémon?--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 08:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
+::::Wally's Ralts isn't. And there's no more evidence for Espeon and Umbreon being Wes' starters than there is for Tierno's Corphish. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 08:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Flexbox ==
+I would suggest using a CSS flexbox instead of a table for the list of boxes. I made the template for that: [[User:Bfdifan2006/Starter Pokémon]]. Is this good for the mainspace?
+Additionally, the style tag in the header in the current version is not closed, causing the header to not be roundy. I fixed this in my version of the template, and this should also be fixed in the official version. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<font color="turquoise">Bfdifan2006!</font>]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<font color="lime">Or is he actually</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<font color="orange">Keyacom?</font>]]</sub> 10:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
+== Rearranging the current template ==
+I think it would be a good idea to slightly rearrange the template to place "Paldea" starters before all the miscellaneous starter groups from divergent games like Yellow, Let's Go, and Legends: Arceus. Paldea is one of the standard mainline regions like Kanto to Galar and should be grouped closer to them accordingly. So I think the template being like this is more appropriate.
+{| cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{{{{1|grass}}} color}}; border: 2px solid #{{#if: {{{2|}}}|{{{{{2}}} color}}|{{{{{1|grass}}} color dark}}}}; {{roundy|15px}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{{{{1|grass}}} color light}};" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Starter Pokémon|000}}
+|-
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{kanto color}}; border: 2px solid #{{kanto color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Kanto|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|001}}</div><br>{{p|Bulbasaur}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|004}}</div><br>{{p|Charmander}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|007}}</div><br>{{p|Squirtle}}
+|}
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{johto color}}; border: 2px solid #{{johto color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{johto color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Johto|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|152}}</div><br>{{p|Chikorita}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|155}}</div><br>{{p|Cyndaquil}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|158}}</div><br>{{p|Totodile}}
+|}
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 2px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Hoenn|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|252}}</div><br>{{p|Treecko}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|255}}</div><br>{{p|Torchic}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|258}}</div><br>{{p|Mudkip}}
+|}
+|-
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{sinnoh color}}; border: 2px solid #{{sinnoh color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Sinnoh|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|387}}</div><br>{{p|Turtwig}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|390}}</div><br>{{p|Chimchar}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|393}}</div><br>{{p|Piplup}}
+|}
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{unova color}}; border: 2px solid #{{unova color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{unova color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Unova|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|495}}</div><br>{{p|Snivy}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|498}}</div><br>{{p|Tepig}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|501}}</div><br>{{p|Oshawott}}
+|}
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{kalos color}}; border: 2px solid #{{kalos color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{kalos color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Kalos|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|650}}</div><br>{{p|Chespin}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|653}}</div><br>{{p|Fennekin}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|656}}</div><br>{{p|Froakie}}
+|}
+|-
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{alola color}}; border: 2px solid #{{alola color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{alola color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Alola|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|722}}</div><br>{{p|Rowlet}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|725}}</div><br>{{p|Litten}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|728}}</div><br>{{p|Popplio}}
+|}
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{galar color}}; border: 2px solid #{{galar color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{galar color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Galar|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|810}}</div><br>{{p|Grookey}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|813}}</div><br>{{p|Scorbunny}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|816}}</div><br>{{p|Sobble}}
+|}
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{pokemon color}}; border: 2px solid #{{pokemon color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{pokemon color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Paldea|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | [[File:0906Sprigatito.png|48px|link=Sprigatito (Pokémon)]]<br>{{p|Sprigatito}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | [[File:0909Fuecoco.png|48px|link=Fuecoco (Pokémon)]]<br>{{p|Fuecoco}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | [[File:0912Quaxly.png|48px|link=Quaxly (Pokémon)]]<br>{{p|Quaxly}}
+|}
+|-
+| width="25%" |
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{yellow color}}; border: 2px solid #{{yellow color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{yellow color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="2" | {{colorlink|Pokémon Yellow Version|000|Yellow}}
+|-
+| width="50%" height=90px style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|025}}</div><br>{{p|Pikachu}} <small>(player)</small>
+| width="50%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|133}}</div><br>{{p|Eevee}} <small>(rival)</small>
+|}
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{orre color}}; border: 2px solid #{{orre color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{colo color light}}" class="roundyleft" | {{colorlink|Pokémon Colosseum|000|Colosseum}}
+! style="background: #{{xd color light}}" class="roundyright" | {{colorlink|Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|000|XD}}
+|-
+| width="50%" height=90px style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">[[File:196MS6.png]][[File:197MS6.png]]</div><br>{{p|Espeon}} and {{p|Umbreon}}
+| width="50%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|133}}</div><br>{{p|Eevee}}
+|}
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{Let's Go Pikachu color}}; border: 2px solid #{{Let's Go Pikachu color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{Let's Go Pikachu color light}}" class="roundy"  colspan="2" | {{colorlink|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|000|Let's Go, Pikachu!}}
+|-
+| width="50%" height=90px style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|025Pa}}</div><br><small>{{ga|Partner Pokémon|Partner}}</small><br>{{p|Pikachu}} <small>(player)</small>
+| width="50%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|133}}</div><br>{{p|Eevee}} <small>(rival)</small>
+|}
+|-
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color}}; border: 2px solid #{{Let's Go Eevee color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="2" | {{colorlink|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|000|Let's Go, Eevee!}}
+|-
+| width="50%" height=90px style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|133Pa}}</div><br><small>{{ga|Partner Pokémon|Partner}}</small><br>{{p|Eevee}} <small>(player)</small>
+| width="50%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|025}}</div><br>{{p|Pikachu}} <small>(rival)</small>
+|}
+|
+{| width="100%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{legends arceus color}}; border: 2px solid #{{legends arceus color dark}}"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{legends arceus color light}}" class="roundy" colspan="3" | {{colorlink|Hisui|000}}
+|-
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyleft" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|722}}</div><br>{{p|Rowlet}}
+| width="34%" style="background: #FFF" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|155}}</div><br>{{p|Cyndaquil}}
+| width="33%" style="background: #FFF" class="roundyright" | <div class="overflow-ms">{{MS|501}}</div><br>{{p|Oshawott}}
+|}
+|}
+This would be a more appropriate template, as Paldea is formally the ninth core series region and its trio should be grouped at the top three rows with the other eight core series region starter trios accordingly, with all miscellaneous starter groups from divergent trios below. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 17:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)