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== Using the Template == | == Using the Template == | ||
<pre> | <pre> | ||
{{PokémoncardInfobox | | {{PokémoncardInfobox | ||
cardname= | | |cardname= | ||
jname= | | |jname= | ||
jtrans= | | |jtrans= | ||
image= | | |image= | ||
caption= | | |caption= | ||
evostage= | | |evostage= | ||
type= | | |type= | ||
hp= | | |hp= | ||
weakness= | | |weakness= | ||
resistance= | | |resistance= | ||
resistance2= | | |resistance2= | ||
retreatcost= | | |retreatcost= | ||
species= | |species= | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion|type=|expansion=|rarity=|cardno=}} | {{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion|type=|expansion=|rarity=|cardno=}} | ||
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:What exactly needs changing? Everything's there, I don't see that there's anything wrong with it. [[User:Cipher|<font style="color:#1874CD;">'''''Cipher'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Cipher|<sup style="color:#003F87;">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | :What exactly needs changing? Everything's there, I don't see that there's anything wrong with it. [[User:Cipher|<font style="color:#1874CD;">'''''Cipher'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Cipher|<sup style="color:#003F87;">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Maybe there should be a link to the page [[Retreat cost]]. [[User:Bulbapedian2187|<span style="color:#0368FF">'''Bulbapedian'''</span>]][[User Talk:Bulbapedian2187|<span style="color:#0214FF">'''2187'''</span>]] 18:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
== I'm nitpicking here, but... == | == I'm nitpicking here, but... == | ||
Could someone please add margins to here as well as | Could someone please add margins to here as well as TrainercardInfobox? I'm probably going to die if I see another TCG article with the [edit] links too close to the edge of the infobox. D: '''<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">~ <span style="color:#6c8b21;">ove</span><span style="color:#a1cf31;">rgr</span><span style="color:#c0df75;">own</span>'''</font><sup>[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]</sup> 05:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
:This template is the next one to get updated, and it is extremely soon. It won't be looking like this for very long. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 13:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC) | :This template is the next one to get updated, and it is extremely soon. It won't be looking like this for very long. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 13:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Set it so typing in ex in the field yields italics... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | Set it so typing in ex in the field yields italics... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Doesn't it already? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 15:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | :Doesn't it already? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 15:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Never mind then... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 13:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
== LEGEND Logo == | |||
I've uploaded a new LEGEND Logo. The only difference between this new one ([[File:Pokémon LEGEND.png|LEGEND]]) and the old one is that I've also cleared the white background for Es, G and D. - [[User:Plau|plau]] 16:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
== A little thing == | |||
I think it would be really useful if there was a link somewhere here to the Pokémon shown on the card's species page. It's kind of annoying that neither this page, nor the page under the "card name" link, link to the Pokémons species page. I think it would be nice to add it on. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 19:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:It's in [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/Footer]]. I'm not too familiar with our TCG pages, but I believe that footer is, or should be, used on most or all of our card pages. Right? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Wow. I feel stupid now. I still feel like that isn't on all the pages, though. Maybe I'm just remembering wrong. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 19:46, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::The footer is used on every card page because every card has an expansion it was released in. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 22:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::I...don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean it's automatically added to every page, or is that just a side note? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 22:21, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Red GX== | |||
Is it possible to add Red GX into class section? [[User:Kubson302|Kubson302]] ([[User talk:Kubson302|talk]]) 17:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:We need to see whether or not this is a distinct class of cards that has any actual gameplay difference or not first. Additionally, it is significantly important to take everything into consideration before adding a ton of bells and whistles to our templates. This new type of card is officially named ''Ultra Beast GX'', not "Red GX", so we will have to double back and correct any fanmade terms used on the articles before moving forward with any more additions. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 17:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I'm almost sure that they were called "Red GX" during World Championships, but I might be wrong. Thanks for answer, anyways. [[User:Kubson302|Kubson302]] ([[User talk:Kubson302|talk]]) 17:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::The only literature I can find is the Japanese website [http://www.pokemon-card.com/products/sm/sm4/sm4_000847.html here] calling them ウルトラビーストGX. Everywhere else, like the English website and the livefeeds from the event, says something like, Ultra Beasts, or "They". We can add the features, I just am not looking forward to adding them again. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 17:52, 19 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
== evoname2 field? == | |||
Blissey-ex UF and Scizor-ex UF evolve from one of two different Pokemon - should there be an optional evoname2 field to handle this? (Note that in all of these cases the evospecies is the same for all options, so there's no current need for an evospecies2). [[User:Mteorman|Mteorman]] ([[User talk:Mteorman|talk]]) 01:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Suggestion: We should add a "Retreat Cost" category to the template == | |||
Basically implementing a "Pokémon cards with Retreat Cost of 0/1/2/3/4" category on the template, which can be toggled by inputting the appropriate number in the "retreatcost=" query. I think Retreat Cost categs are a really useful thing to have on the wiki, especially since we have quite a handful of cards that work based on Retreat Costs (eg. {{TCG ID|Astral Radiance|Feather Ball|141}}, {{TCG ID|Next Destinies|Heavy Ball|88}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Card 151|Onix|95}}). [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 05:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
== M Pokémon EX isn't official, change to Mega Evolution == | |||
Exactly what it says on the tin. Turns out, the EX-ness of all Mega Evolution Pokemon is merely implied. Card text, the rulebook, and the glossary insist that the term is Mega Evolution Pokémon, and Mega Evolution Pokémon-EX, while used, is likely a mistake. This means that [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvomegaEX]] is displaying the wrong thing. It says "M Pokémon-EX". So this is the request to change that over [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 15:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
Alright, lets try this again. Let's put all the proverbial cards on the table, so that we come to an accurate conclusion. | |||
Every Pokemon card has to have a stage. But... what are those stages called? Back in the Neo and E-card, cards printed "[Stage] Pokemon" in the stage field, and this wiki went with this kind of naming for cards. Evolution cards additionally printed just "[Stage]" We can see many examples, and we'll copy them into this page so that everyone can verify. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ Neo & E card | |||
|- | |||
! Meganium (Expedition) !! Flaaffy (Aquapolis) !! Slugma (Neo Revelation) !! Cleffa (Neo Genesis) | |||
|- | |||
| Stage 2 || Stage 1 || N/A || N/A | |||
|- | |||
| Stage 2 Pokemon || Stage 1 Pokemon || Basic Pokemon || Baby Pokemon | |||
|} | |||
For convenience's sake, let's call the first of these, "short name Stage" and the second, "long name Stage". But more commonly (as in, in every other series), Stages on the cards are printed only using the "short name Stage", "[Stage]" no matter if it is an Evolution card or not. While not a traditional stage, this argument is supposed to be about Mega Evolution cards from XY, so we'll throw two of them and one Primal here for comparison. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ Other series | |||
|- | |||
! Alakazam (Base Set) !! Whiscash (EX Deoxys) !! Milcery (Rebel Clash) !! (Archen (Noble Victories) !! M Heracross EX !! M Mawile-EX !! Primal Groudon-EX | |||
|- | |||
| Stage 2 || Stage 1 || Basic || Restored || MEGA || MEGA || MEGA | |||
|} | |||
(The cards of Mega and Primal Pokemon have the same stage, but there are two different templates. The one for Mega, [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvomegaEX]] says M Pokémon-EX and the one for Primal, [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvoprimalEX]] says "Primal Pokémon-EX". But... they're the same stage. We'll get back to this.) | |||
But but, long name Stage is still seen when card text references the stages of card. See these examples for both non-Mega and Mega cases: | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ Cards referring to Stages | |||
|- | |||
! Big Air Balloon !! Gapejaw Bog !! Noivern ex !! Mega Turbo !! Faded Town !! Clawitzer (Steam Siege) !! Stantler (BREAKpoint) | |||
|- | |||
| N/A || N/A || Covert Flight: 70 || N/A || N/A || Mega Boost || Big Charge: 30+ | |||
|- | |||
| The '''''Stage 2 Pokémon''''' this card is attached to has no Retreat Cost. || Whenever either player puts a '''''Basic Pokémon''''' from their hand onto their Bench, put 2 damage counters on that Pokémon. || During your opponent’s next turn, prevent all damage done to this Pokémon by attacks from '''''Basic Pokémon''''' || Attach a basic Energy card from your discard pile to 1 of your '''''Mega Evolution Pokémon'''''. || At any time between turns, put 2 damage counters on each '''''Mega Evolution Pokémon''''' || Once during your turn ''(before your attack)'', you may attach a Special Energy card from your hand to 1 of your '''''Mega Evolution Pokémon'''''. || If you have any '''''Mega Evolution Pokémon''''' on your Bench, this attack does 50 more damage. | |||
|} | |||
Our card infoboxes use "long term stage" in all cases, even though that's not what is on actual cards. For instance, [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/Evostage1]] reads "Stage 1 Pokémon". But it is still in one sense correct, as per these effects calling by for "long term stage". These are infoboxes for specific objects though, so I would actually favor using "short term stage" for them, since that's what is on the card object. But this is a tangent. | |||
(Given this, also it's kind funky that [[Template:TCG Evolution]] displays Baby Pokemon as "Baby Pokemon" but every other stages as just "[Stage]", like "Basic" and "Stage 1". Considering long name Stage still exists for every stage, we might as well use the long term in this navigation box. There clearly isn't a maximum width (see Anime characters) and wiki favors consistency (see swapping decklist card type indications from "Tool" to "PT".) But this is also a tangent.) | |||
Now back to the topic, [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvomegaEX]]. Neither Pokemon cards nor cards referencing stages use "M Pokémon-EX". That's what's in the infobox, but it doesn't line up with "short term Stage" or "long term Stage". It also fails a text search on Pkmncards. I checked TCG Live, there's simply no equivalent there; only a filter for the "MEGA" stage. | |||
Additionally, there are two rulings from the Compendium which point out that Mega Turbo and Faded Town affect the Primal Pokemon as well, since they have the same stage. ([https://compendium.pokegym.net/ruling/1088/ here] and [https://compendium.pokegym.net/ruling/1003/ here]) This indicates that Mega Turbo and Faded Town are indeed checks on the Stage of a Pokemon, because how else do these cards function as per the rules? It can't be a name check, because Primal cards don't share name structure. It also probably isn't a check against the internal evolution chain list, because these cards don't say "evolves" anywhere on them. So for these cards to work, cards depicting Mega Evolution and Primal Reversion must have the same Stage. Which is "MEGA" or "Mega Evolution Pokemon", as per their cards. | |||
All of this is to say that the name of the Stage in [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvomegaEX]] should be the "long term Stage" of "MEGA", which is "Mega Evolution Pokemon". And the same goes for [[Template:PokémoncardInfobox/EvoprimalEX]]. (How did that get "Primal Pokemon-EX" anyway!? Like, the cards say MEGA on them, why in the world would their Stage not include the phrase "Mega" somewhere in it? I can only assume people were not paying attention.) (Cards referencing Mega Evolution Pokemon did only start coming out after the initial sets, but it's been nearly a decade since. At some point, it would have made sense to double back and confirm things.) [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:33, 9 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::We'll fix this in the infobox rework. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 15:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC) | |||