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 ''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
-: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
+: {{redlink|File:Alpha kurusu.png}}[[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
 : --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds?==
-[[File:183Marill.png|150px]][[File:Alpha honouguma.png|150px]][[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]]<br>
+[[File:183Marill.png|150px]]{{redlink|File:Alpha honouguma.png}}[[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]]<br>
 Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 :Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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 Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?
-[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]
+{{redlink|File:Alpha kurusu.png}}
 [[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
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 -Take out the word "designs", these are unused Pokemon, not unused "Pokemon designs".
 --[[User:Horsecooker|Horsecooker]] ([[User talk:Horsecooker|talk]]) 20:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
+-Drednaw from the upcoming Gen VII bears a lot more resemblance to the unused pokemon than Tirtouga.
 == Space World demo leak ==
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 ::::There's a reason these things are anonymous. We have no idea how anyone would have gotten their hands on these pieces of Pokemon history. Pokemon has confirmed that they look back at old concepts and such for inspiration, so the only way I see it getting out is blatant theft. And if the person revealing the Beta and Assets did give their name, they'd more than likely lose their job and suffer legal consequences. [[User:LeapingRiolu|LeapingRiolu]] ([[User talk:LeapingRiolu|talk]]) 21:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 :::::Regardless of anonymity, both these leaks are real. And yes, I suppose that "it's highly unlikely we'll get official sources for it," but at this point, we shouldn't need Gamefreak to magically come down from the sky and spoonfeed us the truth. Anyone can tell from looking at these leaks, especially the RG assets, that they're real, without any room for doubt. Unless, again, Helix Chamber has a time travel machine. This is more than just a "small snippet"; this is cold, hard evidence that proves the veracity of both. Let's not let our personal opinions hurt Bulbapedia. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#004EA2">cela</span><span style="color:#B60007">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
+::::::I have to agree, there's no doubt the leaks are legit by this point. Waiting for confirmation from official sources or Famitsu is asinine, game companies rarely if ever confirm the veracity on such leaks. It seems to me that this place is just inexperienced at dealing with beta leaks. The proof brought up already proves they're not fake; even The Cutting Room Floor, which ''does'' have experience at the subject of leaks, prototypes and scrapped content, has accepted them as legit. Stop being so headstrong in the face of proof. [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 06:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 == Admins -- is Gen 5 betamon info all rumors? ==
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 Cheers admins,
-Dr Lava
+Dr Lava {{unsigned|Dr Lava}}
+:Ultra-ironic if true. -{{unsigned|ArchdevilAntidote}}
+::-[http://blog.livedoor.jp/shellspider/archives/696157.html#more]
+::-[http://rpgland.com/2010/11/30/pokemon-black-and-white-scans-interview-in-nintendo-dream/]
+::-[https://web.archive.org/web/20111119031953/http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=4142]
+::-[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_unused_Pok%C3%A9mon_and_character_designs&diff=1660923&oldid=1653669]
+::-[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Hydreigon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Official_source._Hydreigon_is_based_on_a_Japanese_dragon.28YAMATA_NO_OROCHI.29.] (User Sawamular cites Nintendo Dream volume 205 as his source, he posted the same message on pokemon talk pages relevant to the Gen 5 beta)
+::-[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hydreigon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1448591]
+::-[https://forums.serebii.net/threads/official-pokemon-discussion-thread.467053/page-459#post-12163722]
+::--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:08, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
+{{indent}}Thanks ForceFire for the links, much appreciated. Of the 7 links you gave me as sources for the Gen 5 Pokemon's altered designs, one of them was in Japanese, one referred to the Nintendo Dream issue as being the February 2011 instead of May, #19 was just a user citing the May issue for the Yamata no Orochi quote but nothing else -- and well, I found the whole collection to be useful but still a little confusing and unclear. The most useful one was a non-ideal translation on page 459 of a Serebii forums thread, which is basically ungooglable. That said, I don't mean to come off as jerky here -- I know you're working with what you've got and I'm impressed you even had this much, and I appreciate your taking the time to provide me these links.
+I think this particular Sugimori interview is probably the most important interview that deals with Gen 5 altered Pokemon designs, so I had the interview's Japanese transcript properly translated into English, and a Japanese friend was able to provide me with a picture of volume 205's page that has the information about Hydreigon, Sawk, Throh, and the Forces of Nature trio. '''I've compiled the original Japanese transcript, the English translation, pictures, and provided context for the interview, and added it all to my website in an easy-to-read article.''' I also included a special thanks section that thanks you ForceFire for providing valuable links, as well as to Shellspider, the original transcriber, and a link to the archive of his old blog. Several other folks who helped put it all together are thanked as well at the end of the interview's translation. Here's the link: http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream/
+I hope that this link can serve as a more convenient, accessible, and accurate source for these "altered design" entries on the "unused Pokemon" page. Like I said, '''I think this particular Sugimori interview is really important, and information about it is incredibly difficult to find, even with Google. And I think it needs to be preserved and easy to access, particularly for folks who don't speak Japanese.''' Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to help me find this stuff ForceFire. Sorry if I formatted this post wrong -- I couldn't figure out how to make it a reply to your previous comment, so I just put it here. Cheers. -Dr Lava [[User:Dr Lava|Dr Lava]] ([[User talk:Dr Lava|talk]]) 11:56, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
+:The other staff members also contributed in finding those links, I just relayed the information. A majority of those links all cite the same one source: Nintendo Dream. I've added the information into the altered Pokemon section, linking your site as a reference. I'll eventually get to adding the information to the individual articles.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 08:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
+== Another Nintendo Dream interview translation with Sugimori ==
+I had another Ken Sugimori interview translated, this one from Nintendo Dream volume 204. Here's the link: http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream-2/
+And here are the highlights as it relates to this "unused Pokemon" page:
+"Petilil and Lilligant were originally meant as a three-stage evolutionary line."
+"Stunfisk was born out of the designer’s desire to create the flattest Pokémon. At first he was modeled after a goosefish, was blue in color, and was dual-type Water and Electric, but during the balancing phase of development, his type was changed and he ended up resembling a flounder." This page currently states he was an angler fish. A goosefish is technically a type of angler fish, but I think most folks think of an angler fish as round, but a goosefish as flat. Idk, maybe that's just me.
+"Originally Dwebble and Crustle’s shells were supposed to be made from kiln-fired pottery, which would have made them ‘Furnace Pokémon.’ But we ended up revising the shells and giving them sharper angles, because we thought the original designs looked slow and awkward."
+About the Litwick family: "The original concept was to create a Pokémon family that starts as a flame, then a candle, and finally a lamp. But the idea that a flame evolved into a candle wasn’t really working, so we ended up switching the candle’s position to make it the family’s first form."
+I talked to SnorlaxMonster on Twitter -- he told me there were a few of you guys in an admin group chat that scrounged up those links you sent me before. Very much appreciated. Cheers ForceFire. [[User:Dr Lava|Dr Lava]] ([[User talk:Dr Lava|talk]]) 19:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
+[June 19, 2019 edit]
+I had the interview from Nintendo Dream volume 201 translated as well, here's the link: http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream-3/
+The main highlight, at least as far as beta Pokemon, is the section about Karrablast and a scrapped snail Pokemon once meant as Karrablast and Escavalier's rival, or more likely a 2 stage family of snails.
+== Unpictured ==
+The sheep that we thought could be Flaaffy or Mareep... could also be Wooloo (and if it evolves, maybe whatever it evolves to). --[[User:OPStellar|OPStellar]] ([[User talk:OPStellar|talk]]) 20:29, 3 August 2019 (UTC)OPStellar
+== Hoppip's beta name ==
+Please add that {{p|Hoppip}}'s beta name was {{tt|ハネコ|Haneko}} '''Haneco'''. Thank you. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|<span style="color:#2b2">'''TheICT'''</span>]][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|<span style="color:#22b">'''Liker'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|<span style="color:#b62">'''4'''</span>]] 07:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
+== Gengar & "Nidorino", Omega and Gyaoonh ==
+Change Nidorino to unknown creature. Nidorino was created way after 1990. Nidoran ♂️, Nidoran ♀️, Nidoking, and Nidoqueen were created in 1990. The creature appears to shair traits with Gyaoon as well. Only 30 pokémon were created in 1990, as seen in Capumon documents which also included Omega, which was a robotic tyrannosauroid based on Mecha Godzilla. Omega was first seen in Satoshi Tagiri manga, where most of it's sprite and name was covered up. It was finally seen in December 2018 when the second Capumon sprite page was revealed in an NHK broadcast. It originally used Blastoise's cry, which was seen when in the Gameinformer video interview with James Turner, Gyaoon's cry was also revealed to have been Ivysaur's  It may have been a counterpart to Gyaoon as Gyaoon's name is an onomatopoeia for Godzilla's roar. Gyaoon was later moved to slot 31 based on leaked prototype data for Red & Green. The origin of the files is from a hacker that hacked nintendo's servers. This is also where the Spaceworld 1997 G&S Prototype and the Gen 4 beta sprites originated from.
+[[File:OmegaNHK.png]]
+[[File:Gyaon2.png]]
+[[User:Kingdedede|Kingdedede]] ([[User talk:Kingdedede|talk]]) 01:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
+Well, it seems more clear that everything that was leaked is real. Where the editors at? --[[User:Flashlight237|Flashlight237]] ([[User talk:Flashlight237|talk]]) 05:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
+== Prisman ==
+The [[Media:June 1997 CoroCoro p32-35.jpg|June 1997 issue of CoroCoro Comics]] included a "Pokémon 2 Idea Contest". As an example of the kind of designs entrants might like to submit, CoroCoro included a design for a hypothetical Pokémon called "Prisman". [https://hirespokemon.tumblr.com/post/176957044281/probably-by-junichi-nihei-%E3%83%8B%E7%93%B6%E6%B7%B3%E4%B8%80-published-in Hi Res Pokémon] has a translation of its details. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Bandana ==
+You don't spell 'bandana' as 'bandanna'. Please fix. Could [[Template:Anchor|anchors]] be added as well please?--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] ([[User talk:Tmwps|talk]]) 16:07, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
+:Either spelling is acceptable. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 16:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
+== Page update ==
+I think this page is in need of an update. We've started putting up [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld '97 demo|some info on the Spaceworld '97 demo]], and (currently at least) the policy there is not to draw any comparisons between those beta Pokemon and the final ones. I'd love to include a mention of or at least a link to that page on this one, but that policy kind of throws a wrench into how this page works. We'd need to remove a couple of those here.
+Additionally, I think this page could use some just general cleaning. The TrainerPoké template honestly doesn't look great here. My current vision is to change this from a "list" article to a general, more prosey article on unreleased designs, sorted chronologically/by game rather than its resemblance to current Pokemon.
+It might also be a good time to bring up some of the other leaked assets, too, since that was over a year ago now. I'm less concerned about Spaceworld '99 here-- that can get its own page-- and more about [https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver/Sprites some of the prerelease sprites].--[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 00:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
+== Did you know gaming ==
+Did you know gaming just did a video on this topic with the original translator of pokemon and has several you seem to be missing on this page. Actually on that note, the leaked beta seems to have a few (by a few i mean a decent amount) also not listed here. --[[User:J spencer93|J spencer93]] ([[User talk:J spencer93|talk]]) 15:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
+:See [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld '97 demo]] --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
+== Many Scrapped Gen I and II Pokémon ==
+How come a lot of scrapped Generation I and II Pokémon like Kotora and Raitora (resembling cute electric tigers) and Twinz (supposedly a pre-evolved form of Girafarig, resembling a two-headed ghost) aren't mentioned here? {{unsigned|Jjliang}}
+:This page probably needs an update to mention them, but they're at [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld '97 demo]]. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 17:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
+== Add this ==
+[[File:RacieB-konyaart.jpg|This is a scrapped Meowth pre-evovlution]]
+Its under the working name of Konya
+[[User:TreeckoLiker|TreeckoLiker]] ([[User talk:TreeckoLiker|talk]]) 16:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
+== Gengar source ==
+Do we have a source linking the monster on the cover of the Capsule Monsters book to Gengar, or is that just reasonable speculation? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 20:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)