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See [[Talk:Beta Pokémon games#Move proposal]] and the previous discussion. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
See [[Talk:Beta Pokémon games#Move proposal]] and the previous discussion. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
== sprite ==
as shown in [http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?587796-Beta-Pocket-Monsters-Blue-(Aka-Red-amp-Blue)-Sprites this image], the sprites are different. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 04:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
== New page title. ==
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The template that suggests that this article must be moved to ''Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow'' is wrong. There is:
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| '''It has been suggested that this article be moved to {{red link|Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow}}.'''<br>Please discuss whether or not to move it on its <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAME:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}} talk page]</span>.
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But there should be:
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| '''It has been suggested that this article be moved to {{red link|Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green and Blue}}.'''<br>Please discuss whether or not to move it on its <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAME:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}} talk page]</span>.
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This is because the page about the Yellow beta version is separate from the main page. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 18:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)</s>
:TheICTLiker4's (Keyacom's) new account made this change in the template included in this article, on 16:47, 26 April 2021‎: [[Special:Diff/3349295]]. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<font color="turquoise">Bfdifan2006</font>]]'''''<sub>[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<font color="lime">something to say?</font>]]</sub> 14:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
== Pidgeotto / Pidgeot pre-release names ==
Hello! Somebody recently posted [https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/mbuf2m/i_found_stickers_sent_to_me_in_1996_by_nintendo/ this thread] on the Pokemon subreddit which shows a sticker sheet with some pre-release Pokemon names. Most of these names are consistent with what Bulbapedia lists in this article, but something that one user pointed out is that the stickers suggest that Pidgeot was originally named "Pidgeott" while Pidgeotto was still named Pidgeotto. This differs from what's currently written on Bulbapedia, which says that Pidgeotto was named "Pidgeot" and I guess implies that Pidgeot was also Pidgeot. I looked into the edit history of the article and noticed that it also used to say Pidgeott like the sticker, but this was changed [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Green_beta&diff=prev&oldid=2808229 in this edit] on June 15, 2018. I think the editor who made the change assumed that Pidgeotto was named Pidgeot based on [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/9c/Generation_I_prototype_English_names.jpg this poster] pictured in the article, but the poster is limited to seven characters per name for some odd reason (hence why it says "Charman" instead of Charmander) which would explain why "Pidgeotto" and "Pidgeott" would have both been shortened to "Pidgeot." Due to this, I believe the linked 2018 edit was erroneous (though understandable) and should probably be reverted unless I'm missing something. [[User:ItsIzumi|ItsIzumi]] ([[User talk:ItsIzumi|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
:That makes perfect sense, so I've restored the extra "t". Thanks. (Worth noting that the [[Special:Diff/1572634|original addition]] of "Pidgeott" was apparently not based on that poster either.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
== Pre-release: Pokémon names ==
I came across [https://i.redd.it/oas9hehh8zh51.jpg this early Club Nintendo poster] posted on [https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/icpont/an_old_poster_with_the_original_150_pokemon_with/ Reddit] a couple years ago that appears to have a number of inconsistencies with the beta names listed on here. In particular, Pidgeotto is mislabeled as "Pidgeott" and Pidgeott - which became Pidgeot - is not listed at all. Furthermore, the Australian poster appears to be from an even earlier stage in development - one where character restrictions were still a concern and some names had an even earlier localization, some of which are not noted on the beta page. I've compared the differences I've noted in detail below:
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Early Name Comparisons
|-
! AU Poster !! Club Nintendo !! Bulbapedia
|-
| Charizr[d]<sup>1</sup> || Charizard || Not Listed
|-
| Catterp[ie] || Caterpie || Not Listed
|-
| Kokoon || Metapod || Not Listed
|-
| Metapod || Kokoon || Not Listed
|-
| Beedril || Beedril || Not Listed
|-
| Pidge || Pidge || Pidge
|-
| Pidgeot[?] || Pidgeotto || Pidgeott
|-
| Pidgeot[?] || Pidgeott || Not Listed
|-
| Nagahis[?] || Arbo || Arbo/"Nagahis"
|-
| Nagaasp || Arbok || Nagaasp
|-
| Sandstorm || Sandstorm || Sandstorm
|-
| Aria || Aria || Aria
|-
| Ariala || Ariala || Ariala
|-
| Ninetai[ls] || Nine Tails || Ninetai/Nine Tails
|-
| Pudding || Jigglypuff || Pudding
|-
| Custard || Wigglytuff || Custard
|-
| Ladish || Oddish || Ladish
|-
| Parasyt[e] || Parasyte || Parasyte
|-
| Digda || Digda || Digda
|-
| Flamie || Flamie || Flamie
|-
| Blaze || Blaze || Blaze
|-
| Aqua || Poliwag || Aqua
|-
| Aquanau[t?] || Polihirl || "Aquanau"/Polihirl
|-
| Aquamar[ine?] || Poliwrath || "Aquamar"
|-
| Hocus || Hocus || Hocus
|-
| Pocus || Pocus || Pocus
|-
| Karate || Kara-tee || Kara-tee
|-
| Kungfo<sup>2</sup> || Kung-foo || Kung-foo
|-
| Judoh || Ju-doh || Ju-doh
|-
| Vicrtee[bel?]<sup>1</sup> || Victreebel || Not Listed
|-
| Jilly || Jilly || Jilly
|-
| Manowar || Man O War || Man O War
|-
| Gallop || Gallop || Gallop
|-
| Slowmo || Slowmo || Slowmo
|-
| Coil || Coil || Coil
|-
| Recoil || Recoil || Recoil
|-
| Fowler || Farfetch'd || Fowler
|-
| Dodo || Dodo || Dodo
|-
| Manaty || Manaty || Manaty
|-
| Spirit || Spirit || Spirit
|-
| Spectre || Spectre || Spectre
|-
| Phantom || Phantom || Phantom
|-
| Sleeper || Drowzee || Sleeper
|-
| Kingle || Kingler || Kingle
|-
| Eggstre[me?] || Exeggcute || "Eggstre"
|-
| Eggscut[e?] || Exeggutor || "Eggscut"
|-
| Orphon || Orphon || Orphon
|-
| Guardia || Guardia || Guardia
|-
| Lee || Hitmonlee || Lee
|-
| Chan || Hitmonchan || Chan
|-
| Tonguet[yd] || Tonguetyd || Tonguetyd
|-
| Ny || "NY"<sup>3</sup> || Ny
|-
| La || "LA"<sup>3</sup> || La
|-
| Lucky || Lucky || Lucky
|-
| Medusa || Meduza || Meduza/Medusa
|-
| Goldy || Goldy || Goldy
|-
| Neptune || Neptune || Neptune
|-
| Starmie || Staryu || Not Listed
|-
| Staryu || Starmie || Not Listed
|-
| Mrmime || Mr. Mime || Not Listed
|-
| Stryke || Stryke || Stryke
|-
| Skulkraken || Skulkraken || Skulkraken
|-
| Ness || Ness || Ness
|-
| Morpho || Ditto || Morpho
|-
| Eon || Eon || Eon
|-
| Vaproeo[n]<sup>1</sup> || Vaporeon || Vaporeon
|-
| Poregon || Porygon || Poregon
|-
| Ess || Ess || Ess
|-
| Kargo || Kargo || Kargo
|-
| Att || Att || Att
|-
| Lantis || Lantis || Lantis
|-
| Ptera || Ptera || Ptera
|-
| Dragoon || Dragoon || Dragoon
|-
| Dragyn || Dragyn || Dragyn
|}
Considering [https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/mbuf2m/i_found_stickers_sent_to_me_in_1996_by_nintendo/ this Nintendo Power sticker collection] also corroborates the Club Nintendo poster, I think any missing beta names should be fully documented in this article. For the sake of history, it may be worth documenting that some names appear to have changed at an earlier stage than others.
<sup>1</sup>Possibly a typo.
<sup>2</sup>Unless this is an error, it does appear his name was originally "Kungfo" and not "Kungfoo." The original character restriction was seven characters, "Kungfo" is only six characters.
<sup>3</sup>Considering Pokémon names are always capitalized in-game, and were capitalized on the Club Nintendo poster and Nintendo Power stickers, I have to wonder if "Ny" and "La" were meant to always be capitalized considering their names were based on New York (NY) and Los Angeles (LA).
[[User:Shadowel|Shadowel]] ([[User talk:Shadowel|talk]]) 16:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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