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==cross-generational evolution==
==cross-generational evolution==
Should this be added to the [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Should this be added to the [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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As we have done it earlier with Magneton and Magnezone;
As we have done it earlier with Magneton and Magnezone;
Eevee and Sylveon are in a evolution family which differs the great difference in NATdex ,being 567. [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Eevee and Sylveon are in a evolution family which differs the great difference in NATdex ,being 567. [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:Nah, I don't think that's notable. I read Magnezone's page and couldn't find the note. If it was removed, probably not notable enough. Although the removal of that note could have been because of Sylveon. Actually no it wasn't because I just checked the last revision before Sylveon's introduction and that note wasn't there. And besides, all cross-gen evolutionary relatives have a great difference in National Dex numbers. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
== Biology section edit summary ==
Sorry about the unfinished edit summary; I accidentally hit Enter in the middle of it, so I'll put this here instead. I was going to say, "'Dainty' is opinionated language, and per Crystal Talian's edits to other Eeveelutions including Espeon, try to avoid naming them as specifically feline." Sorry! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
== Sylveon is feline, not canine. ==
Okay, Crystal Talian – here is my thesis about why [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]] as well) should be described as ''feline'' in this Wiki . . .
It is quite obvious to me that [[Sylveon]], [[Espeon]], (and ''all'' of the [[Eeveelutions]], as a matter of fact) are feline. They do possess long ears, but that alone does not prove that Sylveon are canids. Their slender, delicate body structures, blunt, dainty, muzzles and faces, and small triangular noses clearly resemble traits of felines. Canids, on the other hand, typically have long, distinctly pointed snouts and larger, bulkier body structures.
Let me compare true canine and vulpine Pokémon to the distinctly catlike [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]).
First, we have [[Houndoom]]: it clearly resembles a canine, specifically a domestic dog. It has a bulky, muscular body structure and a long, bulky pointed muzzle with a large nose. Also, its blunt claws, visible on its large, bulky feet, cannot be retracted. Note that canids’ claws are always visible because they cannot retract them, whereas felines’ claws are retracted in their natural, calm state.
Next, another dog Pokémon is [[Arcanine]]: like [[Houndoom]], it is very bulky and muscular in body structure, with a long, distinctly dog-like muzzle.
Now, foxes, which are canids (specifically vulpine), although comparable to Sylveon according to some of you (based on the ears???), are also very different. I don’t believe you can use the ears in any Pokémon to identify its species, because with most Pokémon, the ears seem to be extraordinarily designed, and in some cases have no connection to the rest of the body structure (note Houndoom’s horns.)
Another point about the extraordinarily long ears of the [[Eeveelutions]] to consider is this: they may not be explicitly cat-like, but they are not really fox-like, and especially not dog-like, either. As a matter of fact, the extraordinarily long ears of [[Eevee]] and its evolutions are more rabbit-like than anything (but no one even considers this obvious feature).
Let’s compare Sylveon to real, confirmed fox Pokémon (vulpines), such as [[Fennekin]], [[Braixen]], and [[Delphox]].  [[Fennekin]] and its evolutions have very distinct, long pointy muzzles. Sylveon clearly lacks such a long fox-like muzzle. Sylveon’s muzzle, as I have pointed out, is very blunt and catlike – not at all bulky, long, or even remotely canid in appearance. The ''[[Fennekin]]'' family is based on Fennec foxes, but [[Sylveon]] and [[Espeon]] are clearly not, based on their feline body and facial structures as opposed to the canine/vulpine body and facial structures of the [[Fennekin]] line.
And a little side note: interestingly, in the Pikachu short-film that features Sylveon, Meowth is shown to be madly in love with Sylveon. I highly doubt Meowth, a cat Pokémon, would be attracted to a dog Pokémon. . .
I urge you to thoroughly check the pictures of the Pokémon I’ve compared, make comparisons to [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]) versus the real, confirmed dog and fox (canid/vulpine) Pokémon, and note and consider the distinctions I am making. 
I think that it is far too general to state that Sylveon and Espeon are merely “mammalian”. It is also inaccurate to place “foxes and dogs” before “cats” in Sylveon's origin section, as if this Pokémon resembles a canid ''more'' than it resembles a feline. That is incorrect if it is indeed a ''combination'' of the felid-canid species. In that case, since it is more ''feline'' in overall appearance, feline should come first. Who’s being biased here?
I am only trying to post accurate information based on the obvious physiological traits of the [[Eeveelutions]].  You do want this Wiki to contain accurate information, don’t you? Let’s keep our emotions out of this. It’s not about favoritism at all. It’s about accuracy.
P.S. Just to let you know, I am well aware that I have just as much right to edit this page as you do. But I am going to be courteous and await your response to your suggestion of discussing it on the talk page. If I don't get a courteous response back from you in 24 hours, then I will exercise my right to edit the Wiki page as I see fit, based on my thorough analysis of this Pokémon’s physiological traits.  --[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 00:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The first thing I want to address here is your attitude toward the end of your statement. Yes, you have every right to edit this Wiki. However, you are expected to respect decisions made by staff of this Wiki -- of which I am a member. So when you are asked nicely to not to do something by staff, you should not do it until a decision has been made and the okay is given, regardless of how long it takes.
:That said, I can address the physiological traits of Eevee and its evolutions. While I go through, I am actually going to encourage you to be unbiased and realize that there is more than one way to look at things and that many, many Pokémon have their basis in a collection of animals, not just one kind.
:The short, blunt muzzles of the Eeveelutions are indeed feline, as you pointed out. However, small paws are not necessarily feline, nor is a slim body structure. Foxes have small paws and slim legs, and the {{wp|Maned Wolf}} has a very slim structure overall. Furthermore, many larger felids, such as lions, have truly massive paws that are not in the least tiny. As for their claws, most of the Eeveelutions do not appear to have claws one way or the other, so an argument about retractable claws really is not valid. In addition, some felids, such as the cheetah, have only semi-retractable claws.
:Now let us address some other common Eeveelution traits. For example, a brushy tail, this is possessed by Eevee itself, Flareon, Umbreon, and even Sylveon to an extent. This trait is distinctly and almost famously vulpine. The ears of most Eeveelutions, as you pointed out, are more rabbit-like than anything else. This trait is neither feline nor canine, but it is still mammalian. Additionally, Eeveelutions lack the slit pupils common in most small cats. Instead, they have round pupils, common to not large felids, but also canids and many other mammals. Even the vocalizations of these Pokémon in anime range from sounding like barks (as in Jolteon) to a more mewing quality (as in Espeon).
:The point about a cat Pokémon being attracted to a dog Pokémon is, to be honest, a little silly. They are still in the same Egg group, and animals of origin do not necessarily have anything to do attraction.
:I honestly think that Sylveon, Eevee and all the Eeveelutions are a collection of traits from cats, dogs (including foxes), rabbits, and other animals. I feel that it is most fair to address them as simply "mammalian" rather than distinctly feline, canine, vulpine, rabbit-like or any other specific animal. You are welcome to add more to the discussion, of course, and I will mention this to other members of staff. However, I do ask that you not make any changes until you are given the okay on it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 01:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I disagree wholeheartedly (the [[Eeveelutions]] look nothing like maned wolves), and I honestly think that you are being biased against the cat family. It is as if you are in denial and will not even consider making the articles more accurate, even though it is strikingly obvious that Sylveon, Espeon, and many of the Eeveelutions are indeed more feline than anything else.
(By the way, in one series of the Pokemon manga, Jolteon is shown to be extending its claws, like a cat, while preparing for battle.)
But since ''you'' have higher privileges on Bulbapedia, I suppose there is nothing I can do to provide more accurate information without you nitpicking and reverting all of my edits constantly as if I am vandalizing the page . . .
I believe that it is appropriate to remove "dogs" from Sylveon's Origin section (because it looks ''nothing'' like a domestic dog), and move "cats" before "foxes", and remove that it is "most likely based on a fennec fox", as ''we already know that the [[Fennekin]] family is based on fennec foxes'' and Sylveon does not resemble the Fennekin family in any way.
I mean, you can tell by this image of Sylveon (from a different angle), that its dainty sitting position is reminiscent of a domestic cat:
[[File:700Sylveon Dream 2.png]]
I also believe it is appropriate to remove "Fennec fox" from Espeon's Origin, as it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that Espeon might be based on a fennec fox, considering there is already pretty solid evidence that it is indeed based on the mystical two-tailed nekomata cat from Japanese folklore.
I will indeed make these minor, harmless edits to the origin sections of those pages. Sorry if it bothers you so much. . .
I just tried to help make the Wiki more accurate. I ''know'' that the [[Eeveelutions]] are based on felines (with extraordinary chimerical features), but it seems that no one wants to admit this fact.
---[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 19:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:You say Sylveon is "obviously" feline? I couldn't honestly call it anything but "feminine" and I guess "mammalian". The Eeveelutions are all over the place. Your "knowledge" is not absolute, just another fan's opinion and not necessarily more accurate than anyone else's. The only hard "facts" are what the developers want to divulge. Short of that, you have to hope for consensus. (And here, for now, you do not have it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
::As you can see above, many people see the Eeveelutions as nothing more than furry animals. I've heard it from others that, for them, they don't look like either dogs or cats. The fact that dogs are listed before cats has nothing to do with one being more influential than the other, and origins are almost never absolute or just one thing. I told you to wait until you were given the okay, and you didn't. The origins are fine the way they are for now, pending change on input from other using and staff. I'm not nitpicking, I'm also doing my best to ensure accuracy. Try to be a little more open-minded about the origins here. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 21:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
== Max Exp ==
The Max Exp That Sylveon can have is 1M (1,000,000) [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 20:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
== umm.. is this trivia worthy? ==
Sorry I'm new here,but I noticed that sylveon is the only eeveelution that does not have a resistance to its own. Am I incorrect,or has this been mentioned before?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
== about abilities... ==
so Sylveon's Hidden ability is "Pixilate", but how do you get a Sylveon with hidden ability? will an Eevee with Anticipation (its hidden ability) when evolved to Sylveon automatically become Pixilate Sylveon? --[[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 18:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] ([[User talk:MetalMetroid997|talk]]) 19:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:: aha, thank you so much! I ponder if maybe this information should be clarified on the "abilities" page, e.g. something like "Pokémon with the hidden ability x will evolve into Pokémon with hidden ability y" for situations where x and y do not have overlapping or identical abilities/hidden abilities. Another example that comes to mind is Oblivious Numel evolving into Magma Armor Camerupt. I feel that this is information that is sort of information is lacking/should be researched and should be recorded somewhere. But if in a table on the ability page or on each pokémon's individual page, I am not sure. [[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 22:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
:::It is mentioned on the [[Ability]] page: "When a Pokémon evolves, its Ability slot remains the same." Hidden Ability is an Ability slot. [[User:Litwick96|<span style="color:purple">Litwick</span>]][[User Talk:Litwick96|<span style="color:grey">96</span>]] 22:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
== Possible Sylveon origin? ==
(Sorry, I'm new to this)
Hello! I know that discussions regarding Eeveelution's design origins can be a bit messy... however I did a bit of searching here and there, and I think it's a possibility that Sylveon could be based on the Moon Rabbit myth, and to an extent, the Leporidae family?
I'll explain to you my reasoning for this:
-Compared to the rest of the Eeveelution's pointed ears, one of Sylveon's unique traits are it's large rounded ears, making it bear a resemblance to jack rabbits.
-Sylveon's "signature" (by signature, I mean a move that Sylveon is always depicted with in trailers, spinoffs and the anime) move is moonblast, connecting to the moon rabbit mythical.  Ken Sugimori has even drawn official art showcasing Hydreigon and Sylveon, with the latter dropping down from the sky and burrowing it's power, creating the illusion that Sylveon came from the moon itself.
-Moon rabbit has always been depicted to be white to mirror the color of the moon and the rice cakes that it makes.  While the Pokedex describes Sylveon to be pink, the majority of it's body is colored to be white, as the pink can only be seen in minor areas, such as the face and tail.
-Sylveon's tail has some resemblance to the Viscacha rabbit's tail, both are long enough to curl even in a relaxed state.
-In PK25, "Eevee and Frien--[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 16:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)ds," Sylveon's icon was shown to be egg shaped.  Perhaps the Easter Bunny is a possible origin as well?
-Furthering the Easter rabbit theory, the folkloric figure is sometimes depicted with clothes.  Sylveon is the only eeveelution to be illustrated with accessories, having feelers disguised as ribbons.
And that's my observation so far! Under no circumstance do I think it's 100% true and canon, however I do believe that it could explain the few traits that Sylveon possesses, and it can clear things up a bit.
--[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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Err, is there a reason why someone keeps adding 'It also has a mix of other mammalian traits, such as those of cats and foxes,' to the origins section?  I understand that Eeveelutions are supposed to be a mixed mammal of some sort, but I feel as if the moon rabbit is more plausible and less confusing, as it has ties to the relationship between fairies and the moon, as well as how Sylveon's ribbons are a reference to Chang e's robe.
--[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 16:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
:That would be me. It's because Sylveon, like all Eeveelutions, is not clearly based on any one animal. The moon rabbit is perfectly plausible, but Sylveon is definitely not 100% rabbit in any way shape or form. The most rabbit-like thing about it is the origin history and its ears. That doesn't take away from its other mammalian traits; cats in particular. The addition doesn't take away from the moon rabbit origin at all, just adds on an additional note regarding its physical appearance. Remember, most Pokémon aren't based on one thing and one thing alone, but a combination of things. There is absolutely no reason not to have it there. In fact, it's kind of a misrepresentation to ''not'' mention those traits. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 16:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Oh ok! I was actually a little confused, since the origins hasn't been touched for a while now, and the change that was made is recent, but I understand your side of the argument, and I'll be sure to leave it alone! However, I feel as if Sylveon's features are too small and delicate compared to the fox, but that's for another story and not very important aha.  Again, sorry for the confusion!
--[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 16:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
== Official art ==
What happened to Sylveon's official art that's displayed on the beginning of the page? The lineart for it's leg is missing, is there a reason for that?
--[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 20:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
:That's just how the artwork is.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:45, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
"That's just how the artwork is."  It was never like that since it would look like as if the picture was unfinished and the other wiki's had a different version from it, but ah, it looks like it's been fixed now and back to it's original state from before. --[[User:Stardustskittles|Pika Pika Pi~!!]] ([[User talk:Stardustskittles|talk]]) 22:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
== Broken Link ==
Sylveon and other eevee evolutions have broken links in section "By transfer from another generation" to generation before their introduction.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 20:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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