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 ==I Have a New Idea!==
 Hi! I just joined to help! I have a new idea for one. How about Brock and Autumn. I also have a suggested name for it! How about...
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 :No, I don't read fanfiction.  Never have, never will.  So are you telling me that it's an intentional misspelling because they couldn't think of a different name for it?  BTW, BrunettShipping only gets, like, 53 hits on Google.  BrunetteShipping gets 152.  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 16:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
-:For one, that's infuriating. And wrong. How 'bout this: you go {{s|List of shippers|here}}, ctrl+F 'brunett' and pay attention that ''that'' list wasn't updated since May of '07. And cascade posted that 'fic in Feb of '08. No, I'm not backing down from this. I know the bloddy difference between brunet, brunette, and brunett. Gary/May is listed as Brunett. Give it up. Please.
+:For one, that's infuriating. And wrong. How 'bout this: you go {{redlink|List of shippers|here}}, ctrl+F 'brunett' and pay attention that ''that'' list wasn't updated since May of '07. And cascade posted that 'fic in Feb of '08. No, I'm not backing down from this. I know the bloddy difference between brunet, brunette, and brunett. Gary/May is listed as Brunett. Give it up. Please.
 :And yes, it was an intentional misspelling. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 16:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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 == Redirects ==
-Please don't put up redirects for the deletion because "the search bar can tell where the capitalization is".  If we were to delete all of the redirects such as [[Advanceshipping]] you've been putting up for deletion, then we'd be leaving redlinks where page content links to that redirect.  This is because the search bar is smarter than the article bodies, and we don't cater redirects exclusively to the search bar.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
+Please don't put up redirects for the deletion because "the search bar can tell where the capitalization is".  If we were to delete all of the redirects such as [[AdvanceShipping]] you've been putting up for deletion, then we'd be leaving redlinks where page content links to that redirect.  This is because the search bar is smarter than the article bodies, and we don't cater redirects exclusively to the search bar.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 :So it'll lead to a redlink on an article; if a link is entered incorrectly, a user would fix it to be correct. By having redirects with lowercase "shippings", which is my only beef, isn't that saying that users who edit can just leave the 'S' uncapitalized and screw the uniformity of the Shipping article requirements? No one takes a missing accent over the "e" lightly; why should this? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
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 ::::::@ CK: Having your own opinion on something is not the same thing as yelling in all caps at people. You should also take in consideration others' feelings. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 00:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 :::::::I don't yell anymore. I'm worried that if I do, I will be infiblocked. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Bronze">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 00:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+::::::::Again with the "I know". And I can stand that. Deleting Clingy is /fine/, so was Forina. Deleting Origin, however, is a mistake: it's got grounds for means and context that simply isn't recorded in there yet, and if you knew 'shipping, you'd know that. What the hell, on the professionalism of that topic starter, BTW? Because you might treat shipping notability like any other, but I know you're against 'shipping entirely to begin with and wouldn't mind tossing the entire collection, if given the choice. So may I ask, are you the best choice to be leading this parade? In all sincere honesty? How unbias are you being? Not questioning your power, or your right to it (that's all fine; I don't argue that, nor do I challenge it), but as a person and your own feelings on the matter. And you, CK, don't need to be either a kiss-ass or a screamer; there's a grey area, I swear there is. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+(resetting indent)I was not chosen by anyone to lead anything. I'm just a user (who happens to be an admin, it's irrelevant) who thinks some of these articles are not notable, so I start discussions on their talk pages. If I get enough support and EB approval for a certain ship, I delete it. Yeah, I admit, if it was up to me, the shipping namespace would be down to 10 articles, tops, but it's not up to me. Nor is it up to you. We're a community - that means we make these decisions together. Now, if you really think Origin should stay, then explain why on its talk page, don't give me some cryptic sentence here about how it has "grounds for means and context". If you don't give actual reasons, don't complain later when the page gets deleted. If you do give reasons and we decide to keep it, well, good for you. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">electAbuzz</span>''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']] 00:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+:But it's because you're an admin that people are predominantly going to agree with what you believe, like CK here, who's only trying to get on the admins' good side, as he admitted above. It's also a pseudo-domino effect: what one person thinks and then does, it's suddenly alright to have that opinion, even if they were completely indifferent before, and not necessarily because they believe it should be done, but it's also nice to know that, seeing as we're a community, that you wouldn't contact me that this was going down, and I have to find out after I come home, and feel because it is being done, it's futile to fight back against the inflow of opinion. Because, you know, you're an admin. No one's going to think you're doing this "as a user" and not as "an admin". PLs just sit pretty, after all. You'd think, as a community, you'd also get the opinion of the one whose overseeing the articles and is up to their eyeballs with the subject matter, instead of getting the opinions of users who aren't. And not just me, mind. It might be a process, but did you even ask which ones are definitely not notable? I'll tell you.
+:Castle, Energy, XDRival, Breast, Jovian, Machisaki, Team, Spyro, ShootsDown, and Pander, some of which you already have campaign for. The rest, you honestly shouldn't. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:17, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+:I agree. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Bronze">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 01:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+::Buzz is offline for now, so ill step in and say something. he is right in that he doesnt do anything without EB consent first, even going as high as checking with evkl if no one is around. some of these articles arent just bordering on pointless/questionable notability, but they are completely empty of useful content. if someone creates a bad article, we delete it. ive had to do just that about 3 times this week. some of these ships have little to no information in them. its not a matter of how many people like them, theres no point in them existing if theres nothing to say. should someone tell you if theres a question about its notability? yes, but the ones that are simply vacant in content, well empty pages arent useful, and in turn are not notable. theres no real need to check with anyone because theres nothing at stake. if you really want to save all these articles you crave to need, then fill them with information. but even then, Shipping is fanon and on a wiki, based on facts, its hard to justify their place, however, thats a notability standard even above the EB, so the best we can do is not make it look like ass. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 01:42, 3 October 2009
+:::And so what about the ones that are somewhat vacant, even if they are notable (the ones I fear for the most)? ChikoShipping is sadly as empty as can be, but it's as notable as PokéShipping, because a big part of Chikorita's character was her infatuation with Ash (just as it's apart of Misty's characterization). The same can be said of Aipom and HatThiefShipping. And some 'ships are just starting out as of the DP saga even if they don't have enough content. What do you do for those? Are they not notable even when they have room to grow and possibly could? Delete them only to have to redo the article because something major happened? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+::::honestly, yes. while i think a ship between a character and Pokemon is absurd in its own right (relationship =/= loyalty), the rule is, if you cant create a good full article right off the bat, then dont. as i said, theres no point in having "this is a ship between X and Y. they like each other." and thats it. it doesnt even explain ''why'' people follow the ship. it just tells people it exists. these shipping articles are more like definitions than articles. they could all be condensed onto one page without losing any spec of information, and without taking a massive amount of room either. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 02:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+:::::I'd like to see you tell that to the supporters of the big 'ships. The 'ships themselves might not be fact, but the in-media hints they use are. The only thing that differs between mainspace and shipping articles is that interpretation is allowed on those facts. The "why suchandsuch is supported" is never important; that's opinion in and of itself and would never be allowed; the facts of action is what either speak for the 'ship or don't change anyone's mind. Its relevance to the circumstance is important, however, in the case of things like Contestshipping and Fireshipping, being character and episode subplots respectively. Accord, Aegis, and Repulse are directly connected to the advance of the 10th movie, Dedicate was some cute one-off crush for May to not reciprocate, and same for Kissshipping, and even that one isn't confirmed to be one-sided (meaning harmless flirtation over real first-sight feelings). Ability, Morpheus, Alto, and every other crush-on-Ash are related to the characters of the episode(s) in question, as is all the one-sided main-character 'ships (since it's the main characters that are involved, even if they aren't doing the involving). Canon 'ships should have their due, because they ''are'' fact, and all one-sided 'ships bask in the canonical status as being factual in some way, for someone (Brock's daily crushes not withstanding). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+::::::youre talking about things that i wasnt talking about at all, and you have therefor lost me. but if it came down to it, id have no problem telling supporters of a ship that their ship is crap, and/or the article for their ship is crap. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 02:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
+<nowiki>[Resetting indent]</nowiki>I think I should throw in my rationale. Luna, you have to divorce your feelings for shipping in general - which I profess to know next to nothing about - with Bulbapedia's overarching standards for quality and notability.  We can't sacrifice our standards to keep a segment of the fan base happy.  If people are that interested in Chikoshipping, '''they'll make an article for it.'''  We aren't hostile to ships.  We are hostile to articles that are not of even acceptable quality and clog up the site.  This isn't an attack on you or the work you do, but you and I have talked numerous times and agreed that a handful of ships are outrageous on face, simply there because someone can contrive it.  I think narrowing the number of articles will allow contributors to focus on the more viable ships, and as they grow, the smaller ships will pop up again, and then they will get filled in, and the section will expand out.  It's worth noting that Bulbapedia itself only opened with 114 articles. There were, if memory serves, 386 pocket monsters at the time.  You grow from a core outwards; right now the Shipping space is paralyzed by sprawl, with too few contributions and daunting tasks facing it.
+I recommend a setup in which we condense all ships who have articles at "small stub" level into a handful of list articles. Viable stubs and full articles are kept. People work on the viable stubs and the big articles. If someone wants to expand a subsection in a list article, once it's meaty enough to be spun off into a viable stub, we do that. I think that'll benefit your overarching goals--an expanded, high-quality shipping space--and ours, a neat, clean, and easy-to-approach section of Bulbapedia. -- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 16:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
+:Deth, you try working under duress when you're sick; I realized what I said wasn't what you were getting at, but I was too tired to change it, or make an amendment. For that, I'm sorry.
+:Evan, I just don't want to lose what little information there is for the more prominent 'ships (by popular definition or not); you know that's my stance from the last time we talked. Whether it's shuffled into a make-shift list like the nevermet 'ships or just left alone, as long as it's somewhere to be seen and likely added to. If that's what what you mean by 'list articles' (the nevermet list), then I only ask that I have what was deleted from Greenshipping, so as to make a PiPiPi manga 'ship list (too few and they're all small). It's one of the few I didn't c/p before deletion. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
+::I agree with you completely. As we transition small stubs to lists, we'll preserve them in their entirety.  This may present a bit of a formatting challenge but I'll get people to think up ways to make sure everything stays together.  We won't reduce an article of two sentences to "___shipping; shipping between A and B" in a list. We'll keep the full two sentences, or however much there is.  I think at this point the biggest issue is twofold; one, we need to determine what constitutes a viable stub, and two, we need to determine a way to categorize all of these new to-be-removed stubs into very intuitive lists.  I'm looking forward to your ideas. -- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 03:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
+:::At your request, Luna, the content of the GreenShipping page before deletion, minus the templates and such, was:
+:::<code>'''GreenShipping''', in the context of the {{pkmn|manga}} [[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]], refers to a romantic relationship between the brothers [[Pistachio]] and [[Peanut]].<br>No evidence exists for such a pairing, as Pistachio and Peanut interact only once in the entire ten-volume series, when Peanut introduces Pistachio to [[Hazel]]. This lack of interaction, however, has lead some fans to speculate as to exactly ''why'' they don't interact.</code>
+:::Listing them by canon would probably be a good idea, although some ships are cross-canons. We could have a "list of ships in Pokémon Special", for example, where the big ones (Special, MangaPoké, Choosen, Frantic, Graceful, MangaQuest? I'm not sure) will be links to the main article, and the small ones will be ''instead'' of the current article. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">electAbuzz</span>''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']] 12:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
+::::If they can make it more creative then what I got in the nevermet article, please, I implore it.
+::::And that's what I was thinking, in the list idea. Graceful would have been linked from the "canon ship" article and the lesser ones like Balance made into tiny blurbs. If it fit the subject, a link would be appropriate. Though if you guys want to start on that, you'll have to do it. I'm, unfortunately, looking at a backlog of small projects for my classes and won't be too available to make any great progress in that department for the next foreseeable week and a half. =\ Price of graduating: gotta do it the best way possible. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
+::::Ach, damn, my manners. Thank you, buzz. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
+== Dirty Ships ==
+me and Trom were going over our list of articles needing improvement, and i came upon a handful of ships. one of which i outright deleted because it contained 4 warning tags, and less than a sentence of information (it was also obsolete due to evolution). i would like you to look at these ships and determine if they are worth keeping. if so, please clean them up, or maybe get someone else to.
+* {{redlink|Shipping:BlueShipping}}
+* Shipping:CurtainShipping
+* {{redlink|Shipping:HoennShipping}}
+* Shipping:JailShipping
+* Shipping:SmotherShipping
+* {{redlink|Shipping:SundaeShipping}} - this one has a lot of info, but its a huge wall of text, and has been since its creation in 2007. its also pedophilia, but i guess shipping is no holds in that respect.
+also, {{redlink|Shipping:History of Pokémon shipping}} article is on the list and it is massive with multiple problems, seems like an important article to seemingly forget. anyway, thats all for now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 00:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
+:Nix Smother, Jail, and Curtain. Blue does have multiple episode hints, but no one's been paying any attention to them. And no, the nature of 'shipping rarely stops the masses from supporting it (the majority of supporters [which yes, are a minority] don't support Sundae ''because'' it's pedophilia, or else Brandon/Ash would have been huge); but if you haven't noticed, some 'ship articles do have walls of texts, because that's the best way to get the relationship across. Hoenn, hang on to. I've a feeling I'm going to be combining articles once I'm privy to the time for it (List of player ships, which would be player/player and player/rival). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
+== DayDreamShipping ==
+Hey, I made {{redlink|DayDreamShipping|the page}}, so do you want to take it off the list? I didn't want to without permission.--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 20:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
+== Lists of ships ==
+I was thinking, maybe it will be simpler if we code a nice roundy template for each "box" you use in those lists....? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">electAbuzz</span>''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']] 13:54, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
+:Roundy corners would be so nice. D: Have at? *couldn't figure out roundy corners to save her life* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
+::{{Template|Shipping}}. {{redlink|Shipping:List of nevermetshippings|There}}. There's still a slight glitch (the romanized names are bolded for some reason I can't figure out), but it works. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">electAbuzz</span>''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''<span style="color:#ED9121">z</span>''']] 15:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
+:::=O *pulls a shocked!Pearl Fey* That is so cool. And I assume you did figure out the bolding thing; their names are italicized from what I see. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
+==Project Shipping==
+Hey im new here...um so can i b part of Project Shipping? I kno lotsa ships and can find evidence for them. Sorry for seeming like a pathetic noob. As matter of fact i am. {{unsigned|emovampire1}}
+:That's fine. You don't actually have to ask permission, however. Just add your name to the bottom of the list and help where you can. And sign your name with the four tilde (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
+==  <nowiki>[[Category:Shipping|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>  ==
+ <nowiki>[[Category:Shipping|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
+Allows the name of the page to show up in the category, in this case, Category:Shipping, without having to write out the whole page name. For example, instead of <nowiki>[[Category:Shipping|AdmirationShipping]]</nowiki>, users can simply put <nowiki>[[Category:Shipping|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> on the {{redlink|Shipping:AdmirationShipping|AdmirationShipping page}} and have AdmirationShipping show up on the Category:Shipping list. It also works for any other category, such as Category:Anime ships, and can be used on {{tt|every|I assume}} shipping page. I hope this helps and/or clears up the misunderstanding we had. Thanks,--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 19:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)