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|{{p|Grimer}}<br><small>[[Regional variant|Alola Form]]</small>
|{{p|Grimer}}<br><small>{{rf|Alolan|Form}}</small>
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|{{MSP|089A|Muk}}
|{{MSP|089A|Muk}}
|{{p|Muk}}<br><small>[[Regional variant|Alola Form]]</small>
|{{p|Muk}}<br><small>{{rf|Alolan|Form}}</small>
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::::::It's just an example, and yes regional Pokedex also is a good example of a merged list of Pokemon, Flying-type isn't ''perfectly ideal'' but would look very similar. Please, end this if you don't really understand the situation. I'm am not making yet and changes on the page so your opinion isn't compulsory.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 08:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::It's just an example, and yes regional Pokedex also is a good example of a merged list of Pokemon, Flying-type isn't ''perfectly ideal'' but would look very similar. Please, end this if you don't really understand the situation. I'm am not making yet and changes on the page so your opinion isn't compulsory.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 08:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I know what you're asking for, you want them to be grouped by generations. And I'm saying that this is not what the article is about. The regional dex listing and the listing on this page are ''vastly'' different. They are not the same thing. And others will chime in when they want.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I know what you're asking for, you want them to be grouped by generations. And I'm saying that this is not what the article is about. The regional dex listing and the listing on this page are ''vastly'' different. They are not the same thing. And others will chime in when they want.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Ok, I'm sorry for my behavior. I thought I haven't made myself clear enough. I just don't like the how it looks now and I feel like the difference would be only cosmetic, so why would not make this change if most of the people would agree on it? Do you know the stuff which could vote on this proposition? If only it would get the majority, then we would know if it is a good suggestion.
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{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{poison color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
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!
! width=100px  |  Name
! width=150px colspan=2 | Type(s)
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|001
|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}
|{{p|Bulbasaur}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|002
|{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}
|{{p|Ivysaur}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
| 003
|{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}
|{{p|Venusaur}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|003
|{{MSP|003M|Venusaur}}
|{{p|Venusaur|Mega Venusaur}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|013
|{{MSP|013|Weedle}}
|{{p|Weedle}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|014
|{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}
|{{p|Kakuna}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|015
|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
|{{p|Beedrill}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|015
|{{MSP|015M|Beedrill}}
|{{p|Beedrill|Mega Beedrill}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|023
|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}
|{{p|Ekans}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|024
|{{MSP|024|Arbok}}
|{{p|Arbok}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|029
|{{MSP|029|Nidoran♀}}
|{{p|Nidoran♀}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|030
|{{MSP|030|Nidorina}}
|{{p|Nidorina}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|031
|{{MSP|031|Nidoqueen}}
|{{p|Nidoqueen}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
|-
|032
|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}
|{{p|Nidoran♂}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|033
|{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}
|{{p|Nidorino}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|034
|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}
|{{p|Nidoking}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
|-
|041
|{{MSP|041|Zubat}}
|{{p|Zubat}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|042
|{{MSP|042|Golbat}}
|{{p|Golbat}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|043
|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}
|{{p|Oddish}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|044
|{{MSP|044|Gloom}}
|{{p|Gloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|045
|{{MSP|045|Vileplume}}
|{{p|Vileplume}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|048
|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}
|{{p|Venonat}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|049
|{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}
|{{p|Venomoth}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|069
|{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}}
|{{p|Bellsprout}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|070
|{{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}
|{{p|Weepinbell}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|071
|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}
|{{p|Victreebel}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|072
|{{MSP|072|Tentacool}}
|{{p|Tentacool}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|073
|{{MSP|073|Tentacruel}}
|{{p|Tentacruel}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|088
|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}
|{{p|Grimer}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|088
|{{MSP|088A|Grimer}}
|{{p|Grimer}}<br><small>{{rf|Alolan|Form}}</small>
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
|-
|089
|{{MSP|089|Muk}}
|{{p|Muk}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|089
|{{MSP|089A|Muk}}
|{{p|Muk}}<br><small>{{rf|Alolan|Form}}</small>
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
|-
|092
|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}
|{{p|Gastly}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|093
|{{MSP|093|Haunter}}
|{{p|Haunter}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|094
|{{MSP|094|Gengar}}
|{{p|Gengar}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|094
|{{MSP|094M|Gengar}}
|{{p|Gengar|Mega Gengar}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|109
|{{MSP|109|Koffing}}
|{{p|Koffing}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|110
|{{MSP|110|Weezing}}
|{{p|Weezing}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|167
|{{MSP|167|Spinarak}}
|{{p|Spinarak}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|168
|{{MSP|168|Ariados}}
|{{p|Ariados}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|169
|{{MSP|169|Crobat}}
|{{p|Crobat}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|211
|{{MSP|211|Qwilfish}}
|{{p|Qwilfish}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|269
|{{MSP|269|Dustox}}
|{{p|Dustox}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|315
|{{MSP|315|Roselia}}
|{{p|Roselia}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|316
|{{MSP|316|Gulpin}}
|{{p|Gulpin}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|317
|{{MSP|317|Swalot}}
|{{p|Swalot}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|336
|{{MSP|336|Seviper}}
|{{p|Seviper}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|406
|{{MSP|406|Budew}}
|{{p|Budew}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|407
|{{MSP|407|Roserade}}
|{{p|Roserade}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|434
|{{MSP|434|Stunky}}
|{{p|Stunky}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
|-
|435
|{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}
|{{p|Skuntank}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
|-
|451
|{{MSP|451|Skorupi}}
|{{p|Skorupi}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
|-
|452
|{{MSP|452|Drapion}}
|{{p|Drapion}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
|-
|453
|{{MSP|453|Croagunk}}
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|{{MSP|454|Toxicroak}}
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|543
|{{MSP|543|Venipede}}
|{{p|Venipede}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|544
|{{MSP|544|Whirlipede}}
|{{p|Whirlipede}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|545
|{{MSP|545|Scolipede}}
|{{p|Scolipede}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|568
|{{MSP|568|Trubbish}}
|{{p|Trubbish}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|569
|{{MSP|569|Garbodor}}
|{{p|Garbodor}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2|[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|590
|{{MSP|590|Foongus}}
|{{p|Foongus}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|591
|{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}
|{{p|Amoonguss}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|690
|{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}
|{{p|Skrelp}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|691
|{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}
|{{p|Dragalge}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
|-
|747
|{{MSP|747|Mareanie}}
|{{p|Mareanie}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|748
|{{MSP|748|Toxapex}}
|{{p|Toxapex}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|757
|{{MSP|757|Salandit}}
|{{p|Salandit}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
|-
|758
|{{MSP|758|Salazzle}}
|{{p|Salazzle}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
|-
|793
|{{MSP|793|Nihilego}}
|{{p|Nihilego}}
{{typetable|Rock}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
|-
|803
|{{MSP|803|Poipole}}
|{{p|Poipole}}
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Poison color}}" colspan=2 |[[Poison (type)|<span style="color:#FFF">Poison</span>]]
|-
|804
|{{MSP|804|Naganadel}}
|{{p|Naganadel}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
|}
|}
|}
--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 17:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
== Poison type missing Toxic? ==
"as of Generation VI, when a Poison-type uses the move, it cannot miss, bypassing accuracy checks and semi-invulnerable turns from moves such as Fly and Dig."
I have uploaded a clip on Twitter that shows the contrary. The Hawlucha was not using any form of protection as it was hit by Max Ooze.
https://twitter.com/861parody/status/1397666635054465027
{{Unsigned|Iluvchess}}
:Interesting. Do you have a footage of the entire battle? I can't deduce why it missed from that.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 22:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
::Stupid me trimmed the battle. However, this is what I can remember
::Grimmsnarl used Max Flare
::Whirlipede became desperate and set up it's shield
::Hawlucha was hit by Max Ooze
::Whirlipede used Toxic. It missed
::Throh used Mega Punch
::I believe that Hawlucha was not statused
::[[User:Iluvchess|Iluvchess]] ([[User talk:Iluvchess|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:::EDIT: I found a longer clip: https://twitter.com/861parody/status/1397721103099858944. It's not the full battle as I only started recording after I saw the miss [[User:Iluvchess|Iluvchess]] ([[User talk:Iluvchess|talk]]) 01:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
::::Which [[Pokémon_Sword_and_Shield#Version_history|version]] of the game was this? (You can see the version by pressing + from the Switch main menu.) Could you give more specifics on the battle itself (the den, the participants, ..)? Since it's Whirlipede's second move in that turn, maybe it is yet [[Toxic sure-hit glitch|another bug related to Toxic]]..? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::This appears to be unrelated to that bugfix, as people [https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sword-shield-battle-mechanics-research.3655528/page-18#post-8289444 reported] noticing that shortly after release. Max Raid Battles have various different battle mechanics, and this is just one I suppose. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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