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:No, he means controversies outside of the fandom. Controversies inside the fandom are usually on the articles' pages, this stuff's about people who likely never played a Pokémon game and are just yelling about it being horrible because they're a bunch of not-our-generation people. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | :No, he means controversies outside of the fandom. Controversies inside the fandom are usually on the articles' pages, this stuff's about people who likely never played a Pokémon game and are just yelling about it being horrible because they're a bunch of not-our-generation people. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 21:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
well, now that i know that he was Indeed meaning that we should mention only non-fandom sources, I'll go back to my original statement of "umm... My relative, as I have said Before, IS outside of the fandom since she doesn't really play the Pokemon Games. So i figured that that should be sufficient enough for this to warrant a mention." | well, now that i know that he was Indeed meaning that we should mention only non-fandom sources, I'll go back to my original statement of "umm... My relative, as I have said Before, IS outside of the fandom since she doesn't really play the Pokemon Games. So i figured that that should be sufficient enough for this to warrant a mention." | ||
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There really is no section here in the discussion page to put this but some people believe that garitina resembles satinism because it resembles a serpent in its origin form thus the sickos believe it resembles what first happened in our origin and because it was banished from earth and because of the number of spikes on its wings,legs and cage like things on it. So would someone be kind enough to write this or at least answer why not? If you don't get the number thing look it up because I refuse to write those digits.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 04:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC) | There really is no section here in the discussion page to put this but some people believe that garitina resembles satinism because it resembles a serpent in its origin form thus the sickos believe it resembles what first happened in our origin and because it was banished from earth and because of the number of spikes on its wings,legs and cage like things on it. So would someone be kind enough to write this or at least answer why not? If you don't get the number thing look it up because I refuse to write those digits.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 04:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Can you link to someone actually complaining about this somewhere? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC) | :Can you link to someone actually complaining about this somewhere? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC) | ||
==Uri Geller IS a psychic?== | |||
It is only what he claims to be, even if he earns money through it. He apparently refuses research into his ''abilities''. There is no clear proof, so we should change in into '''who ''claims'' to be a psychic'''? | |||
[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] ([[User talk:Renoir|talk]]) 04:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
On the topic of Geller, "This is why we can't have nice things." | |||
I do agree, I think it would go better as "claims to be" | |||
[[User:YourBuddyBill|Your Buddy Bill]] ([[User talk:YourBuddyBill|talk]]) 18:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Recent PETA 'joke'?== | |||
While I'm sure they'll fob it off as a joke, I'd like to suggest expanding the 'Animal Cruelty' section by including information from PETA's latest threat as well as the controversial and tasteless 'parody' game "Pokemon black and Blue". [[User:Lugia61617|Lugia61617]] ([[User talk:Lugia61617|talk]]) 11:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Registeel? == | |||
Can someone explain to me why there was a controversy over the Registeel's salute? It the wrong arm to be the "Nazi" salute. The Nazi salute it done with the right arm, not the left. So Unless, I'm looking at it wrong, Registeel is arising it left arm. Allen Knott, 6/16/13 4:24am E.S.T. U.S.[[User:Allen Knott|Allen Knott]] ([[User talk:Allen Knott|talk]]) 08:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Regardless of which arm is raised, it is still offensive to some.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Electric soldier porygon and seizures == | |||
This episode has created a guiness world record for giving seizures to 685 children. Watch it in youtube AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! I think this should also be added in the controversies. Is not it?[[User:Mccoyzn|Mccoyzn]] ([[User talk:Mccoyzn|talk]]) 03:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:That was an actual occurrence, not controversy. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 03:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Lawsuits == | |||
The article is only covering lawsuits that were filed against the creators/owners of the pokemon franchise there are lawsuits that they have filed against others in regards to their franchise like recently a cafe manager was sued by TPC for using their IP for a party without their permission shouldn't that be covered on the article as well? --[[User:0551E80Y|0551E80Y]] ([[User talk:0551E80Y|talk]]) 14:44, 4 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Lavender Town == | |||
Just curious... is anyone else thinking there should be a section for all of the controversy over the "original" [[Lavender Town]] theme? [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 02:56, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:What's the story? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:28, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Either Google "Lavender Town Syndrome" and read the Creepypasta article, or take it from me. Apparently, not long after Red and Green were released in Japan two decades ago, when child/young teen players reached Lavender Town and listened to its theme music with headphones, adverse effects were induced such as hemorrhages, nose bleeds, strokes, seizures, and even suicides. It could all be a myth, but extensive studies have shown that the music does in fact contain binaural beats, which are often used for things such as hypnosis to manipulate human actions. Also, if one were to amplify the song and use a spectrogram to view the frequencies and sound waves, these beats can be heard by anyone, no matter how old they are. These beats are arranged to form the shape of the ghost sprite from Pokémon Tower, as well as another set of beats arranged in a way that spells "LEAVE NOW", using the different forms of {{p|Unown}} as letters. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 19:26, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Is there actually any truth behind any of this though? ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 21:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::There's no way to know for sure, but it's very likely... all of the aforementioned reports all happened around the same time vicinity, and all of the discovered affected people were players of Pokémon, and their last location in Red/Green was Lavender Town. The tune was then studied, and the aforementioned binaural beats were found within the song, and further examined to figure out what they subliminally provoke listeners to do. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 23:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Pretty sure this is an untrue urban legend.[[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] ([[User talk:Zakor1138|talk]]) 01:09, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Look, the subject of this section isn't whether or not the myth is true, it's whether or not it deserves to be included in this article. If you think it doesn't, then that settles it; we just won't include it. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 01:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Then it shouldn't be included, because it isn't true. It could get a page on this wiki under Fandom. Also, why the hostility? [[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] ([[User talk:Zakor1138|talk]]) 01:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Oh that came across as hostile? So sorry, wasn't trying to be. And there's no way of knowing for sure if it isn't true, so there's no need to be presumptuous. And I'm fine with it not having a section on this page, I just wanted to know what everyone else thought. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 02:06, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Some of the things on this page stem from misconceptions (Nazi imagery) or personal beliefs/"panic" (religion...). By that token, if there was real panic or something, then it might be notable. But from what's been discussed above, I wouldn't bet it wasn't just a bull**** story put together/made up well after the fact of the games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::There is no proof that it happened. This was just one of those game Creepypastas that people made on the internet. [[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] ([[User talk:Zakor1138|talk]]) 04:43, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::This has been discussed to death on [[Talk:Lavender Town|Lavender Town's talk page]]. It's just a rumor with no credible proof that there was an "original" Lavender tune.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:24, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Citation needed == | |||
I recently added the "Citation Needed" to some of the facts on the article. They haven't been sourced so what should happen to the information? Should it get removed?[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 15:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Where Jynx really came from== | |||
There have been several theories regarding where Jynx came from: | |||
1) Jynx was inspired by {{wp|ganguro}}, a Japanese fashion where women tan heavily, bleach their hair, and apply large amounts of makeup, instead of a black stereotype. This theory is mainly based on Jynx's long, straight, blonde hair, a common attribute of ganguro fashion. | |||
2) Jynx is based on the Nordic goddess {{wp|Hel}}, who was often depicted has having a face half white-half black. This theory is supported by the fact that Urd and her mother Hel (renamed Hild which is the name of ''another'' Norse goddess) are both depicted as being dark skinned in the manga series ''Ah My Goddess!'' Also Hel ruled {{wp|Niflheim}}, primarily land of primordial ice and cold and who did ''not'' die a heroic or notable death (it was the closes thing the Norse had to a 'bad' place). They argue that Jynx's hair looks more like royalty than an African stereotype. They also say that being based on a {{wp|Viking}} goddess who ruled a land of primordial ice and cold would explain why they are {{t|Ice}} type. This is further supported by Jynx sharing traits with the iconic opera singing "{{wp|It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings|Fat Lady}}," who is pop-culturally portrayed dressed as the {{wp|valkyrie}} {{wp|Brünnhilde}}. | |||
3) Matpat created a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X3l_Tt8VE Game Theory: Pokemon Racism, Jynx Justified]] which goes into the Yama-uba theory in detail. | |||
In moviebob's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw8DkSmJDOg Game Overthinker V8]] and went into greater detail in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhopxZqQrmo GAME OVERTHINKER V23]] which gave more indication that Jynx wasn't racist. Heck, with the right mindset you could claim the 1990s Sailor Moon anime is pro-Nazi: blond haired, blue eyed reincarnation of a bunch of warrior superbeings (ie Master Race) fighting the life draining monsters in the Elders of Zion mold. It is effectively a variant of ''The Iron Dream''. Is that insanely ridiculous? Sure it is, but it is on par with what was going on with Jynx.--[[User:BruceGrubb|BruceGrubb]] ([[User talk:BruceGrubb|talk]]) 13:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I've made an attempt at a compromise, but if I may speak very frankly, your confrontational tone and attempt to derail the section into a ramble about how Jynx allegedly isn't really racist feels very much to me like you may have underlying racial motivations. Please take a step back and look at the whole section from a neutral point of view, not just this one paragraph, and try to see that this one paragraph is ''not'' the point of the section. The point is what actually ''did'' happen, the accusations and Nintendo's response. Whether Jynx is or isn't racist, and what it might have been instead of a racial stereotype, is entirely a moot point. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC) | |||