Bulbapedia

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon): Difference between revisions

Article Discussion

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon) (view source)

Revision as of 21:13, 30 July 2015

18,002 bytes added ,  30 July 2015
m
→‎Type Change: adding nowiki
m (→‎Type Change: adding nowiki)
(12 intermediate revisions by 8 users not shown)
Line 314: Line 314:
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#800080">13</span>]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#800080">13</span>]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, [[File:Arceus Formes.gif]] in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, <nowiki>[[File:Arceus Formes.gif]]</nowiki> in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes <b>ARE</b> really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes <b>ARE</b> really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Line 472: Line 472:
:No, it looks like speculation so it should probably be removed, not elaborated on. The "implications" to which it refers is the fact that "AR-see-uss" sounds like it starts with the swearword "arse" (the equivalent of "ass" in America). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:No, it looks like speculation so it should probably be removed, not elaborated on. The "implications" to which it refers is the fact that "AR-see-uss" sounds like it starts with the swearword "arse" (the equivalent of "ass" in America). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::Wow, I can't believe I never realized that before. Anyway, I agree with the decision to remove it. Thanks for your help. [[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 07:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::Wow, I can't believe I never realized that before. Anyway, I agree with the decision to remove it. Thanks for your help. [[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 07:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Arceus_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1908001&oldid=1900900 The user who added it] explained in her edit summary that Tom Wayland told her about it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 07:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::::We should give the source in the article text, then, not just in a random edit summary that people have to trawl through the page history to find. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
== Sprites ==
Why aren't the sprites for all of his different formes shown in the sprites section? I want to see his shiny meadow form ._. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:Because that's too many images. Once X and Y are released it would be more than 200 front sprites. It'd look awful, and probably cause loading issues as well - this page is already very large and there's been problems with it loading in the past. If you want to see the shiny meadow form, click the "Arceus images on Bulbagarden Archives" link below the sprite box. That'll take you to a category containing all the Arceus images on the Archives, including ones that we can't fit onto the pages. The sprite you want is on the first page of that category, [[a:Spr 4d 493-Grass s.png|Here]]. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 21:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
== Question ==
Why do we not list Arceus on all of the type pages? We do that for every other Pokemon whose forme changes type.
[[User:Ghost Type Master|Ghost Type Master]] ([[User talk:Ghost Type Master|talk]]) 1:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
== Arceus holding all plates ==
By the type charts, if Arceus held all the plates at once-even the pixie plate- he would get 2x damage from Rock. That would explain why a meteor was able to hurt in M12.
Without the plates compromising the Jewel of Life and no Pixie plate, he gets 2x damage from electric attacks, 1x from steel, and 2x from fire. Hence, why the villain in M12 used electric attacks and molten steel to hold Arceus down.
This should be trivia somewhere-here or on the Arceus M12 page.{{unsigned|ZoroFan}}
:No, that is too speculative: The writers aren't that good with the type matchups and there clearly wasn't the Pixie Plate in the movie.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 18:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Even without the Pixie Plate, the results still stand. I ran the numbers.Besides, by M12, the writers don't show a problem with type match-ups, especially since it's a movie. How about just stating that if Arceus hold all of the plates, he's 2x from Rock?
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="1318" style="border-collapse:
collapse;table-layout:fixed;width:989pt">
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" width="64" style="height:15.0pt;width:48pt"></td>
  <td colspan="2" width="128" style="mso-ignore:colspan;width:96pt">Defending type</td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="102" style="width:77pt">Arceus Effect</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td>
  <td>Normal</td>
  <td>Fighting</td>
  <td>Flying</td>
  <td>Poison</td>
  <td>Ground</td>
  <td>Rock</td>
  <td>Bug</td>
  <td>Ghost</td>
  <td>Steel</td>
  <td>Fire</td>
  <td>Water</td>
  <td>Grass</td>
  <td>Electric</td>
  <td>Psychic</td>
  <td>Ice</td>
  <td>Dragon</td>
  <td>Dark</td>
  <td>Fairy</td>
  <td></td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Normal</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Fighting</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Flying</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Poison</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Ground</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Rock</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Bug</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.0625</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Ghost</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Steel</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Fire</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Water</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Grass</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.0625</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Electric</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Psychic</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Ice</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Dragon</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
  <td align="right">0</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Dark</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt">
  <td height="20" style="height:15.0pt">Fairy</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">0.5</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">2</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
  <td align="right">1</td>
</tr>
<!--[if supportMisalignedColumns]-->
<tr height="0" style="display:none">
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="64" style="width:48pt"></td>
  <td width="102" style="width:77pt"></td>
</tr>
{{unsigned|ZoroFan}}
:There's really too much impracticality here. This is really just a theoretical summation of the damage possibilities to a Pokemon of all types, and that's just not needed here. Plus, there's no way for Arceus to hold all the plates, so its a moot point. You could argue that it can in the anime, but the anime clearly does not always follow the rules the games do, electricity damages Ground-types in the anime sometimes. This just isn't worth noting on the page. Also, please don't reasign comments after posting them, it messes up the timestamp. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 19:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
::Also, it was specifically shown in the movie that Arceus can be affected by only one Plate at a time. It was changing its type to become immune to the Dragon trio's attacks (you can see the animations [[Multitype (Ability)#In the anime|here]]).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 19:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Adamws
2,575

edits

Retrieved from "https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1953491...2314983"