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+Since when did Ash's Charizard use {{m|Submission}}?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 03:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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 == Gender ==
-What episode was Charizard's gender confirmed? Just curious. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 22:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+What episode was Charizard's gender confirmed? Just curious. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥  22:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 :I don't think it was a specific episode, I think it's just because it happens to have a crush on a Charizard with a lighter roar than Ash's and a bow on its head. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
-:: Ah, just wonderin. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
+:: Ah, just wonderin. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥  23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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 Do we realy nead one? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
-:We have them for Butterfree and Sceptile... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span>{{ani|155|Fire echy}}<span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 20:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
+:We have them for Butterfree and Sceptile... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 20:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
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 :Doesn't make it trustworthy. [[User:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Glinn</span>]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Mgraw</span>]] 09:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
-meh, try finding proof of charizard being female. come on I Dare You!
+meh, try finding proof of charizard being female. come on I Dare You!<small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Big Johnno|Big Johnno]] ([[User talk:Big Johnno|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Big Johnno|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
 :And now it's getting out of hand. All for making Charizard, Pikachu, and pretty much everyone on Ash's team male, say aye. Honestly, if we're using the "OH LOL CHARIZARD MIGHT BE A LESBIAN" argument... come on. I'm as supportive of homosexuality as anyone else in their right mind, but really, if we have to wait for Charla to show up and hand Dawn a Charmander egg... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 ::-_-' There is still no logical proof as charizard appeared before '''GENII'''. Which showed Genders for the first time, Now charizard being a First Gen Pokémon, The creators had no Idea About its gender, But there is still no proof, I mean Charmander could've been a girl before even turning into a Charmeleon, And as a Charmeleon it was a Boy, And so on, There is lot's of theory about Chari's gender. Oh yeah, Sign your Frikkin' Comments --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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 Look...It shouldn't be assumed Male just because theres no proof what gender it is. It's just sexist saying all Ash's Pokémon are male. |: Gender difference shouldn't count as that was in Gen4, and Charizard is from Gen1/The first Pokémon seasons/whatever. |: [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 15:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
+If you think that saying that Ash's Pokémon SEEM to be male is sexist, then you need to GROW THE FUCK UP.
+The anime makes it VERY clear when a Pokémon is a female, either by its appearance, or it behavior (look at Ash's Chikorita).
+Moreover, the anime NEVER stated that a Pokémon whose gender hadn't been previously revealed, is female, at it would be too bizarre.
+If they didn't bother at making a Pokémon, girly-like, then the Pokémon is EXTREMELY likely to be a male (again, I have yet to see a case where the opposite happened). But if the writers made it act manly, like they did with Charizard when he is in the presence of Liza's female Charizard, then it's OBVIOUS that it is a male.
 :Okay, yeah most likely Charizard is male. But being that there are some people that feel that it could be otherwise, maybe we should leave it as unknown until it is 100% confirmed.  I mean Pikachu has just as much evidence that it is male as Charizard and yet we still refuse to call it that. It's a little hypocritical.
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 I too think this is rediculous, there's no chance he's homosexual in a kids show. I think it should be changed to Male. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 10:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC))
 :Sigh.... And yet we have Harley... --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 10:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
+::Harley being gay is pure speculation.  It was never confirmed. But still, we cannot say Charizard is male until it is confirmed he is male. [[User:Pokeman21|Pokeman21]] 1:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 I know about Harley, but [[Ash's Totodile]] is listed as Male for the same reason, because he fell in love with Azumarill. Surely either Charizard should be changed to Male or Totodile changed to unknown. [[Ash's Totodile|This]] is what i mean, there is a lack of consistency with genders here. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 10:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC))
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 Charizard I think deserves to be called a Male in the page because he has fallen in love with a female pokemon with a bow on it's head and has the name "Charla", what more proof do you need he is male. Honestly I wish that some people on this site had brains for this. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 14:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+:Charla is obviously a crossdresser. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 14:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+::Well getting back to planet earth for a second I don't think that is going to happen in pokemon (James does not count since he does this often enough with Jessie). I mean it is so obvious. If Gayness is looked down upon then how do you think romance is looked upon in the anime. Apparently most of Ash's pokemon are classed as things simply for being in love with a female pokemon but all female pokemon have to do to be classed as female is be in love with a male character (or in Bayleef's case Ash) or even just wear flowers or whatever. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 23:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+:::Most of the time the flower wearing and man loving comes with a verbal confirmation. I think that those without SHOULD be removed. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 23:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+::::Another point to make. Similar to abilites, just because a Pokémon is definitely male in the games (e.g. {{p|Tauros}}, {{p|Nidoking}}) doesn't prove that it's male, and the converse is true as well... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+:::::I think what it all comes down to is fan speculation, what different people ''want'' to think; very few genders have actually been confirmed, either verbally or by noting gender differences in Gen IV, so what's wrong with leaving the rest "Unknown"? At least we're not claiming authority on things we really don't know for sure. It's one of the things I really wish the writers of the show would tell us outright through an interview or something. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 23:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+:::::Would {{MTR}} be one of those examples? [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+:::::: The way this goes, very few genders will ever be confirmed. I agree with not having pokemon like Torkoal that don't have any idea but Charizard points to 99% being male. If Charizard's gender can't be put down here there's very few that can and very few that ever will. The way this is going we might just as well remove genders from every pokemon on this site. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 10:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC))
+::::::: I agree. Change "unknown gender" to male. Those who insist on the possibility of Charizard being a female lesbian are being RIDICULOUS, not only because this is a children's show, but also because Pokémon CAN'T be homosexual (gay Pokémon don't exist in the video games). {{unsigned|Spideym}}
+:::::::: [[Harley|LIES!]] Charizard can be be female, Yes, Homosexuality is allowed in a children show, I mean in Japan they don't give a damn about guns, nudity or swearing.  The only thing that makes Charizard a male is being attracted to Charla, That is 1 out out the millions of possibility that it could be male.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 07:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
+::::::::: Anime aimed at young kids DON'T have homosexuality. The Pokémon anime never did (Harley was never confirmed to be gay). And if we're going to leave Charizard's gender as "unknown" by considering the possibility of it being homosexual, then we should do the same about Ash's Bayleef. {{unsigned|Spideym}}
+:::And the humas also. I never heared anyone say Jessie is a girl. [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 18:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
+<small>(resenting indent)</small> Charla could be a male you know.  It's like stating {{wp|Dame Edna}} was female, but is really a man in disguise.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 07:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
+: Now you're getting ridiculous. If they made Charla girly-like and NEVER gave us a reason to consider it a cross-dresser, then saying it is, is PURE FANFICTION. {{unsigned|Spideym}}
+:: Pokémon don't have to be gay. How about the rest of the Charizard at Charicific Valley, They're all Male right? WRONG! You can never predict it, The people may give a sort of manish look for Charizard but really is female, That is why I mention Dame Edna...--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 07:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
+::: But we didn't see them being attracted to a FEMALE Pokémon, which we did about Ash's Charizard! And if you're going to say something as ridiculous as Charla being a crossdresser, then I will say that Misty might be a boy who had a gender change, since they never specifically said she isn't >_> {{unsigned|Spideym}}
+:::: That may be true you know.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 08:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
+::::: Someone should change Misty's gender to "unknown" in her page, then _-_ {{unsigned|Spideym}}
+::::::: Okay then, let's leave Charizard as unknown and change all the humans and rest of pokemon to unknown too. Infact, we might aswell just completely remove the genders from everything, it's just REDICULOUS. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC))
+:::::::: Number one, we were having fun forgetting about this.
+:::::::: number two, you had to bring this up again?
+:::::::: --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 02:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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 The note in trivia on when the move dragon rage was first used by Ash's Charizard is wrong and I have tried to change it but everytime I do it gets changed back. Watch episode 112 enter the dragonite. Charizard uses it there and there might even be a time before then when he does. --[[User:Pazusalmon|Pazusalmon]] 23:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
-:The trivia is saying that it first used '''{{m|Dragonbreath}}''' in the battle with Gary. Infact, Dragon Rage was used even before [[EP112]]. That was used in [[EP105]] when Charizard begins to trust Ash. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
+:The trivia is saying that it first used '''{{m|DragonBreath|Dragonbreath}}''' in the battle with Gary. Infact, Dragon Rage was used even before [[EP112]]. That was used in [[EP105]] when Charizard begins to trust Ash. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 Shouldn't we mke the pics a gallery--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 18:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)