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 :::Sorry, having reworked the problem I agree. Sorry for wasting your time. I think I read down the wrong line of my tree diagram. Would you agree that there is a 50% chance of getting an item on a given game? Given that P(pick1) = 1/6, P(pick1fails)=5/6 And P(pick2)=2/5. P(wingame)=P(pick1)+P(pick1fails)*P(pick2)=1/6+5/6*2/5=3/6=1/2=50%. Hope you can understand this.  Thank you for your time and for exposing my wrongness.—[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 01:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 ::::This was the part where my own mathematical skills broke down. I don't remember the class covering the additional "knowledge" gained after the first pick (i.e. your second pick isn't 1/5 "random"). What math I guessed at came out to total chances around ~48% (which would indicate that even with proper knowledge of the game you have a greater chance of losing), but then I did it again and came up with a much lower chance (~38%), so I know I'm doing something wrong at that point. I have discussed the above part with a math major (and real whiz), and he agrees that the second choice odds aren't affected by the position of the first choice. But... that's all I've been able to prove at this point. I'll shoot an e-mail at my professor and update when (if) he replies. - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 02:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
+I am reviving this because I have proved that there is indeed the 50% chance:
+I used Mathematica, assigning P_1 through P_6 to be 1/6, being the chance for each of the 6 tufts of grass to have the item.
+PC_* is for selecting tuft 2,3,4,or 5 (here, assume 3)
+PE_* is for selecting tuft 1 or 6 (here, assume 1)
+PC_get1 = 1/6 is the chance of getting the object on the first try. It is equal to P_3
+PC_near = 2/6 is the chance of choosing the tuft next to the object. It is P_2 + P_4
+PC_far = 3/6 is the chance that the object is at least 2 tufts away. It is P_1 + P_5 + P_6
+PC_get2 = 2/6 is the chance of getting the object on the second try. It is 1/2 * PC_near + 1/3 * PC_far, because there is one object in two or three tufts if you are near or far respectivly.
+PC_get = 3/6 = 1/2 is the chance of getting the object. It is PC_get1 + PC_get2
+PE_get1 = 1/6
+PE_near = 1/6
+PE_far = 4/6
+PE_get2 = 3/6 = 1/1 PE_near + 1/4 PE_far because there is one object in one tuft if you got near, or 1 object in 4 tufts if you got far
+PE_get = 3/6 = 1/2
+I did not refer to Exowatt's formula to write this one. Unless someone can prove that there is not an equal chance for wherever you start, I am adding this fact to the article. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 00:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
+::Agreed with above, it is always 1/2 or 50% odds (assuming the hints are used). Another example/display of the math:
+::{| class="wikitable"
+! colspan="3" | the odds are always 1/6 + 2/6 = 1/2 (or 50%) when hints are used
+|-
+! Scenario
+! Math
+! Decision tree
+|-
+! Scenario 1<br /> (pick a corner)
+|
+:1/6 + 5/6 * ((1/5 * 1/1) + (4/5 * 1/4))
+:1/6 + 5/6 * (1/5 + 1/5)
+:1/6 + 5/6 * (2/5)
+:1/6 + 2/6 = 3/6
+:3/6 = 1/2
+|
+: 1/6 (win on first try)
+: 5/6 (lose on first try)
+:: 1/5 "It's near"
+::: 1/1 (win on second try)
+:: 4/5 "It's far"
+::: 1/4 (win on second try)
+::: 3/4 (lose on second try)
+|-
+! Scenario 2<br /> (pick a middle)
+|
+:1/6 + 5/6 * ((2/5 * 1/2) + (3/5 * 1/3))
+:1/6 + 5/6 * (1/5 + 1/5)
+:1/6 + 5/6 * (2/5)
+:1/6 + 2/6 = 3/6
+:3/6 = 1/2
+|
+: 1/6 (win on first try)
+: 5/6 (lose on first try)
+:: 2/5 "It's near"
+::: 1/2 (win on second try)
+::: 1/2 (lose on second try)
+:: 3/5 "It's far"
+::: 1/3 (win on second try)
+::: 2/3 (lose on second try)
+|-
+! colspan="3" | the odds are always 1/6 + 2/6 = 1/2 (or 50%) when hints are used
+|}
+::Just another demonstration of the math. [[User:LobStoR|LobStoR]] 17:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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 :[[List of Pokémon by height|This is the closest we've got]]. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 ::That's a list of their 'actual' heights, not the height (or width) of their sprites, though. [[User:Cheyinka|Cheyinka]] 13:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
+::I've gotten started on making the list: [[User:Cheyinka/List_of_Pokemon_by_sprite_height]] [[User:Cheyinka|Cheyinka]] 03:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 == Would it be notable that there is no black and white compatibility? ==
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 ::::I'm not arguing that it should be able to be used. I'm saying that although it has an IR receiver, it cannot use the Pokéwalker. And I believe that is why it should be trivia. If it's not notable, then oh well. --[[User:Joeshie|<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#6B8E23; border: 2px dashed #99CC32;">+ Joeshie +</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Joeshie|<span style="color:#99CC32">is Mæ!</span>]])''</small> 02:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 :::::That would be better suited to the (eventual?) "Connectivity" section on the BW article. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
+==Any answers?==
+How do pokemon gain EVs while on the 'walker? This is important 'cause i want high stat pokemon. Plz help. ----[[User:Desukaan563|<span style="color:blue">Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Desukaan563|<span style="color:yellow">talk</span>]])''</small> 12:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
+:I don't think they do. Can someone confirm? &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 02:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+I found a glitch! If u put on a shiny pichu, a generic or event one,  and link, on the other person's screen, the pichu won't be facing the other player's guy, rather will be facing the other way! ----[[User:Desukaan563|<span style="color:blue">Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Desukaan563|<span style="color:yellow">talk</span>]])''</small> 13:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
+:Is this exclusive to Shiny Pichu, or does it work for other Shiny Pokémon/Pichu? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
+::I don't recall it working for my shiny Salamence, but i might not have noticed. I will try to get a pic (if i upload it onto the archives, what would i call it?). I dunno about normal pichu, though i doubt it. ----[[User:Desukaan563|<span style="color:blue">Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Desukaan563|<span style="color:yellow">talk</span>]])''</small> 04:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
+:::This sounds like something for the [[list of minor glitches]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
+== The thing is apparently waterproof ==
+I'm not about to test it again to be certain, but I'm pretty sure mine survived the washer and dryer. Can't think of any other reason I would have found it in the pocket of a clean pair of pants with the back unscrewed and the battery missing, at least. Still works. I found a battery (possibly the same one) and everything was fine, I even had a few hundred watts in there.
+If more proof is gained I think it's a point to add to the article, that all isn't lost for a laundered walker.
+Funny how Nintendo's cheap hardware is bulletproof, and yet my DS Lite has a broken hinge, nonfunctional shoulder buttons and odd streaks of red tint across the top screen. What did I do to cause these damages? I just played it...[[User:BP|BP]] 05:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
+:The Pokéwalker instructions has a sheet that warns about water. I will scan it later. For now, I will quote it:
+::<big>'''Important:'''</big>
+::'''Do not immerse the Pokéwalker<sup>TM</sup> accessory in liquid
+::The Pokéwalker accessory is designed to be moisture resistant but is not moisture-proof. Immersion in water or other liquids or exposure to excessive moisture may cause a malfunction and permanent damage to the Pokéwalker.
+::If you attach the Pokéwalker to your clothes or keep it in your pocket, be sure to remove it before washing your clothes.
+::*'''Be sure and check your clothes before laundering
+::*Be sure and remove the Pokéwalker from your clothes when not playing the game.
+:...it goes on a little bit more, but that is the important part. There is also a picture of a Pokéwalker going in a washing machine and the words "DO NOT WASH!" in a circle with a line through it.
+:Also, [[Game Boy#Trivia|Nintnendo's consoles are nuke proof]]. I get that red tint too, and I haven't really mistreated my console either. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
+::[http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w355/SnorlaxMonster/Pokwalkerwaterwarning.png Here is the scan]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
+== A question... ==
+Hi! I sadly lost my pokewalker, and is there any way to save my nidorina from it? Or just delete her,please help! {{unsigned|Giegue}}
+:Unfortunately, when you lose it, the Pokémon on it will stay as well. If you delete the walker's data off the game, the Walker will delete anything on it incase you do find it again. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#00AF33;">'''☆'''</span>]][[User:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#0098d9;">'''Cool'''</span>]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#F8D030;">'''Pikachu!'''</span>]] 02:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
+::The article says: ''"Pokémon can be restored to the game it was taken from if a Pokéwalker is lost or broken by pressing and holding Up, Select, and R at the Pokéwalker connection screen."'' If you find it again you'll have to reset the Pokéwalker with the game cartridge before you can use it again. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
+== when a pokemon joins you? ==
+when you have no pokemon sometimes a pokémon joins you. if i walk over 10,000 steps on the yellow forest route will a 'common' pokémon join you or a 'very rare' or what？ {{unsigned|Madzacar}}
+:For me it always seems to be the most common Pokémon available at the time, regardless of steps made. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
+== Event Routes ==
+I never acessed the internet on my DSi before, so the event routes, the event for them is it ilimited? Can I have the all of the Routes? --[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] 02:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
+:Just like all the other Wi-Fi events, there is a start date and an end date. I doubt you would get any of them if you went on now. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 07:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
+::You've missed {{pw|Yellow Forest}} and {{pw|Winner's Path}}; and {{pw|Rally}}, {{pw|Sightseeing}}, and {{pw|Amity Meadow}} were never released in English. However, you can still get {{pw|Beyond the Sea}} by obtaining a foreign Pokémon over the GTS, and {{pw|Night Sky's Edge}} by trading in/[[Pal Park]]ing any {{p|Jirachi}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
+== Full PC box and party ==
+If your PC boxes and your party is full, what will happen when you try and return your Pokémon? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
+== Surprise! ==
+[[File:Sentret joining the player.jpg|thumb|left|200px|How?!]]After weeks not using the Pokéwalker I decided to bring on a Stroll without a Pokémon, but then I realised that there was a Pokémon in there! The Sentret I don't remember sending it to device. When I arrived home this happenned: The Pokéwalker generated a Pokémon! Has this aver happened before with somebody, after two years owning I was got by surprise. I think it is a rare case like the Shinies and the all-31 IV. Should this image despite its state being put on the article and my case too? Have this ever happened to someone before? Details: I was already on the Hall of Fame, I had just the Silver Argenta's Print, and made no Global Link Trades, just locals.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 13:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
+:"In addition, Pokémon from the route being walked may voluntarily join in the Pokéwalker seemingly at random, taking the spot of the missing Pokémon, essentially being caught for free." It's already on the page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 14:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)