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==Butterfree Release==
So I was informed that Pokemon don't count as "owned" if caught for less than one episode. In that case, doesn't M20 count as "one episode"? Butterfree shouldn't be listed as released.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 04:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
:I'd count movies differently since they are longer. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 05:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

== Move? ==

The "M20" in the page name doesn't really fit anymore, now that this version of Ash has also appeared in another movie. I suggest that it should be moved to "Ash Ketchum (movie)". Anybody agree? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:While you're right, "Ash Ketchum (movie)" really isn't a good title because the original Ash has appeared in movies too. I'm not sure what would be a good title, maybe something like "Ash Ketchum (alternate continuity)" (also not the best, I admit...). In any case, this is something the staff needs to go over so anyone please hold off on moving. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 18:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
::Of course. I wasn't going to move this page without staff agreement, anyway. And I based the "movie" part on pages like [[Dialga (movie)]], [[Palkia (movie)]], and [[Giratina (movie)]], who, like this version of Ash, are recurring movie characters, who have appeared in more than one movie. Hope you can see where I'm coming from with this idea. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes I can see your thought pattern. But these were all from the same continuity. This Ash is from a differrent continuity, and moving this page to "Ash Ketchum (movie)" would clash with the original Ash, as  the title would suggest AU Ash is also the Ash from Movies 1 to 19. I'm not totally discarding your title proposal of course, but I wanna hear from others if they have different suggestions.<span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 18:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I suggest keeping the original title. "Ash Ketchum (alternate continuity)" sounds good, but we'll never know if they decide to introduce yet ''another'' alternate continuity featuring Ash in the future. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm also fine with that. As abcboy pointed out elsewhere, some pages for recurring characters have their debut epicode in the title. It would save a lot of hassle just keeping it the way it is. But keep suggestions coming. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 22:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I suggest removing every bit of information regarding M21 from this page. I don't know why we're discussing moving this page to a different title when we have zero proof that M20 and M21 are set in the same continuity. --[[User:Mikuri|<span style="color:#2b915e;">'''Mi'''</span>]][[User talk: Mikuri|<span style="color:#52cc91;">'''ku'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|<span style="color:#8debbc;">'''ri'''</span>]] 00:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::We also seem to have zero proof that M20 and M21 are ''NOT'' set in the same continuity. Perhaps we need to do research first before considering such a move. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:28, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}} Perhaps you need to research the meaning of ''onus probandi''. You have to present evidence that M20 Ash and M21 Ash are the same character, not the other way around. --[[User:Mikuri|<span style="color:#2b915e;">'''Mi'''</span>]][[User talk: Mikuri|<span style="color:#52cc91;">'''ku'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|<span style="color:#8debbc;">'''ri'''</span>]] 02:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:Well, I do not support such a move. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::@Mikuri Instead of derailing the move conversation you could have started another topic but since you asked: when M21 was announced, a short snippet was released on pokemon.co.jp:

::“キミにきめた！”から始まった、新たな冒険。2018年のポケモン映画最新情報が、ついに解禁！
::Which translates to:
::''A new adventure, started by "I Choose You!". The latest info on the 2018 Pokemon movie is finally revealed!'' <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 10:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh and the snippet can be found on this page before the legitimacy is doubted: https://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/cat_anime/#page=1 <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 14:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
: Why not "Ash Ketchum (I Choose You)" or "Ash Ketchum (ICY)" then? It's been done for characters with multiple incarnations like "Ash Ketchum (ETOP)" and "Red (Adventures)" for example. [[User:Shadao|Shadao]] ([[User talk:Shadao|talk]]) 03:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
::That sounds reasonable. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Agreed with "Ash Ketchum (ICY)". --[[User:Sk8erPrince|Sk8erPrince]] ([[User talk:Sk8erPrince|talk]]) 10:51, 12 January 2019 (UTC)