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This is the type of map you are using as evidence for Hoenn's location. Notice the clouds separating Hoenn and Sinnoh, which have always been used to indicate that the positions are not relevant. If the positions on maps like these were important, then Sinnoh would not be in the east, but in the north, as we do have confirmation that Sinnoh is north of Kanto, Johto and Hoenn. Clearly the positions of the cloud-separated regions on these maps is for convenience, not actually indicating their position. The real-world Japan argument falls down for three reasons: 1) anime maps put Hoenn southwest-west (close to entirely west) of Johto, while in the real world Kyushu is much closer to southwest 2) Hoenn is rotated 90 degrees from Kyushu, and due to in-game dialogue indicating [[Ever Grande City]] is in the east and [[Southern Island]] being, well, south, Hoenn's cardinal directions cannot be compared to the real world 3) the whole point of putting the direction of one region to another in the articles is because we are NOT assuming that they are relative to each other in the same way as their real-world counterparts. Embedded Tower is not enough to support the position of the region on its own, as while you can assume that the people of Hoenn would build the tower at the point of the region closest to their home region, we have never been told this. Unless there is some actual evidence that Hoenn is southwest of Johto, please do not add it back to the article again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

:Even if the clouds do show distance, it doesn't change the fact that Hoenn is placed south/southwest of Johto on multiple maps, as I have said before. Yes Sinnoh, is placed north on the second one, but the movie map is from a magazine spread, they couldn't put it north since it would have been off of the page altogether. Embedded Tower is said to have been created by people who came from Hoenn. The tower is located in the southwestern part of the region, which would put Hoenn even farther southwest considering this is where they would have first appeared. This is supported by those maps released in Japan more then once, which again, always show Hoenn as southwest. Even if all the regions are slightly tweaked from real world Japan, they have still shown to be in same general likely areas as they are in real life with Kanto/Kanto being immediately east of Johto/Kansai (and Chubu), Sinnoh/Hokkaido being north of them, and Hoenn/Kyushu being south/southwest of them. It backs up what those official maps have already shown us. That is actual evidence. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 15:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)