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::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | :::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | |||