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:::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | :::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | |||