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:There's also the obvious fact that Charizard listens to Ash in the movie, which means that it has to have come after Charizard Chills. {{unsigned|Toon Ganondorf}} | :There's also the obvious fact that Charizard listens to Ash in the movie, which means that it has to have come after Charizard Chills. {{unsigned|Toon Ganondorf}} | ||
::^Bingo. Charizard listens to Ash during this movie. It only makes it logical to take place after Charizard Chills, regardless of what path makes more sense. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | ::^Bingo. Charizard listens to Ash during this movie. It only makes it logical to take place after Charizard Chills, regardless of what path makes more sense. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::Actually, another user has raised some good points regarding Charizard (specifically the first point); | |||
:::''Point 1: If you watch during the intro the trio decides to release their Pokemon for some fresh air before they reach their destination. This was ultimately a plot device to allow them to showcase the Pokemon, yet if you watch closely, '''when Ash releases Charizard he shoots a flame in all directions and Ash and Misty both freak out right before Ash recalls Charizard'''. This is a familiar scenario played out over and over again throughout the Anime prior to Charizard Chills. Frequently Ash would call Charizard, he would immediately shoot a flame thrower (often at Ash) then Ash would think twice and recall him. '' | |||
:::''Point 2: Charizard has shown that he would do things that benefit Ash, if Charizard wants to. The most obvious example being defeating Magmar and enabling Ash to win the Volcano badge for the Indigo League. On top of that, as has been noted, all of the Pokemon were converging to try and help stop the world catastrophe if they could. I believe it is clear that it is for this reason that Charizard seems more helpful then would be expected prior to Charizard Chills. '' | |||
:::''Point 3: I could be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Ash never once commands Charizard to do anything (at least not on screen). There are two points where Charizard preforms a helpful act: 1) Charizard is released simultaneously with Squirtle and Bulbasaur. All 3 of them (plus Pikachu) try to break Moltres free, but Ash never actually asked any of them to do anything but to "go". 2) The second act is pulling Ash's sleigh, where once again no command was given. Ash looks at the wrecked boat, then suddenly they are already moving quickly. Obviously Charizard must have been cooperative or Ash would have never gotten a rope tied around him, but still we never directly see him "obeying Ash" which is what Charizard never once did prior to Charizard Chills. '' | |||
<small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 19:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | |||