797
edits
User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/1: Difference between revisions
User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/1 (view source)
Revision as of 17:12, 25 November 2010
, 25 November 2010→Headbutting without the National Dex in Kanto?
AquaDragon (talk | contribs) |
|||
| Line 413: | Line 413: | ||
This has been bugging me for a few days, and the statement you left on [[User_talk:AquaDragon|AquaDragon's talk page]] indicates that you're the one to blame. In the lists of catchable Pokémon in Generation IV for most Kanto locations (except routes 26-28 and the Pokémon League, which should be ignored for the puposes of this post), the Pokémon obtainable with Headbutt have a subsection labelled "Post-National Pokédex", and "special tree" Pokémon even come with a note that they won't appear without the NatDex. My question is thus: How do you even get to those locations without obtaining the National Pokédex in the first place? In HGSS, you can't get anywhere in Kanto beyond the Pokémon League without bording the S.S. Aqua at least once, and Prof. Oak forces the National Dex upgrade on you the first time you try to board the ship. If the only way to get there without the NatDex is via hacking and the game refuses to cough up a Wurmple to cheaters, I think that should be addressed with ''at most'' a note on the {{m|Headbutt}} page rather than adding almost completely redundant and/or useless notes to pages that make users do double-takes. If there ''is'' a legitimate way to reach, say, Pewter City in HGSS without the NatDex, I'd like to hear it. --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 05:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC) | This has been bugging me for a few days, and the statement you left on [[User_talk:AquaDragon|AquaDragon's talk page]] indicates that you're the one to blame. In the lists of catchable Pokémon in Generation IV for most Kanto locations (except routes 26-28 and the Pokémon League, which should be ignored for the puposes of this post), the Pokémon obtainable with Headbutt have a subsection labelled "Post-National Pokédex", and "special tree" Pokémon even come with a note that they won't appear without the NatDex. My question is thus: How do you even get to those locations without obtaining the National Pokédex in the first place? In HGSS, you can't get anywhere in Kanto beyond the Pokémon League without bording the S.S. Aqua at least once, and Prof. Oak forces the National Dex upgrade on you the first time you try to board the ship. If the only way to get there without the NatDex is via hacking and the game refuses to cough up a Wurmple to cheaters, I think that should be addressed with ''at most'' a note on the {{m|Headbutt}} page rather than adding almost completely redundant and/or useless notes to pages that make users do double-takes. If there ''is'' a legitimate way to reach, say, Pewter City in HGSS without the NatDex, I'd like to hear it. --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 05:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I actually kinda wondered that myself when Aquadragon started adding Post-National Pokédex, but I forgot that you were forced to upgrade upon traveling to Kanto (other than Routes 26 and 27, Tohjo Falls, Victory Road, and Indigo Plateau). I'll ask Aquadragon, as there may be some reason for this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC) | :I actually kinda wondered that myself when Aquadragon started adding Post-National Pokédex, but I forgot that you were forced to upgrade upon traveling to Kanto (other than Routes 26 and 27, Tohjo Falls, Victory Road, and Indigo Plateau). I'll ask Aquadragon, as there may be some reason for this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
::My apologies, I don't think it was [[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]]'s fault. My original intention was to update all the lists of catchable Pokémon with a Headbutt section (as the mechanics differ from Gen II and Pokémon appear by location) and to try to achieve a style of consistency across the tables. As such, I would probably have overlooked certain details. | |||
::While I do agree that you cannot go past the Kanto region beyond r22 without getting the NatDex upgrade, I was thinking more about the ''categorization of Pokémon'': theoretically Pokémon after #256 is not in the JohtoDex, so they wont appear until you've obtained the NatDex (this part is true for the Johto region, e.g. Taillow). But since, as you've pointed out, there is no way to prove which Pokémon will appear in Kanto before or after obtaining the NatDex (because it is needed to go there in the first place), thus "Post-National Pokédex" in Kanto would be misleading... | |||
::So I guess I'll probably have to reorganise the Kanto tables to reflect that. The special tree part is more or less accurate; some Pokémon like Starly only appear in one or two trees. :) ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 17:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Nothing huge == | == Nothing huge == | ||