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Nav Bar

Hi! I was just wondering what the language is for your navigation bar? I wanted to have one to but I can't seem the find out how to make one. PLZ REPLY? Shockfisher

My nav bar, like all pages on the wiki, is written in Wikicode. Wikicode involves a fair amount of html as well. Aside from that help page I linked, the best way to figure out how to use it yourself is to try it. Copy the code, remove a bit and preview. Whatever no longer works is what that bit of code does. I would appreciate it if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save though. I'd rather you figure out how it works and remake it in your own style. Just remember that the page for your nav bar is in your userspace, so the one edit per day limit includes that page - you'll have to wait until the next server day to add the navbar to your main userpage. Werdnae (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


2 of 'em-

(1) How do you make your userpage backround bulba color dark? (2) How do you make your userbox so it has [show] and [hide] options? After I learn how to, this will be my final major edit to my u page. And I'll focus 100% on my edits (Before was like 45%.) Thanks twice- ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 20:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  1. Put a table or div that covers the whole page with the style "background: #{{bulba color dark}};". If you need to, copy the coding for the exterior border on my talk page, remove the border bit and add that coding to it.
  2. They userboxes are in a table with the class "expandable" (defaults to closed) or "collapsible" (defaults to open). Each row that should always show as a header for the following hidden bit should also have the expandable/collapsible class. Note that it doesn't work if the row has the class but the table as a whole doesn't, and you can mix-and-match the two in the same table. It still works if the table has expandable but every cell has collapsible, vice versa, or any other combination. Have a fiddle with the coding from my page if my explanation's a bit confusing. That said, I would appreciate if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save. I'd rather you figure out how it works and add your own flair. Werdnae (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
(1) Thanks, it works perfectly, BUT! I have coding for my userbox that I need to use a |} thing on so all of my page isn't stuck in my userbox, and the final product is a thick

that's colored bulba color dark with a dark color border (I meant for the border to happen.) How can I fix it? (2) I'll figure it out. Thanks times two! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 17:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I assume you're using a table? You can have a table inside a table. Just make sure that all the content for the part of the page is inside a cell of the outer table. If it's not in a cell then it won't work properly. Werdnae (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the late update. I gave up for now. I'll keep working on the expandable thing, but I need a cheat sheet or something. I would just look on wikipedia but I can't go on that. Also, I think a "bad grammar" template would be great. Draft:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color}}; border: 3px solid #{{poison color}}; width: 90%; {{roundy|40px}}" |- | style="background:#{{water color light}}; padding: 10px; {{roundy|50px}}" align="center" | [[Image:049Venomoth.png|100px]] | '''This {{{1|article}}} is exhibiting many grammatical errors. Please feel free to refine the grammar in this article and enhance Bulbapedia's viewer's experiences. Bulbapedia thanks you. |}.

I think this template would be helpful because: One- It would let grammar and spelling freaks like myself flock to these pages and beautify them, and Two- It adds an alternative to Template:Rewording and Template: Cleanup. If you dislike the simplicity I will either try to "fancy it up" or wait eight years, go to college, take a class in computer programming, and try then. Or you'll do it. Thanks- ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 23:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I've run it by a couple of other admins, and we feel that we don't really need either that or the reword one. If it's something simple, it can just be fixed when it's noticed - it's as much work to put on the template it as it is to fix. If it's extensive it probably needs a general cleanup too. IMO, Cleanup should be used where there's poor grammar, a reword is needed or it needs reformatting. Werdnae (talk) 10:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, then. So much for that idea. But I need help again for something- I was looking at navs for ideas for my own, and I saw yours. But it was covered with "<sc>...</sc>" Wuzzat? 2. One last question- I have Another page, with a bluetable stolen from MAGNEDETH, and I have no idea what class="c" and class="l" are. Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The <sc> tag puts things in Small Caps. The classes are defined here for your future reference. The classes l and c make the text left and center aligned respectively. Werdnae (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a zillion! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 15:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
One more thing- I am working on an article, List of Legendary Pokémon, but my template doesn't work. It needs extra coding taken from the template itself to work. Can you tell me how to fix this? Thank you! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 21:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Your template is only the rows. It doesn't have the header in it, (otherwise the rows would break). You need to open the table and put in the headers on the page itself. Basically, the template is telling it to put rows into a table which you haven't made exist on the page. Werdnae (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
How do you make a header? Do I make a page called "User:Focus58/LOLPh" and write {| align="center" style="background: #{{arceus color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{arceus color}};{{roundy|10px}}" |- | {| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{arceus color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;" |- style="background:#{{arceus color light}}" ! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]] ! Sprite ! Name ! Introduced</noinclude>? Or something else? Thanks, ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 23:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
resetting indent If it's just going to be used on one page there's no point in a header template. Just put that code (without the noinclude tags) above the rest of the table. Werdnae (talk) 23:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
O.K. Works fine, but on the the template the "switch|493S=493" ect. ect. is a fail. What needs to work? How do I fix? Thanks a ton, ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
You're using the parameter for the name (parameter 2) to control the switcher, when the results are all expecting the parameter for the ndex number (parameter 1). Werdnae (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't get it... ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 16:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The way it's set up, when you put {{User:Focus58/Lop/legendary|492S|Shaymin|[[Generation IV|Gen. IV]]}} on the page, the switcher is set to use the second parameter to determine the outcome. So it takes "Shaymin" and checks whether it matches any of the predetermined inputs. Since it doesn't, it defaults to displaying the first parameter (in this case 492S). You need to change that so that the switcher is using parameter 1, so it will use "492S" in that example. Werdnae (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

My Sig

Thank You so much for the signature help. I have one question though; how can a make a box to put my images in like for example that box that pokemon sprites are in on their own pages? PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC) PokePrincess


The coding for the current sprite box can be found here, but when you actually include the coding for the subtemplates as well it's remarkably complex because it has to take into account a lot of different scenarios. If you simply want to make a coloured box to put sprites in, then you'd be better off using a simple table. Table basics can be found on Bulbapedia:Wikicode, and I'd suggest looking at the coding for the table section for the background and border coding. Most of that coding is pretty self-explanatory, especially when combined with what the page content. Also, just a note that there's a restriction on when you can edit your userpage - there's a minimum time limit and a minimum mainspace edit limit. It's great to see you're working towards the mainspace edit limit, if you haven't already reached it (I don't know the exact numbers), But you may need to wait a couple of weeks before it will let you edit it. Further details on that can be found on the Userspace policy.
Also, could I get you to change your sig code in your preferences to [[User talk:PokePrincess|PokePrincess]] please? We need it to actually have a link. If you would like to further customise your sig feel free, just ask if you need help. Werdnae (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry about my adding of trivia. I will punish myself and never do again. Besides what I am. How long will it be before I can edit my mainspace. PokePrincess 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The mainspace can be edited by anyone. The userspace has a time and edit limit, the exact number and length of which I don't know. If Special:Preferences says you're a member of autoconfirmed, you can edit it. Once you can, remember the one-edit-per-day limit though. If you want to test out how templates work, they work just as well in previews as they do when the page is saved, so there's no need to save the page. Werdnae (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Just dropping this here for you

For your opinions and such to replace the current two pages. I just merged them together with a cool table too. Kogs mentioned something else being added later, but it escapes me right now but I can find the log. Cheers. --P S Yライダー 16:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking good so far Psy. Definitely agree with merging the two articles, maybe even just replacing the MD section on Rank with that. Werdnae (talk) 19:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


How do you join a project? Thanks.

Donyor, Origin Form 10:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Add your name to the bottom of the list on the page. Simple as that. Note that you don't have to be a project member to edit the sections.
Could I get you to make your signature link to either your userpage or your talk page please? Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 10:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this good:

Donyor, Origin Form 03:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to do it. Could you help?

Donyor, Origin Form 03:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] will give Donyor, Origin Form Werdnae (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

User Page

How do I know when my user page has been added? Will I get an e-mail?

Donyor, Origin Form 08:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

There's no notification that pops up. You'll have to either try editing it or look at your preferences occasionally. If the information in your preferences says that you're in the autoconfirmed usergroup, you can edit it. Werdnae (talk) 08:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Logging Out

Why am I always being logged out of Bulbapedia automatically.

Donyor, Origin Form 08:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Make sure you're checking the "keep me logged in button". Assuming you are, it's probably just a glitch. It happens occasionally, and there isn't really anything we can do about it short term. Our server-side people are considering reconfiguring the setup, which will hopefully fix that bug and the session loss errors. For now, all you can really do is make sure you're checking the box and that your cookies are enabled (Maybe try clearing them too) and just waiting until it goes back to normal. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Werdnae (talk) 09:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Coral Sea

I just did a major edit on the Coral Sea page. I added a lot of detail (maybe too much) and I think it isn't a stub anymore. Also wondering should I tell admins this kind of stuff?

Donyor, Origin Form 09:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

It's no longer a stub, so you can remove the stub tags. When you do, you'll need to rewrite the stuff you added - Information in articles should always be in third person (the player, he, she, they) not second person (you). The difference is that third person is encyclopedic, while second person is more conversational - like a walkthrough. And for most articles, if you are sure it is no longer a stub, you don't need to ask to remove the tag. If it is a featured article, or you're unsure, you can ask any staff member. Werdnae (talk) 05:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Werd

I've made some modifications to Template:Trainerentry/Pokémon and I was wondering what you thought. Extremely small changes would also have to be made to Template:Trainerentry if it was to be implemented but I could help out with that too.--MisterE13 03:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The concept looks good, the current system's just a quick addon. Could I get you to make a demonstration usage on the talk page of your template? Werdnae (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The deed is done.--MisterE13 11:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Right here.--MisterE13 03:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Z.Z. Flyer

The Z.Z. Flyer page is a stub but I looked at it and it's pretty long. Could you check and make sure that wasn't a mistake?

Donyor, Origin Form 09:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, it's not a stub any more. It looks to me like that largest section does need a reword and breaking into paragraphs, so I've left the cleanup tag on for now. That can be removed once that's done though. Thanks for looking to improve the stubs. Werdnae (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

my Speculation page

You said I'd have to make mainspace edits first. I don't get what's to edit (I avoid Pokémon Black and White like the plague, and I don't watch the Japanese anime). What can I contribute?--Darknesslover5000 23:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There's a whole category of Pages needing attention. Many of the ones in the Articles needing improvement subcategory simply need rewording. If you watch the English anime, there are still plenty of pages than need a full sysopsis written. There is also always some Stubs which can be improved. Werdnae (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Alright, and on the note of the english anime, I do watch it, but I don't memorize the episodes and the only anime site I know, is rather useless to watch them on--Darknesslover5000 04:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


Do you know: Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon Questions? -- 22:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I do not know. I don't have one. Werdnae (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Optimizing PNG Images

Hey, I've taken an interest in helping with the archives, one of the things I think could be useful would be if I uploaded new revisions of PNG files that have been optimized for the smallest file size (with no to very little quality difference), such as converting RGB PNG's to Indexed Color PNG's (custom palletes). Anime images are very indexed-color friendly, their size can be signifigantly shrunk with little, if no impact on quality. Is this something worth doing, and would it be alright if I performed such optimizations? It may help with bandwidth/space issues. GetOutOfBox 23:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll bring it up with some of the other Archives staff members. While obviously smaller images will improve loading times and result in reduced bandwidth requirements, I don't think that's the main cause of the loading issues. For the record, space isn't (at least currently) an issue - every revision of every page is saved, even deleted ones. Werdnae (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure. The difference is that with many anime images, especially character images, there are only a few distinct colors used. Hence rather than encoding them in a PNG that uses the entire RGB colorspace, one could simply include palette containing the few colors the image uses. The difference can be very large, with no visual drop. I could give you a few links to comparisons if you'd like (I'll upload them on an external website for now). Obviously bandwidth isn't a large issue (I'm guessing server hardware is more often than not), but anything that could save bulbapedia some bandwidth would be helpful, especially for larger images. GetOutOfBox 01:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Wonder Mail Codes

Is there any reason not to make a page with wonder mail codes on it? - unsigned comment from Donyor (talkcontribs)

Please sign your comments with four tildes. Are there not far too many wondermail codes for that page to be practical? Werdnae (talk) 04:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Link Template

I want to make a new link template, but I don't know how. I looked on the article about it but it wasn't any help. Also how do you know how to make certain templates for your userpage.

Donyor, Origin Form 05:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you want to make the link template for? Templates for the userspace are mostly just tables Use the preview button and removing code to figure out the table coding is the first step. Then, anything in three braces is a parameter (e.g. {{{test|default}}} is a parameter called "test" which defaults to "default") Parameters can be used to alter the outcome over different pages. If the parameter name is a number, then it doesn't need to be named when the template is used, as long as it is that number in the template, counting only unnamed parameters. (That's probably really confusing. Have a look at existing templates to get a better idea.) Also, remember that templates for the userspace should be made in the userspace, so they count towards your limit. They only get moved to the templatespace if they become widely used. Werdnae (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Errrrr, is there a link to the template space for userspace templates, I don't know much wikicode.

Donyor, Origin Form 14:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

If you want to link to the templatespace, you can use the {{template}} template to easily format it like a template. If you want to use a template in the userspace, it works exactly as in the mainspace (just be careful not to include yourself in mainspace categories). Pages in the userspace can be included as templates by putting the full page name in braces, e.g. to include my nav template which is at the top of this page, I use {{User:Werdnae/Nav}}. If you're using a subpage as a template, then you can exclude the page it's included on from the call. e.g. on my userpage, the same template is called by {{/Nav}} Hope that helped. Feel free to ask more if you need to. Werdnae (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Axew and its evolutionary family are the only pure dragon evolutionary family where all the members are pure dragon. Shouldn't that be in the Trivia?

Donyor, Origin Form 08:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC) Make sure you mention that it's only for multi-member families, otherwise Druddigon says hi. It'd probably be best to use the wording from the similar trivia point already on Klink's page. Werdnae (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC) But I'm not supposed to edit Trivia, right?

Donyor, Origin Form 14:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

At the moment. But for consistency it's fine. Just note in the edit summary that I gave you permission to add it, so that it doesn't get reverted. The idea with the rule is to help reduce the pointless additions to trivia while the server's throwing tantrums. I see no reason to remove the good, notable additions to trivia sections just because they are trivia. Werdnae (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page

How does the talk page health thing work? Does it stay fixed or go up/down? Also how do you archive talk page stuff?

Donyor, Origin Form 03:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The talk page health bar is a calculation based on the size of the page. The health goes down as the page increases in size, reaching empty when the page reaches 100kB. It's rather complicated, but the coding for mine is here if you want to reference it. To archive your talk page, use the "move" button at the top of the page to move it to a new name in your user talk space (e.g. User talk:Donyor/Archive 1) Then change the redirect that's left behind to a link to the archive. (The link to a list of my talk page archives is attached to the health bar at the top of the page) Werdnae (talk) 10:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
How did yours on the top of this page get so compact?

Donyor, Origin Form 10:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

There's very little padding on the cells in the table, and the text is set to be a certain size. If it's really big then you've probably got padding or spacing on the cells or something extra inside the cells. Werdnae (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I mean the coding in the link you gave me is link 20 sentences, your s at the top of the page is only like 1. - unsigned comment from Donyor (talkcontribs)
Allow me to reply, Werd. He has only one line of coding because he's calling that page as a template (User:Werdnae/Archive), if you use these: {{ and }}, you can have its entire content without having to clutter the target page up, and even arrange information to make it more automatized! (See the Pokémon articles, see the infoboxes? Those are templates made for easier use, if you checked the source code of the infobox, you'd be very confused, so that's what templates would be for, to manage information neatlier). Masatoshitalk 11:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Oh okay.I would make sure and make a good impression,cause if I can become a Junior Admin.....That's cloud nine !!!!Skarm 21:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Werdnae, I was looking for stubs to fix to pillow my userpage edit and I was looking at Sinnoh routes 227, 230. But they don't look like stubs. Can I remove the stub notices on these. I did that to Green Path and Sinnoh route 220 but I am having second doubts whether or not I made a good call. So I am asking you for your opoain on the matter, since you were the last adim to edit. Truthseeker4449 00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Those articles aren't stubs. Stubs are very short. If they're that long they should really be marked as incomplete instead if they are missing information. You're welcome to remove those tags. Werdnae (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Template Question

I was looking at The Union's page, and noticed that the template listing the Oblivia areas was included. The Union's link is not in this template, so I feel either we could edit the template, or simply take that template out altogether. Can I get your opinion on this matter? EvilKirikizan speaking! 02:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've added it to the template. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you. EvilKirikizan speaking! 13:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Merrick125 and Merrick1252

I believe it's safe to assume that one is a sockpuppet of the other. Just thought you might like to know. BTW, why is TTE's talk page protected... indefinitely? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. As for TTE's talk page, it was getting spammed by people. If he wants it unprotected he can ask any admin. Otherwise, check with Deth - he protected it. Werdnae (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


You said dont edit the timestamp but it is wrong? I edited that page at 00:00 and it says 23:00? Emeraldben 23:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC) < and even that says 23:16?

Look at the top of the page. Right at the top, next to your username. There's a clock. It's UTC. That's what's used. Not local time. I'm guessing you're in the UK based on your time. Remember you're on Daylight savings. So your local time is actually UTC+1. Werdnae (talk) 23:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah right ok, do you know what I have never known what daylight saving time is since it was said in pokemon crystal :L - unsigned comment from EmeraldBen (talkcontribs)

You know how you put your clocks forward every spring and back every Autumn? That's daylight saving. The wiki's clock doesn't do that because it uses the base time which all timezones are based on. Werdnae (talk) 23:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


How long til Archives are back up? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 01:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

If we knew, it'd be in the message from the editor. Not even Zhen Lin, the one who's been actually doing these changes, knows how much longer the archives will need. Until then we just have to make do with the picture we have. Werdnae (talk) 02:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

This Guy

has two accounts, he/she made this one. I know you're only allowed one account, so I didn't know what to do... --☆YoshisWorld☆ 00:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

You just did exactly what you should do. I've taken care of it now. Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 00:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


So it can't be metioned that zubat can get steel wing from a Skarmory? Truthseeker4449 22:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Not on the breeding template in generation IV. Every single one of those Pokemon that learns it via TM can learn it from Skarmory in the same way (assuming they can breed). Refer to point three. Because that's inherently coded into the game as TM move behaviour, there's no need to repeat the TM table again in the breeding section. Werdnae (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


That we have two basguy(insert numbers) Truthseeker4449 21:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

One of them has to be a sockpuppet of the other one. PattyMan 21:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Thats one of my thoughts, my other is it might be that vandal that PSY blocked 3 hours or so ago. Truthseeker4449 21:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Sock of another, unrelated to the earlier vandal. --P S Yライダー 21:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
As I expected. PattyMan 21:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Sprite sandbox.

Leaved note about it. Most (I think all NON-shiny back sprites are there, and as far as I remember, the only shiny back sprites missing are from Crystal [as some Pokémons have their sprites changed, like eg. Sunkern], FR/LG, HG/SS and japanese games) back sprites are on Archives, just under different name. Emerald (and at least Platinum onward) has animated back sprites. While eg. Pidgey (yes, PIDGEY), is just moving, Blaziken sprite "receives" red color in Emerald Marked +-+-+ 10:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


For some reason, there are two Sandra Falls that signed up at the same time. Might be sockpuppets of one another. PattyMan 22:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorted. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Werdnae (talk) 22:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


I just assumed that if I waited for it to be approved, it would sit there being ignored for weeks (I did test it out before i mainspaced it). Vuvuzela2010 07:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't blame you, that does happen. Generally a quick reminder on a staff member's talk page should be enough. That reminds me, I'll preview a few more tests of that Jp Blue addition to the availability template and put that into use. Werdnae (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Actually, could you do this edit request for me? Its to hide the O and S that currently appear next to Giratina and Shaymin's dex numbers in the Mystery Dungeon section of the Version exclusives page. Cheers. Vuvuzela2010 08:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Done. The jp blue foeld is also live. Werdnae (talk) 08:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Cheers. Could you also add the Japanese Blue to Template:Catch/entry1, I can add the location info from here. Vuvuzela2010 08:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll look into it, but I'll need to look closer at how the template works as a whole. It may require more than just the one change to make it work properly, so it'll be a day or two before it's ready. Werdnae (talk) 09:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

My edit

Why did you revert my edit on BW40? That's a perfectly good synopsis that could have been altered when more info is released! --Skarm (tAlk) 00:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Your talk page edit indicated it was from Serebii, at least partly. Serebii does not like people stealing his information. Any and all information taken from Serebii is considered theft and will be removed on sight. If you want to write a synopsis, watch the episode yourself and write it properly. Don't just take it from someone else. Werdnae (talk) 00:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I am a member of Serebii and asked him...he hasn't replied, and the episode, I don't think has even aired yet! But sorry, I won't take anything from Serebii anymore, although I hardly see how someone can steal words... --Skarm (tAlk) 00:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, if he hasn't replied, how can you be sure that he approves? --☆ヨッシ の世界☆ 00:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll watch BW40 when it airs in Japan and write one, fuck Serebii. --Skarm (tAlk) 00:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC) PS. Sorry if that counts as flaming someone --Skarm (tAlk) 00:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Stealing words is such a major thing it has a name. Plagiarism. Also, Serebii has stated to Bulbagarden staff on multiple occasions that he does not want his work used on our site. I can guarantee he will not give you his approval, even if you ask. Werdnae (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, sorry, It won't happen again. --Skarm (tAlk) 00:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Did you forget something?

Category talk:TM moves that All Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn are we moving this or not. -Truthseeker4449 20:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Since I offered a possible name, I wanted other admins to make the decision on what to call it - I'd be biased. I haven't had the time to do much more than check my watchlist lately, so yes, I had forgotten about it. Werdnae (talk) 21:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


Your second archive has a redlink to the no longer existent Glitchy Charizard Talk Page. Is changing the link allowed? ~Enervation 17:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. for maintenance purposes, it's fine. It's just new comments that aren't allowed. Werdnae (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Animated GIFs

If that is the case (I'm moving discussion here from the Paralysis talk page), can anything be done about this? Its just frozen on a still of Lugia's big angry eye and its hardly helpful for information. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorted. Anime images should only be animated if the move/ability is rather difficult to describe with still images. And even then, needs to be done in such a way that people who can only see the still images can still see something. This move, a single still is more than adequate to portray it, so I've changed it back to a still image. Werdnae (talk) 04:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Would you also fix these? a:File:Zapdos Thunderbolt.png, a:File:Moltres Flamethrower.png and a:File:Articuno Ice Beam.png. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 02:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Done. Werdnae (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


You know what, I give up. Nobody can listen to reason. I'm leaving not coming back etc... I' sure you have heard it before. But before I do hear me out.

Leaf's name. Where did it come from? She was not in the anime at all. If I'm wrong (and I'm 99% positive I'm not) what episode? Her manga counterpart was Green. (Blue in Japan) Her name is never officially stated in the games Pokemon Fire Red and Pokemon Leaf Green, which are the only games that she makes an appearance. Leaf isn't THE default name, but simply one of the many that she can have if the player did not enter a name and is playing Leaf Green. The only place where she is known as Leaf in an official source is, as a dummy trainer inside the game. (Probably to test battles or as a place holder) Furthermore this knowledge was originally obtained through illegal methods, by opening up the Rom in some program.

She has no official name. If the name is based on internal data, then it's important to list that. If it isn't based on internal data and she has no official name, Then its a fan name, so it's important to list that. Why do you refuse to acknowledge this? After all this IS an online encyclopedia specializing in Pokemon, is it not? One would think that this would be important trivia. VoodooChild 21:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

If you wanted to be heard out, then you should have commented on the talk page. Edit wars, or reverting reverts, are bad, and accomplish nothing. Constantly re-saving your version of the page won't make it stay like that. It'll just get it protected, so that it can be discussed on the talk page. By protecting it, I was not saying that I have an opinion on the matter, just that you need to stop edit warring and discuss it on the talk page. Werdnae (talk) 00:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Bulbapedia Staff

Perhaps, but I would just like to give a contribution.

I tried several times to log in successfully to log in with my Bulbapedia account on the forums. So I learned it's a seperate ordeal, but then when I tried to create a new forum account...well, it just didn't let me. Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss 04:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Did you try and use this name? There is a character limit, unfortunately. What was the error message you received? —darklordtrom 05:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

"Message from webpage" "Incorrect. Please try again."

"Username is valid and not in use."

"I have read, and agree to abide by the Bulbagarden Forums rules."

The only section I did not fill out was the "Referrer."

I'd take a picture and post it here...except I don't know how. Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss 07:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Did you complete the Captcha (the anti-spambot thing) correctly? Werdnae (talk) 08:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, so hard to navigate, and Bulbapedia doesn't even send an email notice. I got no idea what that Captcha thing is. Guess it's too late anyway, anyways. Thanks for your patience. Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss 06:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

For replies, you can set your watchlist to email you when pages are changed. The captcha thing on the forums is currently, I believe, a visual puzzle that must be solved. The idea being that it can't be solved by a computer, reducing the potential for spambots to sign up. If it's not completed properly, the system thinks that you aren't a person and prevents the account from being created. As it's image-based, it can take a while to show up on slow connections. Werdnae (talk) 07:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hi. I want one of my userpages, User:YoshisWorld/Yoshi's Pokémon, to be deleted. After realizing I don't edit it much anyway, it seems useless to have it. Thanks. Delete ASAP. --☆ヨッシ の世界☆ 21:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 22:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Main Page

Didn't we just do E city Truthseeker4449 02:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. We did. There's basically a page for each day of the week, and no-one had written anything for the Monday during that week. I didn't have the time to write one myself, but Adyniz did, and was able to write something for the English release of M14. Thanks Ady, and thanks Truthseeker for pointing it out. Werdnae (talk) 07:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


I apologize for the signature issue. If it is not offensive and has the username thing in it, it is okay? I changed it to 'No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A.' I mentioned that I borrowed a line from a song, is that allowed? Just curious... I have another one in case that one isn't allowed. - unsigned comment from Mpcamel1729 (talkcontribs)

That looks fine to me. The problem with the old one was that there wasn't an obvious reflection of your username in your sig. Werdnae (talk) 02:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Robo Groudon

Hi! I'm not sure how to find the talk page. I haven't been to bulbapedia very long. An admin didn't remove my edit. I was trying to get it into Trivia. Should I have just edited it without saying edit and I'm not making this up? I found something false on bulbapedia not too long ago about Cooltrainer Cida and Equin being battled more than once. How come I can't battle them again? - unsigned comment from MichaelXD (talkcontribs)

The talk page can be found by clicking the "Discussion" tab at the top of the page. You can also get there by navigating to Talk:Pagename (in this case, Talk:Robo Groudon). And yes, you should have added it simply explaining how to do it. The articles here are part of an encyclopedia, and so need to be written like one, not like a forums post. That was pretty much all that was wrong with your edit. (If you're going to say "I'm not making this up", it does make us consider the possibility that you are.) If you think you can rewrite it in a style that matches the rest of the page, you're welcome to add it back. Don't worry about proof or anything. Werdnae (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon League Naming System

Hey Werdnae, since you’re the head of games I’m coming to you with an issue I’ve noticed. I noticed that there is an inconsistency in the naming of Pokémon Leagues. It’s understandable that the Kanto and Johto leagues are named the Indigo league, but the page for the Pokémon league in Hoenn is named Hoenn League, while Sinnoh and Unova are named “Pokémon Leauge (Sinnoh/Unova). Why are these two named differently from Hoenn? I think in order to keep consistency Hoenn should be moved to “Pokémon League (Hoenn)” or if there’s another solution maybe something else can be worked out. Any Thoughts? Thanks! --Pokemaster97 04:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The Sinnoh and Unova ones are at that location because that's what they are called in-game. Likewise the Indigo league. Hoenn league. . . I don't know. Jo checked and a woman just outside Hoenn's Victory road says "The POKéMON LEAGUE is only a short distance after the VICTORY ROAD. If you've come this far, what choice do you have but to keep going?". So I'd say bring it up on the talk page, and see if anyone can provide a reason it should stay there. If not, we can move it to "Pokémon League (Hoenn)". Werdnae (talk) 07:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Um, you two seem to be confused. The Sinnoh and Unova counterparts to Indigo League and Hoenn League are Sinnoh League and Unova League, while the Kanto (Indigo) and Hoenn counterparts to Pokémon League (Sinnoh) and Pokémon League (Unova) are Indigo Plateau and Ever Grande City. The first group is the organizations (so includes the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and Champion), the second group is the name of the place where the Elite Four and Champion reside (or where the Pokémon League tournament is held in the anime, which is why Mt. Silver is with them on the navigation template). --SnorlaxMonster 09:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh I see what you are saying, the only other organizational page I saw was Hoenn's. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Sorry for trouble. --Pokemaster97 15:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
And there we go. Thanks SM. Werdnae (talk) 07:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Help me Reword it and please restore my last glitch

Ok can you help me reword it? Ability Changing Glitch This glitch is common in Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness. When a Pokemon is capable of having more than one ability, such as Golduck's Cloud Nine which can be tested or proven by using combinations such as Rain Dance + Thunder, Sunny Day + Solarbeam, or Hail + Blizzard, etc. and then during the weather effects Thunder or Blizzard misses or Solarbeam has to charge up even though it's sunny. K.O. the Pokemon and then get it from Miror B. Go to the PC and check the Pokemon's stats and it now has a 50% chance of changing its ability. It is possible now that the Golduck can have Damp even it appeared to have Cloud Nine in the first battle. Another way of activating the glitch is to lose to a trainer that has a Shadow Pokemon that is capable of having more than one ability. Example, to trigger this glitch on Greevil enter the battle with his Moltres and Rhydon without an Electric move. If you use an Electric move, it will automatically reveal its ability and the glitch will fail. Save before you fight him the second time and you would have already snagged Lugia. Get into a battle and use an Electric attack on Moltres. Reset and then attempt to use an Electric type on Moltres again and have Rhydon block it with Lightningrod. This glitch has been confirmed on youtube.

[edit]EXP Glitch This glitch only works on Pokemon Colosseum. When your opponent is down to their last Pokemon, have one Pokemon use Perish Song while the other uses something to burn, Will-o-wisp, or poison, Toxic, to poison the enemy. Then DO NOT faint the Pokemon. If the Pokemon faints to any of your attacks, the glitch will fail. If it faints to the Toxic, your Pokemon will gain EXP Points. Then when the countdown of Perish Song starts, you'll gain the same amount of EXP Points you earned as for the EXP Points gained for the Pokemon that was defeated. EXP Points will be awarded twice to both Pokemon no matter which side they're on, left or right. This glitch was removed in Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness but was in Colosseum for unknown reasons.

If you feel like these don't follow the code of conduct, then I'm sorry but I post everything in my best grammar. I'm tired of people telling me I don't use good grammar because that is nonimportant and untrue. I am 15. You in general means the player, since I don't know what you name yourselves but respectively, what words should I use that still make sense? Anyway my article about the EXP Share glitch in the 4th gen game was removed. Could you JAs restore it please? I'm pretty sure I discovered an EXP Share glitch where your Pokemon would gain one less EXP Point if it was holding EXP Share and it defeated a Pokemon in battle that you know how many EXP Points it wages. (MichaelXD 23:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC))

I don't have time to do the full reword myself. If I did, I'd just have done it. For the final paragraph, it should go something like this:
"In Pokémon Colosseum, an opponent's last Pokémon may give experience twice if it faints due to damage from a status effect while also affected by Perish Song. This was fixed in Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness."
The idea is that rather than using "you" as a substitute for naming the player, you write it in such a way that you don't need to refer to the player in that manner at at all.
For the Experience Share "glitch", all rounding goes downwards. If the experience rewarded would have been odd, (e.g. 101) then half of that gives in a number ending in .5 (in the example, 50.5). That is then rounded down (50), meaning that a total of one experience point is lost. It's not a glitch, it's how the calculation works. That's why it was removed from the glitch page.
I don't care how old you are. You're still expected to follow the proper style of an encyclopedia when you add stuff here. Werdnae (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I was saying that I didn't know how to word things. Was I not supposed to state how to perform the glitch but write the article about how the glitch operates? I thought that the Pokemon gaining one less EXP Point due to EXP Share was a glitch. When I use 2 Pokemon in double battle I usually think the one not battling with it earns the sum of the EXP Points earned while the Lucky Egg brings extra EXP Points. It's the same as having a traded Pokemon without Lucky Egg. I wasn't making an excuse. I just have never edited things for the public before so I don't know how anything should be worded around here. I have made an edit to include the game. Also there is a glitch on Pokemon XD. One is the ability changing glitch and another is the platform glitch. I'll try to get rid of I and you if that is causing you a pain. Again, I'm sorry. (MichaelXD 15:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC))

{{fiorepkmn}} Template

Instead of the Poké Assist linking to a type, wouldn't it make more sense to link it to the Poké Assist page at the respective section?--Chalkwriter 20:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. I've also changed the corresponding Almia template. I haven't changed the Oblivia template, as assists in Guardian Signs only use the assist type to determine the effectiveness of the assist, effect is dependent on the Pokémon. Werdnae (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Location Images

Those images I tagged as unsatisfactory are fan-made. Look at them again. They are not in game screenshots. Pictures that are fan made are considered unsatisfactory and should be replaced. ZMT123 03:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. You're right. They are composites. Some articles with screenshots like that have the unsatisfactory template on so I thought they were. ZMT123 03:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Error in EXP Points Group Fast & Medium Fast

Hi. I would like to inform that there seems to be an error in the EXP Points group. For my favorite video game Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness I wrote which EXP group every Pokemon was in. That includes Rapidash, the Shadow Pokemon that is snagged from Cipher Peon Kolest on Citadark Isle and I checked the amount of experience points my Ponyta has at level 28 in Pokemon Pearl and how many she has left to level 29. Hence I am raising her to level 30. When I checked my chart on Microsoft Excel, she seemed to be in the actual Fast group. Not the Medium fast group. You should be surprised that I just don't start randomly editing anywhere without any proof. Also I didn't know how to send a message before but no one removed my edit about battling Chobin. Only about the genders and abilities for anime Pokemon which I was warned for. I stopped because I didn't want to make whoever ran it angry. Ponyta and Rapidash have 1,000,000 at level 100, not 800,000. (MichaelXD 13:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC))

I just checked, and my Rapidash in White is in the Medium Fast group (216000 EXP at level 60). Can you perhaps use Rare Candies to get some level data (you don't need to save after using them; you can just reset and you won't lose any)? Also, I think your last statement s backwards. At level 100, we do say Ponyta and Rapidash have 1,000,000 EXP; if it were in the Fast group, it would have 800,000. --SnorlaxMonster 15:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I did train Rapidash to level 60 once for the Orre Colosseum and I'm looking at my chart I got from here. Is the table wrong or something? I only have one Rare Candy and I'll have to see again either when I get Rapidash in Pearl or battle a Cipher Peon on Citadark Isle again who has a Rapidash and then purify it. I didn't catch Rapidash in my last game because I rushed and was trying to get a glitch to work that only operates on Citadark Isle. (MichaelXD 00:12, 16 January 2012 (UTC))

Edit, ok my table is wrong perhaps. I got in the mix when I wrote my table. So you're right and I'm wrong. I thought Medium Fast was right next to Erratic. (MichaelXD 00:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC))


is vandalizing an inactive user's page. Block and revert, please!--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 06:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Werdnae (talk) 06:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Route Maps

Hello, Werdnae. I saw some edits that you and ZMT123 made regarding route maps. You undid his edits saying that those composite images were ok. However, I was told on the forums some time ago that those pictures should be replaced because they were self made and are actually not from the game. Here was where I asked about this issue. Have things changed? --HoennMaster 17:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

The tile-composite images are accurate representations of the in-game maps and are quite high quality, they're not bad images and don't need to be tagged as such. While they should eventually be replaced with proper ripped maps, they're certainly not top priority due to fair quality & proper representation. Now, grainy scanned maps; those are bad and should be tagged for immediate replacement with high quality maps. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 08:46, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Names of types in other languages

So at least the purpose of the tables is clear (and also it is the purpose they should have - something I'm not always sure about in our PokéWiki). I can't tell how things are with the english localisation of the Anime but I totally know what you're meaning. I will try to work something out about our tables with the new information. Thanks for helping :) --Wenlok Holmes 09:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad I could help. Werdnae (talk) 02:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox location

I think you should look at the talk page of Template:Infobox location. --Wildgoosespeeder 07:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

It looks like a talk page. To be expected I suppose, given it is one. I'd be surprised if it looked like a template or a table. Werdnae (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Replied. --Wildgoosespeeder 22:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


You might want to do something about these page comments as it is getting out of control. PattyMan 17:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon Move Template

A little while ago, I asked how to get the template onto the move pages under the main template. You gave me some HTML, but the problem with that was that it left so much white space at the top of the page. How should this be fixed, or should the template be reserved for MD-exclusive moves?--Chalkwriter 19:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon World Map

The current world maps don't show enough information about where the locations are. Would it be possible for you (or someone else) to update it sometime?--Chalkwriter 17:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


Good afternoon Game Leader!

About the moves' description, from which other games should I take information aside from the main series games,colosseum and XD ?----DJWolfy 15:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd lean towards just those ones. If you're going to get any others, the Mystery Dngeon games and Rumble games have moves, but the MD descriptions are much longer - more like our effects sections, and the descriptions in Rumble only deal with secondary effects, so many moves don't even have them. Werdnae (talk) 04:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

My usertag template

Hey, I used your usertag coding as base for my Usertag template. I changed it a lot though. I hope you don't mind that I used it. I'll change it if you choose so. --×Rsrdaman× 23:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Next time you borrow someone's code, you must ask them (and get a response) before you take the code. Not after you've already done it. Also, I don't really count changing a couple of colours and a few words as changing it "a lot". I'd prefer you use the code to build something that you can call your own. Rather than something that's a carbon copy of someone else's code. You should also credit people when you do use their code. At minimum in the edit summary, however if the user you are taking to code from requests it then you will need to credit them in the output code. Werdnae (talk) 04:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, well sorry then. I did credit you in the wikicode though. So, did you want me to take it down?--×Rsrdaman× 00:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd rather that you change it more to make it truly your own, rather than just flat taking it down. Give it your own style. If you learn some more wikicode doing so, then that's a bonus. Werdnae (talk) 03:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Brother's Friend Didn't get an Activation Notice Email

My brother's friend says he signed up with an account a couple weeks ago. I didn't see him create the account. There were very little names. He signed up with the name ShadowLugia and he wanted to come on here to make edits, have a profile, contact some people, even interact with me and he has gotten no email in his inbox. I believe that he's still trying to help us with our situation that I'm not a sock of my sibling and he has a sibling of his own. He wants to explain that after he proves that we're not him. My brother also has a friend named Ruckus Jorgee. If he has tried to register and received no activation notice email, please send one to him too. He is neither IMMORAL or AMORAL because whatever Serebii said to him on his profile about a year ago isn't true. (MichaelXD 19:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC))

If you are talking to an admin about something on their talk page, keep it on that staff member's talk page. Do not ask other staff members the same thing just because you don't like the response. We do communicate, and we see what is said on each other's talk page. Continue this on the talk page on which you started it. Werdnae (talk) 02:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Pokegeek already saw it and I and he worked it out. I'll keep it on Magnedeth's page for now since one of his friend, I assume, linked me to the staff of bulbapedia. (MichaelXD 03:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC))

Excuse me. I have a question about this. If a member informs the staff or admin, creator, or webmaster of a site that they have a friend at their IP address, sibling, or cousin, do they communicate about it with other staff so that they don't falsely accuse them of ban evasion or sockpuppeting because that's what my brother's friend Ruckus Jorgee was accused of on multiple forums. I'm sure you've heard of him here in an argument in relation to serebii when he saw some guy named ShinyMew get on the forum who he claims is Jess. Ruckus Jorgee says he is Max's friend as well. (MichaelXD 18:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC))

Hey Werdnae, I'm MichaelXD's Older Brother

Hello. I just came to tell you that I am not MichaelXD's sockpuppet account. I am his older brother. My friend is getting his phone charged up so he can call a friend and communicate with them. I don't know how nothing showed up in his email. His email address is [email protected] the one my brother was complaining about that his account here was never activated and he never received a confirmation email notice for his name but at least I'm happy that my name was available and on the list for registration. Is there anything else you'd like to say? I can prove that I am MichaelXD's brother because I was nice enough to help pack him a lunch for his field trip. I talked to him on his talk page. (Cycling Road 18:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC))

Bulbagarden Forums

The administrator has banned your email address. You will need to change your email address in order to continue. If you think this is done in error, please click here to contact the administrator. - whenever I try to register with my e-mail, this happens... is there is an account that was automatically created? I don't remember registering on Bulbagarden Forums before. Marked +-+-+ 19:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

There's no automatic account created on the forums for wiki accounts. The software is different and there are technical barriers to doing so. I'm not sure exactly why it's saying that. Have you tried clicking the link in the error message? Werdnae (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


I'm sorry if I'm interrupting you, but three users have very identical names and have just been created in a short period of time. I have already asked one about it, but I doubt I'm gonna get a response. So I was hoping you would do something about it.--ForceFire 06:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing them to my attention. Werdnae (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Pregnant Stool

Self-explanatory! Pokégeek 11:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Delayed response: I'm a bit iffy on that one. It's borderline, not really bad in my opinion. Werdnae (talk) 03:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

How many edits?

I know that when I'm editing my user pages, this text shows up:

"You are currently editing your userpage or a page in the user namespace. All edits to this page must be in accordance with the userspace policy. You may not make more than three edits to this namespace per day. Please limit your edits and preview before saving."

Does it mean that I can make only three edits for all the pages in total or on a single page? --FinnishPokéFan92 15:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Userspace total. So if you make one edit to your main userpage, and then two edits to user subpages, that's fine. But just be sure to make at least four mainspace edits before making the three userspace edits. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 16:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. So if I've made one edit to my main userpage and two edits to a subpage, is it OK or not to make one more edit to the subpage? (Sorry, I just want to be sure.) --FinnishPokéFan92 17:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
If I'm understanding correctly, that'd be four userspace edits. While it's preferred you just stick with three, if you slip up and make a fourth to correct a minor spelling error, or a redlink/incorrect category, we'll be a bit more lenient. Just don't make a habit out of it. But four major edits is a no. Pick three you want to make first, then save the fourth for another day. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 17:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Got it. I'll just make one quick edit to a subpage and then leave it be. And I promise, this won't become a habit. The last thing I want is my userpage getting locked once again. --FinnishPokéFan92 17:42, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Jo. Werdnae (talk) 03:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The promotion

Congratulations on becoming the next Editor-in-Chief. PattyMan 20:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, congrats from me as well!. Cheers! --Pokemaster97 20:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Let's not get ahead of ourselves :P Werdnae is the new deputy Editor-in-Chief. But congratulations on your appointment, Werd, I know you'll fill those shoes better than I ever did :) —darklordtrom 05:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 05:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Remember me?

Congratulations! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 15:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 05:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Do you think he should be blocked, due to that name being an offensive name to those of Latin and South American descent?--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 01:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

You would be better off asking someone who is from South America, as I do not understand how that is racist. Werdnae (talk) 05:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sidegame Ranger Sprites

Could we update the Ranger part of the {{Sidegame}} template to accommodate sprites, as I think this will add a bit more colour to the sections (although there might be a problem with some sprites, like these three).--Chalkwriter 14:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Werd?--Chalkwriter 12:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. Might be nice, I'd have to see if there's space for it. Some (Steelix from Ranger 1, several legendaries in Ranger 2 and 3 spring to mind as well as those that you've linked) are rather large, so there'll need to be a decent space for it. Werdnae (talk) 21:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Podcast

Per this forum we over at Pokémon Wiki were wondering if you guys would like to be part of our podcast? We have agreed to the fact that it should cover the Pokémon series and all that stuff. But we figured that it'd be best to work with more than one wiki. Additionally, were we to work together, it would help build a firmer relation between the two wikis. With the two wikis working together for a podcast, it would help bring a wider viewership in, which would help advertise both wikis.

I understand completely if you guys don't want to be part, we just feel it'd be a great project for the two wikis to work on together.

Additionally, I wasn't quite sure who I should've messaged or if I should've placed it in the forums. So apologies if I did anything wrong in that case. --Jazzi 22:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You'd probably be best off talking to the Bulbacast staff. Werdnae (talk) 10:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


I thought that since the Anime and Games call it happiness, that it would be the correct term for it. Am I misunderstanding something? 태권도 합기도 00:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

It's called Friendship in the games though (At the very least from Generation IV onwards).As for the anime, as far as I'm aware the only time it was actually mentioned was in DP010, based on the Friendship checker app for the Pokétch. As far as I can tell, "Happiness" was a fan-made term, before it was actually specifically named in the media. Werdnae (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for clearing that up. 태권도 합기도 01:13, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon Templates

Hey Werdnae, I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but I know that you work with the Mystery Dungeon games. I have a suggestion for the templates that are in the first game dungeons, that describe the recruit rates of the Pokemon and their levels. I was thinking that there could be another column added to these table-thingys that basically said what friend area that pokemon lived in. Its just an idea, but I wanted to share it. Thank you for listening! -zeusfireair Zeusfireair 20:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to note it. I'll discuss with some other admins the best way to note it. Werdnae (talk) 05:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Surf, the variation

Um, see I'm not trying tro start an edit war about wether Surf is a variation of Flamethrower or not, but I just noticed it is. The thing is, I know the othe variations can cause status problems unlike Surf, but then I see no reason why Ice Beam is counted as a variation, because it has 10 PP, and not 15 like the others, including Surf. RSVP. PSinha 12:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

That is the reason behind the discussion taking place on the forums. Last time it was discussed, a 5PP difference was deemed acceptably similar, however status chance required no variation. Some people, including several staff members, feel that it is too lenient and so the discussion was started. We'll continue to use the previous decision until a new one is made. Werdnae (talk) 00:40, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I tell you, according to me, if you can accept a 5 PP difference, then certainly you can accept an absence of a secondary effect. What I'm saying is, either both Surf and Ice Beam are variations of Flamethrower, or none of the two. PSinha 07:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Hey, isn't Surf an awesome move? (Along with its variations, of course)

Hey, it's been 2 days and you haven't replied yet! Think of this as a reminder.````

That is the reason behind the discussion taking place on the forums. Some people, including several staff members, feel that it is too lenient and so the discussion was started. We'll continue to use the previous decision until a new one is made. Werdnae (talk) 09:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


Is there another way to read about the Turkey Shot ? Since the page has been deleted ins't there any copy of it or some related information ?----DJWolfy 20:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

No. It was never anything especially important. Just garden variety vandalism. Werdnae (talk) 20:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Well if it had its own page, then definitely was something a bit uncommon.. can I get a small summary of the happening ? ----DJWolfy 21:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Remember, it was made when Bulbapedia was in its infancy. When the site was so small that any vandalism was rare. Werdnae (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes I understand... Thanks, I guess.----DJWolfy 21:06, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Wifi battling

When battling players via wifi, the message "The connection with the other person has been lost.", shows up every now and then. I checked my Internet connection and it was fine. Did the opponent player press run to forfeit the match or was it something else? Something strange is going on. PattyMan 20:45, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't have a clue. I've never been in a Wi-Fi battle. Just don't have the time, and until very recently, getting my game online was a rather convoluted process, because I had to change my router settings, which I couldn't do when someone else was trying to use the internet. Werdnae (talk) 00:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Pokemon Stadium 2

Would it be okay if I make a section on the Earl's Pokémon Academy and/or Library parts of the game? G50 03:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey there, Werd asked me to respond since he doesn't have experience with the Stadium games. I've only rented the second game for a week or so when I was little, but I still own the first one, and if these are anything like the first game's sections, I think a section on the article would be okay. Mind going a little more in-depth on what these are like/for in the game? Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 07:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The Library is where the full in depth details on Pokémon items, attacks, Pokémon, basically everything in detail about how Pokémon works in RBY and GSC. In Earl's Academy, he has three levels of tests that a player has to go through. Each level has a Tutorial, Tutorial Section Quiz, level quiz, and several battles to move on to the next level. The battles test a player's ability to use what they learned in the tutorial to win a specially made battle. G50 07:26, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Maybe for now, just expand their sections on the Stadium 2 page. If they get too big, we can consider splitting them off. Werdnae (talk) 08:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


Hello, I've decide to write a new article and even got down to do it, but I don't understand what to write as an introduction to the page. Please help. (And don't start writing it yourself!). The article I want to write is, "Controls", and it's about the controls used to navigate arond in the games, use the menu, control the player, and all. Help me. PSinha 10:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's an article we need. The controls aren't complex enought to warrant a page. Werdnae (talk) 11:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Then how do you explain those many articles that have so less info that when they're complete they are shorter than stubs? PSinha 13:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC) For example, Sinnoh Pokémon Hustle.
Each article should be judged on its own merits. 'We have this so why not that' is the reason we have to have notability policies. I'm sorry, but I don't see a need for an article on the game controls. Werdnae (talk) 10:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by an article's merits? No, I mean I don't understand. And the Controls page has the potential to be as long as a page about someone's Pokémon. (Not counting Ash's Pikachu)- unsigned comment from PSinha (talkcontribs)
It means that "We have <existing page>, so why not <potential page>?" is an invalid argument. I don't doubt that a controls page could be long. List pages generally are. What I doubt is that it could be a quality page that is worth having. Werdnae (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Count the number of pages that people don't even want to look at and you will realise why there are so many pages on Bulbapedia.PSinha 12:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


I was wondering... I've read somewhere on BP that a user could request a usertag to be made for his own language. Does this still apply ? ----DJWolfy 13:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer that people just use the generic language level tags, such as {{Babel N}} for languages with which we don't have a partner wiki. That tag is used by putting {{Babel N|Abbreviation|Wikipedia article title|What you want the tag to say, in the language that you are referring to}} Werdnae (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Uhm, not like this, I'm usually sparce when it comes to page coding so if there was a possibility to be a {{User ro}} as there is for others.----DJWolfy 22:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
What I'm saying with that, is I don't think we should have as many of those specific language ones as we do. Tags like that should be reserved for languages that we have a partner wiki for in my opinion. It wasn't like that in the past, but I think it should be from now on. Werdnae (talk) 00:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Uhm okay... so there's no chance of me getting an own template.. ----DJWolfy 12:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Currently, yes. You should be able to get the same result from the Babel N template I mentioned above (i.e. is should look like there is a tag for it when you look at the output). If you can't, let me know. The whole point of those templates is so that people can have a tag for a language that doesn't have its own. So if you can't get it to do what it should, the template may need to be changed. Werdnae (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Na, as I previously told, I'm sparce with coding space so I'll just wait for 4 more Romanians to join (I've read that in order a new template to be made, at least 5 people have to use it). Anyway, I have a country tag so it implies that I'm a native speaker.----DJWolfy 22:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Missed it.

Everyday I check that column on the Main Page that changes everyday. But I missed 25 May's update. Is it possible for me to see in any way? Please help. PSinha 12:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

We have a full archive of what we put in the feature contents box.--ForceFire 13:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Not random.

The 'Random Page' link is not working. It constantly shows the same page over and over again. (Though the page repeated is different for each instance). In one case it showed one page 6 times, then showed another 3 times, then went back to the first page. I frequently use the button and this is a serious problem. Please do something. PSinha 08:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any problem with it, I get a different page each time. Sounds like your browser is caching the result. Werdnae (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


Hey Werd, I've seen some pages have inconsistencies between them when it comes to the "In games" section. For example, some have sub-sections as <game name> while others In <game name>. How should they be ?----DJWolfy 13:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd say they don't all need to be the same. It depends more on the layout and phrasing of the sections. Werdnae (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

multiple accounts

Pacman72 and Pacman69 are the same person according to the creation log. G50 01:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Taken care of. Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 02:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. G50 02:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Image file for upload

[1] This should be added to the Akuroma Page. I don't seem to have the ability to upload images so I'll leave this here. User:JamesRaynor

Mind if I ask where that image is from? Also, file uploading is done over on the Bulbagarden Archives, you should be able to upload it there. Log in with the same username/password as here if you're not already. Werdnae (talk) 06:40, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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