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Please make sure to keep bugging me to a minimum. If I bug you on your talk page, keep the conversation there.

Hey guess what!

I'm posting this from my new DSi! Bet it logs me out on my computer! That sucks!

Ah well. At least I can't miss anything now! And the anipngs work here (too bad the roundycorners don't...)! TTEchidna 07:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC) I dont want a dsi, cuz no gba slotsShiny_Rayquaza 12:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Woo! Now you have no excuse to not be on constantly. Except for "sleep" (Psh) The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 12:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


ok i want to start a colum in wich i predict what happens in this weeks pokemon japan epise :) totoRulz 20:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, just do it in your userspace, i.e. at [[User:Totojo158/<Subpage name>]]. Keep the edits there to a minimum, remember. — THE TROM — 21:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

??? Category

Arceus can still get this category and the pages are protected. *tc26* 13:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Arceus is technically in no type category. It's floating around all eighteen of them a little less than four times a minute. All it can do is link to the category for one second, and then poof, it's gone. And since the category is protected from creation so no one decides to create it, we've got no need to worry. TTEchidna 17:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Golden Bulbasaur Award

A bit of text in there says that the Golden Slowpoke goes to whoever made the worst new page. Shouldn't that be changed from "Worst new page" to "Worst Contribs"? EDIT: It just occurred to me that you've done the Top contributors and the Top contributors of the month, but not the Golden Bulbasaur... --Alpha TotodileListen closely... 11:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


Why the **** did you delete a template that I created?

Shiny_Rayquaza 17:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? I checked your contribs, and none of the three templates you created were deleted... --Alpha TotodileListen closely... 18:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah huh, this asshole deleted my F*** yeah seaking tag, i just restored it today Shiny_Rayquaza 19:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I created it, bud. It's not notable enough to be its own tag; hardly anyone used mine. TTEchidna 19:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

oh man! this fucking asshole got so owned! SNAP! shit son! oh wait a minute, you just insulted the Editor-in-chief of the website. hate to say it Shy Raq, but thats probably the last person you want to insult around here. i might be the second to last. -- MAGNEDETH 19:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

EPIC FAIL!!!--Clarky13 19:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I find the fact that he used asterisks more hilarious than his random RAWR-CAPSLOCK!RAGE!!!1one. Does that make me a bad person? --Darkeiya talk to me! 01:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
no, youre totally rightShiny_Rayquaza 12:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
if its any consolation, i use that tag on my page, along with some that I made like "over 9000" Shiny Rayquaza 20:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you

Are you totally excited about the announcement of a new game. I think we both know this is what you and I have been waiting for so long. Woohoo, SGMS (GSDS) here we come. If indeed this game is the Gold and Silver remakes, do we move the appenidx page to the mainspace, or do we create a seperate page for the actual game, and leave the page with all the hints and speculation alone? Max King 21:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

We'll decide soon. TTEchidna 21:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Can I ask why you blocked me on Aim? Aim really makes a big help reducing talk page edits, as you know, usually I just asked you a question about the wiki on there, instead of taking up space on our poor old server. Max King 21:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Another Template...

Like it?--Clarky13 21:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems okay, but round out the bottom, too. TTEchidna 21:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I like itShiny_Rayquaza 13:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

There we are. Nice and smooth.--Clarky13 22:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

YOU !!!

I AM PISSED !!!!!! U DELETED MY USERPAGE!!! totoRulz 14:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Way to fail at wiki, kid. TTEchidna 22:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

you need to sign your commentsShiny_Rayquaza 13:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

at leats i dont fail at life! like u! totoRulz 14:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Oooooh, TTE got owned. Word of advice though toto, don't insult TTE, he can block you. And saying stuff like "I am pissed" doesn't help. It just makes you sound like an angry little boy. Max King 14:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

If that was directed at me, I would like to clarify that i was talking to toto Shiny Rayquaza 20:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


(Recently added) images have been errors after uploading. This keeps appearing:

Error creating thumbnail: /home/themozz/public_html/bulbawiki/codebase-1.14/bin/ line 4: /usr/bin/convert: 
No such file or directory

Would you happen to know why? *tc26* 03:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Likely has to do with our recent move to dual servers. We're still working the kinks out. I've told Archaic. TTEchidna 03:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Just so I can give you the heads up, I did some testing, and the error appears when the size of the thumbnail is set so that it is not a divisor of the original size of the picture. For example in Ekans, for the picture of Jessie's Ekans, when you set the size to 210px, there is an error, as 210px is no divisor of 447px (the original size), but if you set it to 447px or 223.5px, then the picture is normally displayed. Yohrd 06:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
That... is VERY odd. Likely because the server has to do less work when creating divisible ones... I will forward this. Good work. TTEchidna 07:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I conducted more test, to see if it was the fact for all the files, and I have odd results... In fact, as long as the size of the thumbnail is not under a certain threshold, the thumbnail is displayed as supposed to. For Jessie's Ekans in the Ekans article it is half the original size, but I tried with a:File:RichiePikachu.png it is around 120px which is 10px more as the half of the original size. And no problem for the help, I'm used to bug testing, so as long as can help here too. Yohrd 07:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Very odd. Either way the problem will be solved hopefully very soon. TTEchidna 00:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)




I need translators. I need them now. The upcoming Sunday announcement happens just before midnight in GMT, making it actually on May 9, not May 10.

So if you can understand spoken Japanese, plz to be telling me.

Thanks! TTEchidna 19:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

23:30UTC time I believe.--Clarky13 21:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the Pokémon Wiki could be of assistance here? — THE TROM — 22:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm very anxious with the announcement too, but sorry, I cannot help :C Rikki Kitsune ~ リッキ キツネ 23:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Prome would be a good choice. We also have someone else but I doubt she'll be of any help because she'll want a reward for it... --ケンジガール 05:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Nice jab. I've asked Prome over on PW, so now it's a matter of him getting back to me.
I think that it deserves a Skype chat on Saturday evening/Sunday morning where we all participate. TTEchidna 06:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
OMG. The anoument is on my birthday.--Clarky13 07:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
You gonna have fun searching for that Shiny Female Sandshrew in Union Cave? The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 10:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
After soft resetting for a female Cyndaquil, yes. TTEchidna 12:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Great, good for you. And Prmatt touched your future news article in the Bulbanews, which sort of pointless edit... Kevzo8 12:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Mumblegrumble. TTEchidna 19:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I gotta look far and wide for people gossiping about me, eh? Sorry about that, was sorta in a patrol mode, and I just noticed that the CategorizeIn template was on a user page, and since I got criticized by Kevzo8 for the same thing, I thought it would still apply.--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 22:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
<includeonly>. Meaning categories won't appear unless you use the template somewhere. And, yeah, TTE made some instructions. Kevzo8 01:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
What it actually shows? Usually that's not the case that it links... at all. Because it doesn't unless you put it into another page. TTEchidna 02:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon of the Day?

I was wondering; how does the Pokemon of the day work? Does the site randomly change it based on some complex system, or do you just choose one? If it is the later, on Wednesday (the 6th) can you make it Flygon?--Gou 17:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The exact calculation is...

IF it's not December 10 (in which case it will ALWAYS be Bulbasaur), the Pokémon is whatever the Unix time of midnight on that calendar date is divided by what number day of the year it is, and divided by 493 to get the remainder. Meaning, today, we get #455, Carnivine

I'm likely gonna change it though. Make it a little more complex. So hey, Flygon might come up randomly. TTEchidna 19:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

As of two seconds ago...

The calculation is now:

Take the Unix time of midnight today (1685318400) plus the number formed by the current year, date, and month combined into one (20230529 for today) times the number formed by the day of the year, week number in the year, and number of the day of the week (Sunday being 0) combined (148221 for today). Then take all the previous and divide it by the number of days in the month times 8 (for May, 31 * 8 is 248), and add to all previous the number of the current day of the year (148 for today). Then take the whole damn thing and see what the remainder is when you divide by 493, and add 1.

This results in 119, making Seaking the Pokémon of the day today.

Any questions? The talk page opens again at 8 PM UTC. Funny thing is, since I forgot to include the + 1 at the end before, there was that 1/493 chance that the PotD would end up being... Missingno. And completely blow up my template since {{Num2N}} doesn't set itself for 0. BUT IT DIDN'T, WHAT A MIRACLE. TTEchidna 19:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Working is fun....

So yeah. Do you remember what comes first in Emerald, the Mossdeep Space Center thing, or Groudon being awakened? I'm messing with the party templates on Tabitha's page to see if I can get them updated for the Emerald section and forgot the order of battles. And yeah, Tabitha's page says the Mossdeep thing happened after Groudon woke up, but I just wanna make sure. R.A. Hunter B. 02:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I... think it does. Since they're planning to blow up Mt. Chimney. TTEchidna 03:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Ehhh.... okay. I don't remember why they want to do that, but oh well. I'll work on the party templates. If something's wrong, people can change it. R.A. Hunter B. 20:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


I'm posting this 'cos you OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET WHAT YOU SAY. Why do you say random things ALL THE TIME? Even, I predict that season 12 will suck. I MEAN IT! GV might be cool, but if it gets wierd A LOT, the same thing WILL HAPPEN! User:1337fighter

Um. Okay. TTEchidna 07:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

GSDS page title

I don't think we ever really came up with an answer to this question: What should we do with the GSDS page once GSDS is announced? I've re-started the discussion over Appendix talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes#Something we should address, and since the page is kind of your baby, I'd like you to weigh in. --((Marton imos)) 06:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Damn right it's my baby, but at this point it's kinda been through the wash with others... TTEchidna 06:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


How do you put Userboxes???like the one you have in your Userpage...I just want to improve my Userpage...hihihi if its ok.. Thankz..

Gio12 10:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Same as any other template. TTEchidna 12:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


Hey TTE, why can't we have images in our sigs anymore?--Shiny Rayquaza 21:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Because it slows down the server to have that many images floating around, and I working on learning how to read, im trying to learn how to not just look at the pretty pictures.User:DCM 21:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 12 recently posted a blog about Season 12 giving us the logo and revealing that it is actually Galactic Battles. --HoennMaster 06:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

this is what I think HM is talking about.--FF(editstalk) 07:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
That is. Also, the Season 11 pages needs to be updated since it still says that Season 11 will end when Sleepless in Pre-Battle airs, even though it aired almost a week ago. --HoennMaster 07:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
You know, TTE isn't the only person who can edit protected pages. I can't open the link, though.... or anything else on that site. The date thing is fixed though. — THE TROM — 08:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I had a look at the article on Poké and took a screenshot of the logo. I then cropped to the logo only and made the background transparent, before saving as a png and uploading to the archives as "Galactic Battle Logo.png". If I have done something wrong please let me know when you remove it so I won't make the same mistake again. Werdnae 08:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Nice, No mistakes I can see. TROM if you're on, find the image yourself and put in the article.... or maybe wait for the next two days--FF(editstalk) 08:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I know he is not the only one, but it fit in with what I was talking about. --HoennMaster 08:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. TTEchidna 08:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

You'll be happy and you know it...

...go here. tc²₆tc26 01:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

So... "GoldenHeart" & "SilverSoul" if I'm not wrong. Horrible names IMO --Nick., something to say? 02:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
HeartGold/SoulSilver. TTEchidna 02:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


It probably doesn't matter much, but weren't you gonna try to get GSDS to relink immediately to the new page, or were you gonna leave it how it is? Just asking, not trying to have you do something if ya don't want to. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

KNOW HOW MUCH I GOTTA DO? LOTS. OKAY? TTEchidna 02:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hehe.... I know. Like I said, I was just asking. Sorry about it. You should probably protect your userpage for a while if you can. :P R.A. Hunter Blade 02:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:User Want

A flaw in this template is causing instances of "Pokémon Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions" to appear in the wanted pages, and I was unfortunately unable to pinpoint just where the flaw was. Is it possible to find this flaw and eliminate it? Thanks. --Shiningpikablu252 14:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I eliminated it last night. Unfortunately WantedPages updated before I realized it. It'll be gone by tomorrow. The templates stay cached for a long time now. TTEchidna 14:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


The Advent is coming :D MaverickNate 19:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Oooh, very nice. TTEchidna 19:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Confused about Kanto

Recently you have locked down the Kanto page and since that time you have added to that article that Kanto would be explorable in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Before I saw that, I added this sentence to the HGSS page, "Currently it is not known whether the remakes will retain the ability to visit Kanto after defeating the Elite Four that was present in the originals." I added that sentence because as far as I know it is true. If you have some source that says that Kanto will be explorable in HGSS I would love to see it, but if you don't, then you're stating speculation as fact. Drapion 20:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as FR/LG didn't omit anything from its storyline (if anything, it ADDED to the plot), I'd say TTE is being more than reasonable. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 20:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
They're remakes. Remakes typically have everything that was there before, and then some. They aren't gonna remove Kanto, because Johto's about as big as half of Sinnoh. TTEchidna 21:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't disagree with that, but just because it's probably true doesn't mean it's not speculation. As long as something is speculation it should be presented as such. I'm not trying to be overly antagonistic about this, it's just that HGSS brings a lot of potential for confusing speculation with fact, and it's important to be able to distinguish between the two. For example, you're probably going to receive a Togepi egg in HGSS, but it's still just speculation. I realize that the inclusion or exclusion of an entire region is a bigger issue than that, but I think the distinction between what we know and what we don't know is important. I'm not going to press this any further since your opinion holds more weight here than mine, but I just hope you've heard me out and given my thoughts some consideration. Drapion 21:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
At this point it's even speculation that you start off in New Bark and get to pick from Chikorita, Cyndaquil, or Totodile. They said themselves it is just like FRLG. FRLG was missing nothing but Missingno., HGSS will not be missing Kanto. TTEchidna 21:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree. Personally I think debating over whether Kanto would be in a remake of a game that had it doesn't make sense, since remakes are more likely to add stuff than to remove it. It would be like if Nintendo had decided to cut some levels from the games in Super Mario All-Stars (which didn't happen), or, as Missingno. Master said, if FireRed and LeafGreen omitted content from the Gen I games (aside from unintentional stuff like glitches). --Evice 01:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Damn that Clarky guy is bugging me again...

Thought this might come in handy later down in the tracks. Saves you a bit of time. I'll keep it for when you need it. Do you want me to update other templates, while I'm at it to save you time?--Clarky13 23:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Go right ahead. Replace Pt's call with just plain "Unknown", though, since it's no longer unreleased. TTEchidna 23:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Ya there Echy?

You never seem to be at this hour so I guess our scheduals are kinda incompatible. I do still have some stuff to talk to you about so unless you plan on being on tomorrow or Sunday around this time (or a few hours earlier) I'll bring up said subjects tomorrow.--MisterE13 02:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You won't mind me killing you about the Unown, will you? You majorly messed it up. TTEchidna 04:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry *wraps up quilava related burns* anyways, what did you want to talk to me about on AIM. I know it's been a while but just wrack that little monotreme brain of yours and write it here. Too bad that conversation never happened eh?--MisterE13 00:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Mainly it's about the templates, and how we could easily implement them. TTEchidna 01:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
If you still want to, maybe we could go to the forums's IRC chat or something? (I have no idea if it's any good).--MisterE13 19:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe. TTEchidna 23:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you free now?--MisterE13 01:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Not particularly. Currently pulling a Trom, if you get my drift... TTEchidna 01:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Then I guess I`ll just ask straight up: could/should I start a project organizing the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or do I just keep doing it all by myself?--MisterE13 01:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Either way, I meant to ask you about this: Template:Forme info. It might put a stop to the WY IZ CSTFRM WATER?--MisterE13 01:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
A yearlong transformation cycle is bad no matter what, though. TTEchidna 02:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it's a great idea, creatively, logistically... not so much. So what do you think about my propsed Project FormeDex? I would be glad to set guidelines on that kind of stuff.--MisterE13 20:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Formedex seems covered by Project Pokédex. TTEchidna 00:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I've asked on the talk page there. Is there anyone in charge that I should speak to?--MisterE13 01:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't think PP has a leader... I dunno. If no one answers there, forums it. TTEchidna 02:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Me and The Trom are going to work it out.--MisterE13 21:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
By the way, about Castform, I'll cut you a deal: if we ever get Sugimori art of its other forms, then I'll trash the seasons thing...--MisterE13 01:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Psh, a little heavy talk for the guy with the ultimate authority here, eh? TTEchidna 02:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
...That is to say... unless you mind. Heh, heh, heh.--MisterE13 02:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I really think it should be changed now to something shorter-term, and then seeing if there's a better way to do it later on. TTEchidna 02:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any way to actually have it change with the weather is there? I've actually been looking through magic words.--MisterE13 02:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
The weather at what location, though? Shaymin and Cherrim go off of UTC, but would you have it change based on the weather in the UK? Because it'd be rainy a lot... and... I don't think there's any possible way to make it change based on the weather. TTEchidna 03:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. The whole seasons thing is kind of my baby so it's your call for what to make the changer. I'll redo it as to your specifications when I have the chance.--MisterE13 18:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

In other words, just tell me how often it should change and my skills are at your service. Also, I wanted to double check that you don't want Deoxys movelist divided between its Formes. On top of that, I love the "target" section of move articles.--MisterE13 02:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Thing is, I can't decide either. And no, keep Deoxys's moveset together for now. TTEchidna 02:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
And thus... we Wikiforum.--MisterE13 21:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Kanto/Johto Gym Leader

So, is it okay to add that they will be in HeartGold and SoulSilver? --HoennMaster 09:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, we're gonna be getting a crapload of new information soon. Why not wait until then to add it, just in case? TTEchidna 15:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


So yeah. Ignore the e-mail. It got fixed already. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

IP interpretation

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Shiningpikablu252.

The reason given is this:

   Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Kaitie50". 

The reason given for Kaitie50's block is: "Removing content from pages: Has been editing solely to skew Ash and/or May shipping views toward AdvanceShipping an

   * Start of block: 15:01, 9 May 2009
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You may contact Shiningpikablu252 or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.

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Please include all above details in any queries you make.

You can view and copy the source of this page:

...and that's what appeared on my page.

Fortunately, Katie50's IP is not mine. My IP starts with 208, whereas theirs starts with 75. This message appeared when I attempted to edit a page, yet it did not appear when I tried to edit another one. This possibly showed that the server took me as Katie50's IP and prevented me from editing the page I approached. I think this happened another time when I was editing a talk page and, rather than the coding, came up a screen normally gotten when there is an edit conflict. However, the conflict summary showed the editor receiving a conflict with my edit, their edit only closing a <span> tag. These editing oddities, I assume, have something to do with the server interpreting IP addresses I have little to no relation to.

(To distinguish the message given, I have added italic quotes in front of it) |>H1|2357R1K3 20:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

There is something severely screwed up going on here. It's giving so many users this IP with an XFF header that's different. We're investigating. TTEchidna 21:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. That's what my e-mail was about... it kinda sucked for about 10 minutes trying to figure out what the heck happened. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry too much. It should be solved soon. TTEchidna 17:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Eh, I'm not really that suprised, if everything else is happening with the server. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah really. Eh, what can we do? TTEchidna 18:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Kick it? That always works in the movies. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Gee, that's helpful -_- I'll try to go back to that page so I can examine the HTML for weird stuff. |>H1|2357R1K3 18:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


TTE, could you add info into the HGSS page about walking with your Pokémon? Thanx ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 01:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

It can be added. You should put this on its talk page, though. And this is just an assumption. TTEchidna 01:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


I'm new here (well, newly registered anyway), but I've seen your name all over the place and I wanted to say thanks for the hard work. Keep it up. TennysonXII 05:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


Hello, The new pictures from Pokémon Heart Gold and Soulk Silver is here take a look....Gio12 14:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I know as much as anyone with regards to HGSS. Don't worry, I'm constantly paying attention. TTEchidna 17:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Somethings gone wrong...

Whats gone wrong with the image on this page? LEVEL X Talk to me! 17:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

If you haven't noticed, that's been happening with all new thumbnails recently. We're trying to fix it, but we're only human. TTEchidna 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
And in a sense, BulbaBot...just a sense... ht14 01:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
BulbaBot can't refrain from doubleposting on the forums. It's subhuman. It's a useless robot. TTEchidna 01:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
WW91LCBlY2hpZG5hLCBhcmUgc2V2ZXJlbHkgcHVzaGluZyB5b3VyIGx1Y2su BulbaBot 08:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Beta stuff

Hey TTE, do you know any tools or someone who knows about them because I want to investigate leftovers of the beta of Blue, Yellow and Crystal and create articles about each game's beta. Pokemon lover 19:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

There are articles about all the games betas.--Clarky13 19:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Not for those I mentioned. Pokemon lover 19:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Thing is, Yellow, JpBlue, and Crystal are hardly different from their paired versions. What leftovers there'd be in there are covered by the originals. Unlike Emerald, which was more based on the FRLG engine than RS engine, and Platinum, which included many new things that weren't in DP, Crystal's beta had... the Lake of Rage, the GS stuff, and whatever stuff the US version took out anyway. Yellow's beta was... nothing. Gen I and II are so linked that the GS beta barely needs its own article; most of that stuff is prerelease hype. TTEchidna 19:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Just on this note, should the remake speculation page be incorporated with the Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions beta page, when it is made, so the beta and the speculation be together?--Clarky13 19:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Bzzt, no. The remake speculation is way different from official announcements. If they'd said "Hey wait five years and we'll remake GS" when FRLG came out, then that would be a different thing. This is fan theories and hopes that resulted in AWESOME. TTEchidna 19:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Clarky13, go the remakes speculation talk page and you'll find your answer. TTE, I know that they are too similar but, IMO, Yellow's beta has... nothing? Not leftovers from the beginning of Pikachu's overworld sprite and of the basic happiness system? I don't think so. And Crystal still deserves it's own page, IMO; Emerald has it and it doesn't have much info about the beta either. Still, I want to investigate. Not that I'm going to create articles but just to satisfy my own curiosity. Any help will be very appreciated. ;) Pokemon lover 19:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
If anything that's not beta, that's the actual game. Hell, Yellow was practically a GS beta. But whatever, if you can find enough crap that was taken out and stuff from Yellow, go for it. TTEchidna 19:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not affirming that I'm going to find stuff in Yellow, although Crystal has stuff about it for sure. Thing is, I don't know which tools to use besides VBA and GameShark codes. Pokemon lover 20:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Trainer Status Box

Would you mind if I copied your Trainer Status box? YinYang 19:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The one with all the badges and all? If you really can't think of your own, sure. TTEchidna 19:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. It's really nice ad I'm not that great with coding and all. YinYang 21:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


TTE, could you please delete the two Members of Team Aqua/Magma categories and why don't we move Aqua/Magma Admin Courtney/Matt to just Courtney/Matt?--Pokemonguy1 My talk page (haha, no link for you) 03:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

What now what? And the latter is because FRICKING DISAMBIGUATION THANKS. You'd think you'd go there first to find out why we don't. TTEchidna 05:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Recent moves

Hey there. I've seen you've reverted some of the recent edits I've made today. I'm new to editing on this site, although I've worked for awhile on Wikipedia. I've got a couple questions about some of my edits and why they were reverted (I'm not arguing, just asking for clarification/advice).

First, some of the edits I've made with regards to sprites. I made some additions about the sprites in the trivia section based on the fact that I've seen some other Pokémon articles with trivia about sprites.

Second, as for Masquerain, I felt that because its Pokédex entries, as well as the anime, both make note of it flying that it's notable to make note of the fact that it can't learn the move Fly. I've seen similar trivia notes on other pages, such as Magikarp, Wingull, and Surskit all saying that those Water-types can't learn Surf.

If you can give me any clarification to some of the edits I've made today, that'd be greatly appreciated. Kevin Y (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Honestly? No Bug/Flying Pokémon can learn Fly. None of them. If one did that'd be notable. Heck, I honestly don't even like the "lol one of like seven or fifty or so Pokémon of this really plentiful type that can't learn its signature move".
As for sprites, we're trying to go through and rid ourselves of the "OH IT WAS COLORED THIS WAY IN GEN 2 AND THEN WHEN THE GEEBEAY CAME OUT IT WAS DIFFERENT HOW SURPRISING" stuff, and the stuff regarding how the sprites looked. Really, only MAJOR revisions made between RG and B are notable, and not that many have those. Other than that, people can see the sprites, they don't need it pointed out to them, unless it's a very obvious flaw like the chocolate Sneasel of Gold and Silver.
Also, Bulbapeda != Wikipedia. We use the same wiki software but noooooooo to all that is 'Kipedia. Heck, one of our admins formerly was a "YAY WIKIPEDIA" guy, but we've managed to brainwash convince him of the superiority of our own little system for something specialized as Bulbagarden is.
Glad you came and were rezoneable, though. Half the time I get kids whining and deleting my page. TTEchidna 20:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
So if I see stuff like that about the sprites, differences that are very subtle, it would be alright to remove them? Since I'm using this site to help me tremendously in Platinum, I've probably been across every Pokémon page since I got the game. I've seen a lot of that type of "trivia". Kevin Y (talk) 23:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Some are good. Use your judgment about if it's really worth keeping or not. TTEchidna 01:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion for speeding up the server

I have noticed that over the course of the year, Bulbapedia has been slowing down exponentially, and have thought I might lend a thought. Bulbapedia has gotten very Server-Intensive, running many server-side scripts. Many of these processes could be converted from server-side PHP to client-side JavaScript. PHP slows down the serving time of web pages because it's an extra process the server has to run, but since JavaScript is a Client-Side script, the computer recieving the web page does the work for it. This eases the load on the Server, and doesn't take much time to do on the client computer. Please, consider this option and reply. PhoenixGraphix 21:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't ask me about the server, I've got no idea as far as it goes. Archaic's mainly who you'd wanna contact over on the forums. TTEchidna 22:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


I don't know how to ask for help. I'm having trouble showing evolution in my Sandbox. Do you know what to do?Random Chaos Was here 01:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You've got width restrictions on in the tables. Alternatively, don't use a space, but &nbsp; instead. TTEchidna 01:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
THaks So how do I ask for help if I need more? Random Chaos Was here 11:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Why not check out MediaWiki's metawiki? TTEchidna 02:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Mkay, episodes with no English title...

Well, I just thought they were translatable, like Electric Soldier Porygon and Legend of Dratini...

But here's something to think about. I recently aquired the DVD boxsets of the Indigo League, and naturally Beauty and the Beach, Legend of Dratini, and Electric Soldier Porygon aren't included on it, and Tentacool and Tentacruel is listed as "Episode 18". So wouldn't it cause a bit of confusion among fans if it were referred to as EP019? Just wondering what the best way to go about this is, I mean, if I weren't aware of the banned episode thing, I might've mistook Episode 229 for Episode 231 (my second most favorite number), since after Episode 17 (ironically my most favorite number), Island of the Giant Pokemon, the numbers for the Japanese and English episodes have been different. I mean, even lists the banned episodes.

(Note: I'm not counting Tower of Terror, Tentacool and Tentacruel, and Holiday Hi-Jynx, because they were only temporarily banned, aired in the US and Canada (where I live) before this, and are available on DVD. Technically speaking Beauty and the Beach counts because even though it aired about twice in the US, it did so long after Tentacool and Tentacruel, and was banned again shortly after). Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just raising an interesting point. Ghostkaiba297 02:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

No, we aren't causing confusion. People know what the epicodes are for and we're not moving that crap. We go by Japanese airing because 4Kids screwed up the dub so bad they didn't finish Johto until Hoenn had been around for a year. Now that's bad. Most people understand the numbering system once they're here for more than ten seconds. Plus, all you gotta do is click a link. Not naming the episodes that never aired dubbed (and never received a dub title) also singles them out as "oh look you can't find this one in English!". TTEchidna 03:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I understand, 4Kids are an evil organization who go overboard with censoring Yu-Gi-Oh episodes (I mean, guns are even shown in Pokemon, outside of the banned episode, but in Case of the K9 Caper and the Kangaskhan Kid and Tentacool and Tentacruel guns were seen, whereas in Yu-Gi-Oh all guns are censored out, creating the "Invisible Gun" joke). There's even a joke about the Big Five (a board of evil directors) being members of 4Kids. I suppose the only one that creates confusion is "Beauty and the Beach", since Tentacool and Tentacruel attempted to erase any ties to it (excluding Brutella). I promise not to change the banned episodes labeled EP035 (and so on) to what is translated to their English titles (eg: Legend of Dratini) anymore. Just unprotect the page, OK? I might've made a small mistake earlier regarding the Safari Zone, I am currently watching the Kangaskhan Kid and what Ranger Jenny says implies that the Pokemon reserve is an area of the Safari Zone, it's just the place where one can capture Pokemon that is never seen. Ghostkaiba297 03:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
All I wanted was to protect it from an edit war. TTEchidna 07:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

MftE advice

Do you really think it's wise to suggest new users learn by looking exclusively? I think we want to promote an active community, even if it means people get things wrong...obviously I don't want to encourage people just ignoring our rules. But saying "lurk before editing" seems like you're painting with an awfully wide brush. -- evkl (need to talk?) 06:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Eh, maybe. I did kinda mean look, but preview too. TTEchidna 06:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


Earlier I blocked a user named K-Dog for vandalizing pages. A little while later I get an e-mail from Dion24 because he can't edit pages. He sent me the error message and he apparently shares the same IP address as K-Dog. I asked if he knew him and he says no. I also asked if he's using a public computer and he says no. Well... I don't know what to think here other than K-Dog being a sockpuppet of Dion24. Not sure why he would do it though. He's always been a good user. I'm not sure what action to take. Should I let Dion24 back?

On another note; K-Dog seems to have made the same kind of edits as an earlier vandal; The Ninja03. Both of them seem to have made edits regarding the user Sammy-T-Rulz. Not sure what it all means though. --ケンジガール 08:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

K-Dog and The Ninja03 are the same. Dion's clean, and his supposed "ban" is likely due to the screwed-up reverse proxy we've enabled. We're trying to deal with it; it should be fine... soon. He likely got "blocked" because of this block; you checked the "block IP" thing, didn't you? TTEchidna 08:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I was also blocked due to the block what Kenji-girl did and anyway it's not blocked anymore. --∫∆π©∑一二三 08:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys--D i o n 2 4 :D :D :D 11:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Been sent here

Hello. I was sent here by another user, and I was wondering was the correct way of proposing a new policy is?--Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales 15:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Write something up in your userspace and put the tag for proposed policy on there. TTEchidna 19:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


I've been not editing here for a while, but I'm back now. Anything interesting happen while I was gone? 0° 01:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Just some things, Chocoboy. TTEchidna 01:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


Can i ask permission...Its already in your E-mail...thanksGio12 13:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What? TTEchidna 19:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

If you dont mind..i want to make another account so i can renew myself and turn over a new leaf....promise i will not use my old account again..i'll wait your reply...thanks..Gio12 10:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


What is a sandbox and what is it used for?→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 13:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

To test out templates and stuff, i.e. if you want to make a new template, see how it works on the sandbox. You can make your own personal sandbox too at User:Example/Sandbox |>H1|2357R1K3 13:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thanks→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 13:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

A Question

Can you do HTML on bulbapedia?→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 02:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Try it and see. TTEchidna 02:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I mean is there a special wiki code you have to put in or something like that such as <nowiki> →→→ Shiny Rayquaza 02:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Didn't work......

→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 02:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
No there's no need for nowiki with any HTML for the wiki. TTEchidna 02:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean is there a special code for HTML? →→→ Shiny Rayquaza 19:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, I need your help.

With the recent news of GSDS their have been alot of changes made to the Kanto article. Namely the inclusion of it in HG/SS. While I do believe we should never jump to conclusions, I think it is safe to assume the Kanto will be in HG/SS. Why would they remake the games without the entire second half of them. But I want to know where you stand on this.Zabbethx 16:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you on that one, however apparently some people think that "remake" means that Johto's gonna have different starters even, and so we can't even trust that Kanto will be there.
These are of course the some people who think Meowth is genderless. Jesus, it's fricking HGSS, the remake of GS as FRLG were to RG, even the official site says so! And did FRLG take out half of Kanto and change six of the Gym Leaders and starters?
The only real thing that will change is likely the Pokémon distribution, and they could even keep that the same; why else would Houndour be out of the blue available in Pt just after Veilstone? TTEchidna 18:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


Are you doing the Bot? I asked Zhen Lin but he isn't ^^ I just wanted to inform you that you can edit interwiki-links on de: again. We're up again :-) I'm a bot operator over there and will add links here, too :) See you, [Greets, mewX (TALK)] 16:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... how do I turn it back on? TTEchidna 19:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know either, actually it should just work if you python -all again, if you do not have changed the family file.. [Greets, mewX (TALK)] 13:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
...I completely and totally did not understand that. TTEchidna 08:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
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Maybe you should protect the heartgold soulsilver article in order to avoid speculation→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 20:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The way it was phrased WAS speculation. I was making it less speculation. Really, we don't completely KNOW if the girl is Kris or not.--Totodilesentret!Talk to me. 21:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, What the fuck are you talking about? No one said anything about Kris→→→ Shiny Rayquaza 21:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Your "day counter" on the user page... quite correct, and it's true that Gen IV is by no means the longest generation, but what interests me more is this:

  • Ho-Oh, the first Generation II Pokémon to be revealed, was revealed 399 days into Generation I.
  • Kecleon, the first Generation III Pokémon to be revealed, was revealed 466 days into Generation II.
  • Munchlax, the first Generation IV Pokémon to be revealed, was revealed 604 days into Generation III.

But we are currently 6087 days into Generation IV, and not one single Generation V Pokémon has been revealed. That's what's so frustrating. Kidburla 21:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

They're just revealing them closer to the new generation, I think. Maybe not, though, I dunno. You know how long we had to wait for Ho-Oh's obtainability... 117 episodes later was way more than 117 weeks, and GS still hadn't come out in Japan as of EP117. TTEchidna 21:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


See your forum messages. I kinda need you to figure out what to do about it... R.A. Hunter Blade 21:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Not making it obvious is a hint. TTEchidna 22:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Eh, oh well. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Need your help for HG/SS page

Right now the problem is that a few users are modifying a paragraph from Heart Gold and Soul Silver's page into a debate of belief vs. speculation. While I did delete this last night after deep thought, because this rumor was sounding like Original Research, it had been readded again. Rather than remove it again I would like you as administrator to pass judgement and put a stop to this before it turns into an edit war. -Tyler53841 00:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, there's no spaces. Secondly, I'll take care of this... TTEchidna 00:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, I won't mind that you had to upgrade the protection level since I not going to be adding new details at all. Instead I'll just monitor the flow of updates that are done. -Tyler53841 00:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible problem

You probably noticed this already. But sometimes when I make an edit and click Save or Preview, it just sends me back to editing the page without saving what I did. Thank goodness I only did minor things cause then I'd be screwed. Do you know what's going on? I see that a maintenance day is coming up and I hope you can fix this problem. --ケンジガール 08:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we've noticed that major thing. It will be dealt with on maintenance day. TTEchidna 12:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Another thing...Since the news came out that Paul's Magmar evolved, no one edited his page. I tried, but I am not an administrator. Can some one help me out? User:GreenGyarados

Wait the episode to air, please. The page was protected against gun jumpers. Kevzo8 14:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

AG list

Is was trying to fix the problem with the pic of AG101 (unaired), because it was way to big and didnt look good. but now it´s okay --User:Brillux 23:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, you did it kinda... wrong. Improperly using the template to get to the filename. TTEchidna 05:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ash's Chimchar's Page

It needs some updating, I mean I would but its locked. I have been contacting others but they ignore me. Thanks. - unsigned comment from BAC510 (talkcontribs)

Why does it? TTEchidna 05:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Anime episodes' templates

I don't know if you noticed but the templates on the top of the pages about the anime episodes which has the previous and after episode as links aren't centered. I think it applies to similar templates as well. Can you fix that please? It's just for the sake of presentation consistency. Pokemon lover 18:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The prevnexts? What do you mean "not centered"? The width or the text itself? TTEchidna 03:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the prevnexts. Their width causes them to be moved to the right and to leave a small blank space on the left. Pokemon lover 15:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible multiple sockpuppets

I don't know if you noticed but there have been a lot of new users joining in the past hour in every minute. All of which are names of two words put together. I suggest you look into it and check their IP addresses. --ケンジガール 18:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Me and Ultamatecharizard have already talked about this. All the users' names seem to follow the similar pattern of two five-letter combinations connected together. In all likelihood they are the same user, although none of them have contributed yet, so I don't know if any action should be performed yet. Kevin Y (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
They are all sockpuppets. This totally sucks..... *continues blocking*--RexRacer 20:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

TTE, try to be on AIM tomorrow evening. Everyone else, I'm gonna stay logged on AIM on my phone, so if tons of apparent socks start registering, drop me an IM. I'll come to the computer ASAP. --ニョロトノ666 02:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. Saturday so I've got nowhere else to be. TTEchidna 03:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


Might want to protect that. Someone just edited the article saying Magmar's evolving, who apparently didn't know we have a "wait till it airs" policy. --AT 11:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that he will have a Magmortar not that Magmar will evolve. And we did add Candice's Pokémon long before they aired. --Prongs (TalkContributions) 12:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
We have a "wait till it airs" policy. It's not going in the article till DP131 airs. Period. --AT 12:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Now hey, in my defense, someone else had already edited it, replacing Magmar with Magmortar. I was just correcting them. Forgot about the whole wait till it airs thing. Plus, I believe the summary mentioned Paul's NEWLY EVOLVED MAGMORTAR, meaning Magmar does evolve. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 12:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
We still wait till it airs. Period. --AT 12:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I KNOW that, I'm just explaining why I did what I did. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 12:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Oops. My bad. *forehead slap* --AT 12:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Take a look, if don't mind... this. I've asked for help but no one has gave it to me yet. Pokemon lover 15:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I personally have no idea about that game, sorry. Pokémon PC Master's talk page would be a good place to ask... TTEchidna 19:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


System keeps logging me on and ht14 16:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Me too.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11at 16:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
We're having server issues. We hope it'll be repaired during the scheduled system maintenance. --ケンジガール 16:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a different problem. When I try to save my changes in edits, I get a preview and the following message: Sorry! Some of your changes were lost., and some other things I can't remember. Will this be fixed during the upcoming maintenance? --AT 17:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
If you come across that problem again, you should click the back button on your browser. Usually everything you typed is still there. Hopefully this will be taken care of when system maintenance is completed. --ケンジガール 17:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
For the logging off problem, all you have to do is refresh the page and it'll have you logged back in. Same with the You do not have permission to edit this page for the following reasons error. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Tail Whip debate

I don't know if you know, but me and several other users (like Kenji-girl) are debating/discussing (kinda a cross between the two) about what a Tail Whip is in the anime. We're all aware that Psyduck's "Tail Wag" is a Tail Whip; however, other Pokemon like Charmeleon, Onix, Gyarados, Nidoking, etc. have smacked Team Rocket with their tails, sending them blasting off. Other sites (and sometimes this one) refers to it as a Tail Whip, but I'm the only one in the debate who seems to think it is. However, I looked up the page history for The Problem with Paras, and I saw you put the trivia up there under Errors, about "Tail Whip not doing any damage in the games", so if you're sure that is a Tail Whip, can you please come to the Tail Whip discussion page to clear this up with us? Ghostkaiba297 02:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

If it was explicitly commanded then yes it's Tail Whip. Otherwise it could be Slam or something. Other moves besides Tail Whip use the tail. TTEchidna 02:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm well aware, and since "Tail Whip" is only ever mentioned by Dexter and Misty (both referring to Psyduck), the others were wild except for Dragonite, who was countering an attack from Squirtle, Gyarados, who was defending Joy, and Charmeleon, who never listens to Ash. And since you're the main guy in charge here, I'm sure all of us on that page would like your opinion as to whether it's Tail Whip or Slam. Well... check the discussion page for all the details. Ghostkaiba297 02:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
We've come to a decision, it's just hitting them with their tails, the only Tail Whip we ever witness is Psyduck. Ghostkaiba297 06:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Team Rocket's immortality

Me and Hunter and PsychicRider got into another debate, one that goes back further than the tail whip thing. One about the appropriate location of some Team Rocket trivia.

Team Rocket seems resistant to death, even by Pokemon standards, suriving situations that would have killed Ash and his friends, like when Ash, Misty, and Brock are crossing the drawbridge in the Bridge Bike Gang and nearly fall into the water and say "We'll drown!" But Team Rocket falls instead, and they survive. Also there's the boulder thing in Shell Shock, where Ash and the others would have been killed by the boulders, but James survives a long fall with a boulder on top of him, no matter how much it undoubtedly hurt him. And Ash and Pikachu nearly fall over a waterfall, and would have died if they did, but Team Rocket falls over the waterfall and they return. And not just the trio, twice Giovanni is caught in an explosion caused by Mewtwo, and survives both times, while a similar explosion to the first one killed Dr. Fuji and all his scientists.

I put it under the Team Rocket section, but Psy thinks it is anime physics, so I put it there, but Hunter thinks it's too redundant to be anime physics. The discussion went on for quite a while, but just recently, Psy told me to go to an admin. Since you're the guy in charge, and the only admin whom I know on here (on that note, is there a list of admins in here somewhere?), can I have your opinion as to the appropriate location of this trivia? Personally I think it should go under Team Rocket, but where do you think it should go? What you say goes, TTE. Your answer will finally resolve this long and tiring debate. Ghostkaiba297 03:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

It's anime physics. Don't overanalyze a cartoon. TTEchidna 03:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. This debate has been very long, and now it's finally resolved. You rock! Ghostkaiba297 04:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Not in the way you thought. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Hunter, do you have anything to say to TTE on the matter?
And TTE, Maverick Nate pointed out that you never said anything about whether or not I could add it. I just thought, since you said it was anime physics, that's where it went... Anyway, I officially ask you whether or not I should add it to the anime physics article. Ghostkaiba297 04:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
How many times do we have to tell you that he said no? MaverickNate 04:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I heavily implied no. It's no special anime physics. If the plot doesn't call for Ash dying after falling 100 feet to the ground, he won't. TTEchidna 04:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
But isn't it kinda notable, if not on the error level, that they survive what would've killed Ash? I mean, he never gets in those situations because he's the main character... Plus, Giovanni survived the explosion and Fuji didn't... but you're both admins, and if you say no, then I guess that's all there is to it.
With that debate out of the way, and all of us officially on the same page (sniffle), there is still a bit of confusion as to the Tail Whip debate... Can you clear up all the details? Ghostkaiba297 04:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
How many times has Ash blasted off? None. TTEchidna 05:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Well... yeah, so maybe he would've been killed by the fall if he ever did, but let's not forget Jigglypuff, Dario, and Nastina also blast off and survive, though the "blasting off" thing never seems to seriously hurt anyone, so maybe it doesn't apply to the Team Rocket's immortality theory. What I was trying to say is, other situations (falling into the water and being run over by a ship, falling over a waterfall, being crushed by a boulder) would have killed Ash if he had become a victim of them, but Team Rocket were the victims instead and they survived. And all explosions do to Team Rocket is send them blasting off, while it was initially thought to have killed Tommy's parents, and did kill Dr. Fuji.
More on the explosion thing, Mewtwo destroys two buildings in Mewtwo Strikes back, in similar explosions: Dr. Fuji's lab and Giovanni's lab. Dr. Fuji is killed but Giovanni survives, possibly because he is the boss of Team Rocket, which is immortal. Even the immortal Team Rocket thought that Giovanni was dead at first. In Pokemon Live, Mewtwo blows up MechaMew2 on Giovanni, and he survives this as well. Also Team Rocket "falls to their death" twice, and survive both times, despite "knowing" that they would die from the fall. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, I'm just trying to make clear what I am trying to say, that Team Rocket is immortal. They can survive any fall, they can't drown (it'll just knock them out for a while), they can survive any explosions, and will not be crushed to death. I'm willing to bet that lava would only hurt them instead of kill them. If they were transformed into Charmander and dipped their tails in the water, they would survive, whether or not their flames went out. (Though Ash's Charizard has had its flame submerged twice, and it didn't go out).
Though I wonder if their immortality has anything to do with their breaking the fourth wall... anyway, thank you for resolving our debate, even if you took their side, at least I don't have to worry about it anymore. Unfortunately, PsychicRider seems to hate me again. Ghostkaiba297 06:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

These socks...

I suggest we lock the user account creation. if you don't want to you don't have to. it's only my 2 cents... --AT 19:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Me account

Hey TTE, I gots a question, I dont know if this is happening to anyone else, but why does my account keep on loggin me off?--Galm 19:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Simple technical issue. It should be fixed soon, it's happening to everybody. --AT 19:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
ok cause its kinda makin me mad, but ill wait--Galm 19:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Get on AIM. --ニョロトノ666 17:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

DSi Problem

I notice you edit with one as well, that's cool. But I have a problem and I am wondering if you have experienced it too. It has nothing to do with editing. Although I will say editing with it really cramps your hands doesn't it?

I recently tried trading with my Platinum on my DSi with a friend using Diamond on her DSLite. I got nothing but error codes. I never had this problem with Pearl on my DSLite. Get this, it even wouldn't let me trade in the GTS. Even though I had the Pokémon other people wanted it would not let me click them. Has this happend to you as well? And if so, how did you remedy the problem?Zabbethx 15:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes trades screw up for Pt in general, not just on the DSi, as I've noticed. Beats me what to do. TTEchidna 17:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Locked for maintenance?

How come sometimes I come here, it says it's "locked for maintenance", and sometimes it isn't? Sometimes I can edit pages, and sometimes I can't. Ghostkaiba297 17:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Because we've had some issues with the database over the past couple days. Had to lock it. And it's glitching when we do. TTEchidna 17:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Can you unlock the DB until about 100 UTC tomorrow on Bulbanews? I can handle anything there right now.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11at 23:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Please... I know you should be awake right now... only 7:26 our time.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11at 00:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I have the same problem. Plus sometimes I would be logged in on a page and then when I go to edit it, I am suddenly Logged out. Can you or someone fix that? It is extremely annoying... Pyles 00:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Fix the problem! I was justLogged out on Cold's Page and then I clicked on the Teaser that takes you to your Talk Page and it did... But I was logged out on Cold's page. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I HAD TO WRITE THIS BECAUSE I WAS LOGGED OUT! Pyles 00:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Jesus Christ people, calm down. Apparently no one realizes it, but hey, echy's got other responsibilities besides running BP. Like class. Kogsie can handle the database locking and such on the three wikis. And by the way, I know about the logout problem. It took me three tries to just get to edit this section, and likely will three more to save! TTEchidna 00:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


I've noticed that sometimes on pages mentioning the player's in game name, Ex.: <Player> picked up the... but the exact way this is done varies. I've also seen it as [player's name] or [PLAYER], do you think there should be some universal way of typing it? --Wynaut? 20:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Usually [player]. TTEchidna 23:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks!--Wynaut? 02:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

hey tte

ive been using this wiki frequently, finally made account and wanted u to see this. Clicky! Retardedspoon 15:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah and? Movie Arceus doesn't really have enough information yet. Soon, maybe. We'll discuss it later. TTEchidna 17:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Can You Please Put...

This on the movie page. Thanks. --Prongs (TalkContributions) 08:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. TTEchidna 08:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


The style of move articles make it where the move and the levels its learned has to be put down for each generation.

With sketch the move has yet to change and the sketch article is very redundant. Same Pokémon, same levels. 355 bytes worth of the same info.

# Pokémon Type Level
235   Smeargle Normal Normal --
' '
Bold indicates a Pokémon gains STAB from this move.
Italics indicates a Pokémon whose evolution or alternate form receives STAB from this move.

I know it goes against the set style, but wouldn't it be more clean to just have one Move covers all 3 current generations? Yami 15:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more clean to just put text instead of tables, after all that takes up less space, too. Style is style, no matter if it's the same between several generations or not. We could just replace Typhlosion's base stats with "The same as Charizard", the learnlist for most Gen I and II moves with "the same in Gen II and III", and all that fun stuff. But it'd look really dumb. We don't need to go to extreme measures to save bytes, we've got two monster servers. TTEchidna 17:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I saw this from the RC and I thought you were talking about me. XD -Sketch 17:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Charizard and Typhlosion are two different Pokémon, That info is not as redundant as having the same thing 3 times. Its on three separate pages, and is vital for a person who needs to know what the base stats for those Pokémon are.
We're talking about the Move Sketch. The info is about a move that only one Pokémon can learn, and it learns the move up to 9 times with no change between generations. Redundant is the same Pokémon, same move, same levels and same boxes with the only difference being the Roman numerals I, II, III, and IV. A person could get all they need to know out of one box.
We can 86 2/3 of the Move Boxes, Generation Links and Level Up links. Replace them with Generation I to Present. It's make the article shorter and less asinine.
Also if I remember you guys get angst when someone makes multiple edits because they didn't get everything down the first time; saying it is bogging down the servers.
It might be the style to have a Move box for each generation, but most moves gain new Pokémon to learn them and the levels they learn them change. Clefairy's ability to level to learn sing went down from 13 to 8 from gen I to gen II. Even with Ditto, Mew and Transform the info changed when Generation IV came out.
You don't have to go and change ever move page, just make a exception on 1 (2 if we can get to the Transform article) pages where people can get the info they need with only 1 box if the info didn't change between one or more generations. Yami 18:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yami, multiple edits are changes to the database, which is a hell of a lot more stressful even on the most powerful servers' RAM than 355 bytes is to these beasts' ROM. TTEchidna 21:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Freaky, Freaky Deja-vu.
Why not just group the redundant info. Does having 3 boxes of the same info really help the article? Yami 22:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Original Series list

Hey, why in the List of original series episodes you took out the Season 1, 2 and 5 templates of conclusion, since that was the real 52-episode order that 4kids organized? D: Rikki Kitsune ~ リッキ キツネ 19:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 1 is the entirety of the Indigo League. The "season" divisions aren't what the broadcast companies like, they're how the openings and endings are divided. Screw the networks! TTEchidna 21:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
So, in the end of Indigo League should be the conclousion of season 1 template, not "Season 2 continues in Orange saga below". Rikki Kitsune ~ リッキ キツネ 22:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
...yeah. Ugh. TTEchidna 05:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

How I can find a shiny Pokemon ?

I really want to catch a shiny pokemon. It can be any pokemon.The only shiny I saw so far was a Fearow.That was in Pokémon Pearl.I wanna find a shiny in Pokémon Platinum.Plaese help.Reply here,or on my talk page ,or by E-mail.Also, my Trainer ID in platinum is 51577. The Aura Wolf !!!! 00:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Finding Shiny Pokémon takes Time and Patience.--ForceFire 01:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Get lucky. That's all. TTEchidna 05:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You can make them with a Brainboy. Its a cheat device that allows you to cheat the easy way. its from pelican. Yami 14:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Most people would kill you for mentioning cheating. Poké Radar seems to be the easiest in Gen IV games, so I'll go with that. ΘρtιmαtumTalk 14:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit waring

The user HoennMaster kept removing some trivia from the DP105 article about 3 times saying that facial and vocal expressions of distress do not mean anything involving the triva.

When the trivia was added back with better wording to relieve confusion, the user Sol removed it trying to justify his actions with Stats which are a in game mechanism and have hardly any use in the anime aside from levels being mentioned here and there.

He later tried to say that the game weights might not matter in the anime, but didn't think twice when he edited MAGNEDETH's edit involving game weight. Yami 18:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not the only one to whine to. Like you said, Deth handled it. TTEchidna 03:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Login Issues?

Is it just my computer being weird? I'm having login issues. Every other time I load a page, it loads the things at the top as if I were logged out, but on teh other times it's as if I'm logged in. So I have to refresh to be logged in. Just to post anything to the site I have to go through it, hit back, and resend it. Is it server issues, or my computer?--Gou 02:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Server issues. Refresh when it says you're logged out. Keep refreshing if it stays logged out. It's more annoying than anything else. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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