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Voice Actor Source

Please provide a source when adding Voice Actors into articles. Credits do not count as a source since they do not say who voiced who, just that the Voice Actor had a role in the episode/movie. Playing by ear is also not a credible source since you could be wrong and that a different voice actor could be using a similar voice to the voice actor you have in mind. The only way, currently, is to contact them over social media and ask them. Thank you for reading.--ForceFire 03:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Linking to streaming sites

Please do not link to any streaming sites as they infringe on copyright laws and could get us in trouble. Thank you.--ForceFire 04:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, do not link to streaming sites. YouTube counts as a streaming site (even if it generally isn't used as a streaming site). This is your final warning.--ForceFire 04:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --ForceFire 05:04, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Please remember that you can edit multiple sections at once by clicking "edit this page" at the top of the page. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

VA Source, again

Please don't use random websites as sources for Voice Actors. No matter how reliable/correct it is. Ask a Voice Actor via social media, you are more likely to get a correct and more reliable answer that way.--ForceFire 06:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring

If someone undoes your edit, please do not add it back. That is called Edit Warring, which is a blockable offense. Instead, bring it up on the talk page. As for voice actors, provide a reliable source. Just because one actor voiced one Pokémon does not automaticlly mean that the actor voices all members of that species; there are cases in which some members of a species have voice actors different from each other (Trip's and Ash's Snivy, for example). Keep that in mind next time. Berrenta (talk) 00:23, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


Hey it's one of the users. I think Jessie's Gourgeist voiced Haven Paschall but I don't know about Count Pumpka's steward's Gourgeist because their voices sound more deeper. Try a letter or something and don't listen to what the other users say. Because finding a source is very difficult to find.- unsigned comment from JasonL (talkcontribs)

Yes Haven Paschall voiced Jessie's Gourgeist but these guys need a source first before confirming it, and as for Count Pumpka's steward's 3 Gourgeist, I believe they're all male so they probably have a different voice actor. And yeah finding sources is very difficult. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 02:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay. And yeah their voices sound male but that doesn't mean that they are male because their gender was not confirmed, unlike Jessie's Gourgeist.- unsigned comment from JasonL (talkcontribs)


Please don't assume genders. And don't base genders off behavioral patterns, it's not really the most efficient way to confirm gender (since, in Bunnelby's case, girls can be protective of other girls). Genders can only be confirmed is 1) it was affected by Attract or Cute Charm or 2) it was stated in the original Japanese episode (like how Serena's Eevee's gender was revealed). Thank you.--ForceFire 03:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I understand, but what about Clemont's Chespin?? MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

With the female Meowstic? It doesn't confirm anything. The Meowstic is female, yes, but that doesn't mean Chespin HAS to be, nor can it only be, male.--ForceFire 03:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


IMDb is not a reliable source as it can be edited. People can sometimes include false information without them knowing. - PokémonGamer* 21:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


The staff are discussing it. The English source for the title (The Explosive Birth of Zygarde!) looks suspicious and staff are trying to verify it. - PokémonGamer* 22:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

VAs again

You have been informed of this before. Supposing you have forgotten, let me remind you: it is not acceptable to play it by ear when attributing voice actors. Just because you think one voice sounds like a given person, that does not mean it is, and we do not accept that as credible evidence for who did a character's voice. Real, credible proof involves asking someone who would definitely know, such as the voice actor or someone else appropriately involved with the show. Please try to take it to heart this time. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:18, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Dub names

For the future, please keep in mind that dub names for everything (names, cities, etc.) should never be guessed by ear and that spellings for dub names must come from closed captioning, especially when moving pages. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 05:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


Do not assume airdates; provide a source for any airdates you add in the edit summary. Any edits adding unsourced airdates will be reverted. --Abcboy (talk) 20:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

General sourcing

You have been told many times above about our sourcing requirements, but in the past couple of days, you've made more unsourced edits. Let me try to be very clear here:

If you ever add

  • An airdate
  • An English voice actor

you must include a source in the edit summary. (And if you do not have a source...do not make the edit.)

If you continue to prove unable to follow this requirement, you may be facing a temporary block. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


I'd like to ask you something. If you see something that someone has translated, please do not assume it to be totally accurate if you cannot read the source language yourself. Especially, do not take someone's translation as proof of something's gender.

If you see that someone has translated something that you think confirms a Pokemon's gender, please do this:

  1. Ask the person who translated it if the original text really confirms that the Pokemon is male or female.
  2. If they say it does, ask them to copy or type the text that specifically confirms it.
  3. Then post that on a talk page here and ask someone to verify that it really does confirm the Pokemon's gender.

As far as I know, nothing in the scans you're trying to reference for these edits suggests anyone's gender, and until you can tell me exactly what supposedly does, you should not simply be taking someone else's translation on blind faith. I hope you can understand. Thanks.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Just to save a bit of trouble, I think I can help out a bit. Here is a link of translated text by truedragonemperor or Reddit. The text looks to be in the upper-right corner of the second image and is translated as follows (with some adjusted emphasis): "The power to be at an understanding with their Pokémon is indispensable to all Trainers. Satoshi, however, has the limitless "power to befriend Pokémon". Will he be able to reach his goal of league victory with Pikachu and the ultimate five-man band he's met on his journey in the Kalos region!?" I have sent a PM already as a precaution. --Super goku (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
The term five-man band means a team of five people, not literally five men. A Power Rangers team is a five man band, despite at least one of them being a girl.--ForceFire 02:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
True, but it is the only bit that could apply from what I see, unless MaahirMomtaz12 is seeing something else. Anyways, truedragonemperor pointed out that they were just sourcing the translation from a different user on a different site, so I think that this is all I can attempt to help with. --Super goku (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


Don't just believe everything you see on the internet. If your source does not give a source for their information, always take it with a grain of salt, don't just believe their word is absolute. Sourcing seems to be a common problem for you, so this is your final warning; Source your edits and never believe anyone on the internet with information if they don't reveal their source.--ForceFire 05:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

In addition, please don't use fan sites as a source. If they got their info from an official source, cite that instead, because there's a chance it'll be speculation. Berrenta (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

VA unknown

Can you help me understand why you make edits like this? Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Because in between those episodes, Talonflame's English voice changed. If you listen closely you can hear a difference. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
You have been told before: playing by ear is NOT an acceptable source. If you think it changed, get official confirmation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


Because you've shown a lack of understanding from your previous messages, you have been blocked for one week. Next time, listen to the staff when they say don't play by ear. If you are unable to contact voice actors, then you're going to have to refrain from adding anything voice actor related. Failure to comply after your block will lead to harsher penalties.--ForceFire 02:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk Page Comments

Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's talk page policy. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 19:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring 2

As you have been informed previously, please do not just redo an edit of yours that has been undone. This is called edit warring. If you don't know why your edit was undone, look at the page's history, and if you still don't understand, try asking the person who removed it or bring it up on the talk page. Don't just redo your edit. Pay attention. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


Please do not make assumptions about the types of new moves or exclusivity (signature status) or other such things. As a rule, if such things are not explicitly stated, we will not presume them. Please try to keep this in mind. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thunder Wave

Hi! Can you tell me where you got this info please? Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:09, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I know I'm not giving you a lot of time, but I suspect this came from datamined info, and we absolutely do not want any data taken from such methods added to Bulbapedia right now. If it did, please keep that in mind in the future. Otherwise, if you have another explanation, I'd be happy to hear it. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, it was from the datamines LOL. But it was proven by a change in the hexadecimal value of the accuracy. And plus, paralysis now reduces your Speed by 50% rather than 75%. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 16:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Paralysis can be confirmed through playing the demo and keeping track of stats. For Thunder Wave, the only way I can see it being added is if we have a picture saying that T-Wave missed. (And even then, we cannot say the chance of it without seeing the move description.) --Super goku (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Airdates 3

I want to remind you, for the third time, that a source must be cited when you add an airdate like here. If you continue to prove unable to follow this policy, we may decide a block is warranted. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Again, cite a source for airdates you add. --Abcboy (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Early information

Hey, I have to point out that although the message at the top of the page asks us not to add "information datamined from the Sun and Moon Demo," the intent behind it is to stop us from adding any information that isn't legitimately knowable at this time. Since a reviewer presumably breaking the embargo is definitely not a legitimate occurrence, I've reverted your edits. All the information on the games will be added to Bulbapedia when the games come out and we know without a doubt that someone isn't somehow faking the screenshots. Thanks for your consideration! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Duplicates in Gen VII learnsets

Please stop removing the duplicates. They're not necessarily errors; they are likely moves learned upon evolution, but they need to be checked. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 13:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Gen. VII Movesets - Adding New Species

If you are going to update move tables for Generation VII (thank you for helping with that, also!), please try to also add new species that can learn the move. For instance, Dhelmise and Xurkitree can both learn Power Whip. I will add them here, but be mindful to check this in the future. Thanks! CycloneGU (talk) 23:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, you are literally ghosting me this evening. XD I went to update the page two minutes before you did, and startd this message while you added the new species. CycloneGU (talk) 23:50, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
LMAO MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Stat ties

Ties for the highest or lowest base stats are notable, regardless of it being a three way tie. Thank you.--ForceFire 15:28, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Ability source?

Did you get the Ability you added in these edits by playing the games? Just making sure, since another user had contradicted that info on another page. Also, when adding new info, please don't forget to remove the incompleteness template. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello? Did you miss my message? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I got them from watching Pokémon videos MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 18:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Good enough for me. Thanks! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
... Except that it isn't. Another user was able to provide more concrete evidence to the contrary. Your source must've been mistaken. Are you able to show me your specific source? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
It's been a long time. I don't remember the source. Since I'm wrong by the looks of it, you can use the new person's information.MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Already done. Thanks. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

A website

By any chance have you heard of a website called Smogon Forums? sumwun (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes I have. Why? MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 17:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Have I met you there? sumwun (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, but I do have a Smogon account that's the same name as this MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Providing sources for episode titles

I think you should provide sources that clarify the English-dubbed titles have parenthesis around the "Part 1/2" portions. Just because the Japanese titles have them doesn't automatically mean they're labeled that way in English as well. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I watched the episodes and they have brackets around them. Just watch any one of those episodes on an anime streaming website. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Are those official sources, though? Does Pokémon.com or anything else official put brackets around them? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh wow, so it looks like on the Pokémon website, it doesn't have brackets but the episodes I watched on another website does. My guess is that the TV version omitted the brackets while a later version added them in. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 02:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
What was that other website, if I may ask? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
[redacted] MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 12:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Do not post links to pirated episodes. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, so if the source is using pirated episodes, then the Pokémon website unanimously takes more priority. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Breeding moves

Hi! For the breeding moves, Mime Jr. and Mr. Mime are listed separately because Mime Jr. requires an incense to be bred and it is entirely possible for an egg to hatch a Mr. Mime. Mr. Mime and Mime Jr. actually have different Egg moves they can learn - some moves can only be learnt by Mime Jr. This is the same for the other Pokémon who require incenses. For example, for Double-Edge, both Munchlax and Snorlax are listed in the breeding section. This is why your edit was reverted. --Wowy(토크) 04:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


I saw that you removed Guzzlord from being hidden from SM101's page. It wasn't confirmed to appear, so please don't do that without a reason in the future. Playerking95 (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Move Tutor

How do you know new moves' categories?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 21:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Moves like Steel Roller and Burning Jealousy were known from the trailer and the others were from the names themselves. Some of them though I left unknown, but all these moves are from the recent Home datamine. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 21:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Burning Jealousy and Grassy Slide were in the news, and rest of the moves in the Home datamine, but where did you get their categories?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 22:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Introduced in Generation VIII or The Isle of Armor

I changed "introduced in Generation VII" to "introduced in The Isle of Armor" because I thought that was more specific and consistent with how Mind Blown says "introduced in Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon". So why are you undoing my edits? sumwun (talk, contribs) 17:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I saw that all the moves weren't edited to say Isle of Armour so I changed it back. Also, unlike USUM, Isle of Armour isn't a standalone game. It's still considered part of SWSH. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Ability and Regional forms

Please do not re-add n-1 to the parser abilitylayout in the Pokémon Infobox as it causes the template to appear as Abilities instead of Ability when there's only one available Ability for the Pokémon. You were reverted before thrice. Please do not add it back. And for regional forms, do not add the term Kantonian, Johtonian, or Hoennian before the Pokémon's name as they are not official term. On a side note, Dragonite was wrongly coded in the games as having Outrage learned at Level 41 which is placed between Level 62 and 80. Do not change it to 71 nor move it to between Dragon Rush and Safeguard. Thanks. — RuiXiang95 05:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Kantonian is an official term that was mentioned somewhere in USUM. sumwun (talk, contribs) 17:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Sceptile and Mega Drain

I've reverted your changes on the Sceptile and Mega Drain articles for the second time. The current listed level for Mega Drain (lv 5) is the correct one, it is the level listed in the data files. I know this doesn't match the levels when Treecko and Grovyle learn Mega Drain, so it is safe to say it is a typographical error made by Game Freak. Other examples from SwSh include Spritzee learning Draining Kiss twice rather than Disarming Voice, or Dragonite being listed to learn Outrage at level 41 rather than 71. Please always use a learnset data dump to verify listed information before editing levels on a pokémon or move article. - unsigned comment from AmbientDinosaur (talkcontribs)


Please don't add BDSP move info, such as levels, to move articles until the games are actually out. Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 01:10, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Pe-release information

As is always the case, we never add information from leaked versions of games prior to their release. Please discontinue adding any such information to pages and revert any you already have added (unless someone reverts you first). This is your first and only warning. --SnorlaxMonster 01:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

BDSP Move Learnset Data Source

What is your source for BDSP move learnsets? Because currently, the changes you have done for some BDSP learnsets (e.g Ursaring, Honchkrow) no longer match the learnset data for BDSP provided by Kaphotics. And I haven't seen any indiction that Kaphotics' data would be incorrect. --AmbientDinosaur (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Leaked information

Once again, you have to be told this. Do NOT add leaked information regarding new releases onto the articles. Wait until the games are out to add the information. Thank you.--ForceFire 08:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Regional form stats = normal form base stats

If there is no change in stat distribution between forms, there's no need to duplicate the same template. A simple sentence explaining that the stats remain the same is all that's needed.--ForceFire 17:37, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright I guess. I thought it looked more appealing showing both. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 17:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

You keep making incorrect edits to level-up learnsets. Please stop.

I have had to revert your edits regarding Camerupt's level-up learnsets in recent games. Not only had you changed the level it learns Ember at to 5 (the correct level is 8) on the pages for Camerupt and Ember, but also for some reason you had jumbled up the moves Camerupt learns at level 1 into an incorrect order. The order should be the order that it is in the game's files, which is what it was until you came along and changed it for no apparent reason. You have a history of not understanding this, as evidenced by AmbientDinosaur's comment on your page regarding Sceptile and Mega Drain. Please refrain from changing things in level-up learnsets without consulting data dumps. Zigongosaurus1138 (talk) 19:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

The Ember one was a mistake on my part because I assumed it was Level 5 since it learned it at Level 5 in all past generations. And I didn't realize back then that Mega Drain being at Level 5 was a typo on GF's part MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 03:49, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Ignoring comments

Please don't choose to ignore comments by removing them. And considering your learnset edits have been an issue with a couple of users, you should explain your edits to them and clarify why you believe you are correct. Don't just ignore them. Thank you.--ForceFire 07:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

New Pokémon info, only warning

You are fully aware that we do not add speculation regarding the new Pokémon regardless of it being likely, Game Freak could still change the status quo, as they have done multiple times in the past decade. This is the only time you will be warned about this. Any further attempts to add speculation based off precedence will result in a block.--ForceFire 14:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Changing move data

Hey there, as noted in previous sections of your talk page, the order of moves (and their count) plays an important role and should not be changed to be incorrect. If you do have a reason to challenge the data as present on any page, it should be easy enough to clarify the source of your doubt on a talk page (or an edit summary).

Anyway, this edit too appears to be unjustified, so it has been reverted. Please consider this a final warning: try to be careful and do not invalidate move data, please. (If you just continue to do further unjustified move data changes anyway, they will be reverted on sight, and will result in a ban and/or a block.) Nescientist (talk) 09:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I did it to keep things consistent with how it looks like for the Sword & Shield data, prior evolution's moves at the top, followed by the first 3/4 moves of the whole evolutionary line. Makes it easier to read imo. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 18:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Even if you want it to be consistent, BDSP did not carry on with SwSh's pattern and you just have to put moves in the order they appear in in-game files. That's the easiest that can be done. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 19:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
The point is, the order matters (such as for moveset generation, for the move relearner's order, etc.). It is a game mechanic - there's correct, and there is false. This is not about style and preference (nor about simplicity).
As long as you keep this in mind going forward, then we're all good. :) Nescientist (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Ultra Beasts

This has already been discussed and concluded on the Ultra Beast talk page. Ultra Beasts are not legendary Pokemon. We have three sources on the Ultra Beast article stating that they are not legendary. Also, Serebii is not a source. You have been long enough to know this by now.--ForceFire 15:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Fine then. I assumed internal code was a reliable enough source.MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing multiple sections

Please remember that you can edit multiple sections at once by clicking "edit this page" at the top of the page. Thank you. Landfish7 22:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Noted thank you.MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Only warning about leaks/pre release info

As you have a history of adding leaks or pre release information onto articles relating to future games, this will be the only time you are warned about this. If you attempt to add any leak or pre release info regarding Scarlet and Violet, you will be blocked immediately. Thank you.--ForceFire 17:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Changing move data again

I'm not sure where you're getting your move data from, but the changes you have been making have been incorrect. Please have a look at the learnset dumps provided by Kaphotics and slp32. (If you believe both of these dumps happened to be incorrect, I would be very curious to hear your reasoning.)

You have been warned not to insert incorrect move information in the past, so have been blocked as a result. This block is both a punishment, and a practical matter of needing to make sure we don't have any users inserting false information during such a high activity period where we might not be able to patrol their edits as carefully.

I do not think you are vandalising the pages; however, a good-faith editor unknowingly inserting false information is often more dangerous than a vandal, since they're much harder to spot. If you display a similar degree of recklessness in the future, you will be blocked again, and may even be issued sanctions that prevent you from editing certain types of pages. --SnorlaxMonster 05:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

You're still adding incorrect moves to learnsets, so you've been blocked again. And once your block is up, any learnset edit you make requires your source to be put in the edit summary. Refusing to do so will be viewed as vandalism. glikglak 20:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Fine. Good day. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Rearranging Pokémon learnsets

You've been spoken to many times about changing Pokémon learnsets, due to having a history of changing them in ways that made them incorrect. Most recently, you've been issued a restriction that you may not edit Pokémon learnsets without providing a source in your edit summary. Despite this restriction, you just recently edited Zangoose's learnset without providing any edit summary.

Perhaps you think you're being clever, because rearranging moves without modifying the content of the rows isn't technically "changing" the data. Reordering rows certainly can constitute changing the data, but in this case it does not. In the future, if you make any edit at all to a learnset, you must include an edit summary explaining the reasoning for your change. Failure to do so will result in you being blocked again. For a stylistic change, it doesn't matter if your reasoning is as simple as "Consistency with Pikachu's page" or "I think this order is more useful to readers", but you need to explain why you're making the changes that you do.

Anyway, since you failed to explain your reasoning in your edit summary, I would like you to do so here: Why did you decide to reorder the moves on Zangoose's learnset? It doesn't actually make a functional difference, so if you think it's an improvement, I'd be interested to hear why. (Or if you do think it's a functional difference, I'd also be interested to hear why.) Please do not ignore this question. --SnorlaxMonster 16:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello there thanks for reaching out to me. I personally rearranged it like that so it can match the layout of all the other Pokémon that had Reminder Moves so it doesn't look out of place. It's based on back when Sun & Moon released and Evolution Moves were a thing, and whoever added in those movesets put Evolution Moves after all the Level 1 moves so I followed through with the Reminder Moves as well. Hope this makes sense now. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I would ask that in the future you include that in your edit summary. I have no issue with the change, and think it makes sense. --SnorlaxMonster 16:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Reminder: source your learnset edits

Why did you edit Counter to remove Chansey earlier? Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah that, because Happiny was in the list already, and they both learned Counter for every generation they got it, so in this case having two Pokémon in the same line was redundant MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I see. I can understand your recent edits of sups and stuff with a bit of checking, but your reasoning for this one escaped me. But since Chansey can be hatched from an Egg, it should be in the list.
While it's not strictly the same sort of case where we asked you to provide a source regarding your edits, I'll still suggest that sometimes a little explanation in the edit summary can help a lot (and it doesn't take that long). IMO not enough people use it. =( Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Okie :] MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 04:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Waterfall TM lists

Just a heads up that a move with a large list of TMs across Generations are better off displayed as a list. This is regarding this edit of yours. I have reverted your changes on the page because of that. Thanks. Harryghost (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Dang I was hoping to keep it consistent for all the moves cause my OC doesn't like inconsistency haha, but if you can adjust that for all the large TM moves I guess that's fine. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


You were asked before to cite learnset edits, so your failure to do so on Lokix has earned you a block. In the meantime, I'd like to ask here for the reason you made that edit. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The reason is because those two moves are new moves it can learn after evolving, and those are usually placed first on the list (based on every previous installment) MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 15:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Our learnsets do not adhere to any universal order that is the same between all games. Our learnsets are based on the games themselves, and the games may be more "messy" than that. With the introduction/expansion of the Move Reminder, that's generally the gold standard for how we organize learnsets. And I'm extra disappointed that you went to the trouble of finding the specific edit that changed it to undo it—and completely disregarded their claim that they were putting them in the right order.
The reason we told you to cite your edits before was because dumps like these are generally pretty good. If you had looked at the latter link, you could have seen that Lokix's moves were not in the order you wanted them to be in. These are the kinds of information you should base your edits on, not your own assumptions that moves should be this or that way.
Does this make sense to you? Learnsets should be based on what's from the games. You can't just guess what that is. You have to check it in the game yourself or use a dump like the ones I linked above. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:48, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Understood. Thank you MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 11:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Moveset fixes

Hey! It's awesome that you're adding in the moves that Pokémon previously couldn't learn, but please, note it in the trivia (like this: [1]), we need to archive these things and it might be useful for people playing previous versions. Thanks! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 18:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, Noctowl cannot learn Defog at Level 15. You were warned about and blocked for these type of edits multiple times already. Plase be more attentive. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 18:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Ah got it I'll make sure to edit the trivias for future changes then. Thanks MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 19:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I really dislike blocking people for simple things, so I'm going to give you one chance here to correct your habits. Include a source for your moveset edits in your edit summaries, as you've been told. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Alright I'll make sure to do that next time MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 21:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Reordering learnsets

Thank you for continuing to cite sources when you edit learnsets. However, I'm concerned that you are not reading the very sources you are citing. For example, in this edit, you reordered Snorlax's moves citing personal_titan1.txt; and in this edit, you reordered Mandibuzz's moves citing the same source. But in both cases, personal_titan1.txt lists the moves in the order they were previously, contradicting your edit.

The reason you were asked to provide a source was because it was unclear why you thought that the content you were adding was correct. The problem is that since the sources you are citing do not support the edits you are making, this is still unclear. If it is not obvious why the source you're citing justifies your edit, please explain your reasoning in your edit summary. Also, I would really appreciate if you could explain your reasoning for those linked examples here too. --SnorlaxMonster 09:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I did use that text dump because some of the Pokémon pages did have missing move data so I added in the missing ones, but I reordered the moves because other users did it when SV initially dropped so it matches the look of the Gen 7-8 movesets as the SV movesets are based off those, and it looks more organized (especially after reorganizing the stone evolution ones), so I followed what they did :) MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 14:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Could you advise which "other users" were rearranging movesets? As far as I'm aware, you're the only person who has been consistently rearranging movesets in that way. As you have been told repeatedly, we list moves learned at the same level in in-game order. (If you're referring to the order of Level 1 vs Relearner vs Evolution moves, I recognize that that is more of a matter of style, and that is not the issue I have with any of your edits. I'm specifically referring to reordering moves that are learned at the same level.) --SnorlaxMonster 14:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
For example, notice that on the Mandibuzz (Pokémon)/Generation VIII learnset page, the moves are in exactly the same order as the in-game order. The level-up moves have not been reordered, despite your claims to the contrary. The only change is that the evolution move (internally Level 0) is moved below the Level 1 moves. --SnorlaxMonster 14:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Yes I know about that Pastebin. I looked at its Gen 8 Level 1 movepool to edit the one for Gen 9 because it's a better style, and that style was applied to all the other Pokémon. Hope this makes more sense now. I'll wait for your reply becuase I don't want to edit war. MaahirMomtaz12 (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
The order of moves is not a style, it is game data. You have been told this over and over again, but are still ignoring it. Reordering the moves is factually incorrect, because the order has functional implications.
We cannot allow you to continue deliberately inserting errors into learnsets. If you do it again, you will be blocked. There will be no more warnings. --SnorlaxMonster 00:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Shaymin and Giratina

Their forms have different moves they can learn via tutoring, that is why both forms are listed (added them myself years ago after talking to staff about it). By removing the alternate forms, we make no differentiation between moves only the base form can learn and moves both forms can learn. I already worked out a fix for that (just simply listing "All forms" under the base form where relevant) but until that is approved (or acknowledged), we shouldn't remove them. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 21:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Block for inserting false information

I do not know why you need to be told this over-and-over again. The order of moves in a learnset is not a style. It is important that learnsets are in the same order as they are in the games. As I told you only 2 days ago, if you incorrectly rearranged learnsets again, there would be no more warnings and you would be blocked. And yet despite being told countless times not to rearrange them because you are making the pages incorrect, on two different pages you once again rearranged moves to be in the wrong order.

Your edit summary on Magcargo ("Consistency with the other Pokémon learnsets") demonstrates a severe lack of understanding of what you are doing. Every other Pokémon learnset on the entire wiki (except the ones you personally have butchered, but all of those should have been reverted) has the moves in the order they are internally in the games. Your edit specifically changed the page to be inconsistent with every other Pokémon learnset. This makes me concerned that you do not understand what you are doing wrong, despite your talk page being filled with people explaining it to you. The fact that you are damaging pages out of ignorance is honestly more dangerous than if you were doing it out of malice, so it is important for the integrity of the wiki that you not be permitted to edit until you understand the problem.

As promised, you have been blocked. This block will last for 3 months. You have already been blocked for this exact issue previously, been issued sanctions to try and reduce the likelihood of it happening, and been issued countless warnings—but it seems that none of the explanations or warnings have actually gotten through to you. If, after you return, you continue to insert false information into pages (such as putting learnsets in the wrong order), you will be permanently blocked. --SnorlaxMonster 15:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)