|Welcome to Bulbapedia, Harryghost!|
By creating your account you are now able to edit pages, join discussions, and expand the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia. Before you jump in, here are some ground rules:
Thank you, and have a good time editing here!
The Preview Button
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --ForceFire 15:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Firstly, read the Notability requirements. Secondly, create you proposed article in your userspace first. Not the mainspace. Once it has been approved, it an be moved. Thirdly, stick to naming conventions. The title is either Mairin's Chespin or Chespie. Not Mairin's Chespie.--ForceFire 07:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Gender differences Pokémon
Since Heracross, Dodrio, and many pre-Gen IV Pokémon have appeared prior to gender differences being introduced, their genders aren't confirmed automatically. If one of those Pokémon with the gender difference have been confirmed, than the others get confirmed such as the case with Wobbuffet and Jessie's Wobbuffet. PattyMan 19:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- I kinda get your point. I thought that since the individual Pokémon, not the species as a whole, were introduced after the gender differences, their gender would be automatically confirmed, but looks like this is not the case. Sorry if I caused any trouble!
- But even so, many other Pokémon like Raichu have their gender confirmed on gender differences despite a Pokémon of both genders not appearing in the anime Harryghost (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's alright, mistakes happen. Raichu, I left alone because Ash's Pikachu's gender was confirmed by Attract as well as a female Pikachu appearing too, and then we saw Volkner's Pikachu with the same tail design which went on to evolve into Raichu, and confirmed the other Raichu as well despite not seeing a female Raichu yet. PattyMan 21:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I have noticed that you have been editing the
User: namespace a lot recently, and have made a total of 4 userspace edits today. Please do not edit the userspace any more, as the userspace policy limits the amount you can edit your userpage: No more than three edits per day (by UTC), and you must contribute to the mainspace more than you edit your user page(s). This policy was instated to promote people helping out in the mainspace, and also to control strain on our servers. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal page(s). The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your user page(s). Thank you. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 04:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Please do not upload images just so the filenames you're using on your userpage aren't red links. These are considered personal images, which we do not allow. I've edited your userpage appropriately so that you're using the proper images that you (hopefully) want. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 04:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Move effect generations
Hi! FYI, move effect sections generally don't get new "Generation" sections unless something fundamentally changes. To take Gust as a quick example, Bounce and Sky Drop don't need new sections because there's no fundamental difference—I mean, it stands very well to reason that moves introduced in later generations couldn't be used before then, it just adds a bit more clutter to separate them into different sections. So do you think you could refrain from changing any more of these? Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand what you say, and I hope I shall be a bit more thoughtful in my edits. Umm...so, is it better create new sections for the Contests(Generation III) and Z-Moves (Generation VII), especially the latter as they are usually listed under Generation VI, when Z-Moves did not even exist.Harryghost (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
- Z-Moves are basically like what I said about Sky Drop or something, it should be obvious (enough) that you can't use it in Gen VI, making another section just adds clutter.
- Contest combinations being included under the normal effects section has never really sat well with me personally (and I don't mean that it should have its own Generation heading), but so long as it is there, I think it's also better without specific Gen III headers (or Gen VI or whatever the case may be). Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
In that case, I think it would be visually appealing to mention all the move effects first, within the first or first two, and then mention the changes that took place in various Generations beneath them with headers, in stead of mentioning various moves effects under different Generation headers, as clearly categorizing move effects under various headers based on their importance is purely subjective, and what may be important to one may not be important to another.
Take the example of Minimize. On the move's page, we mention the move's latest effects (including the Z-Move) under the first paragraph, and the changes in the move's effects in various Generations headers below them. I feel this way a reader might find it visually appealing, and a novice to the series would also know what follows in each Generation, and would not confuse, say Z-Moves, which are usually listed in the Generation VI (which still rubs me the wrong way), to actually be a Generation VI thing, as they shall be listed before any specific Generation headers.
I know it sounds like a lot of work, but do tell me what you feel on this suggestion of mine. My twelfth standard studies are very nearly over, and I would very soon be joining the site on a daily basis, and as such be willing to help. Thanks! Harryghost (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
- I'm rather confused... With your Minimize "example", are you trying to say that that's how you think the page should be? ...Would you like to try to write out that example here (or even make a whole user page for Minimize, formatted the way you'd like)? I won't say there aren't certain issues with our current format; but I'm really not sure there are altogether "simple" solutions either. I don't well enough understand what you're trying to get at, but if you can make a whole example, it'd be informative. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Something along the lines of this...
Minimize raises the user's evasion stat by two stages. The moves Body Slam, Dragon Rush, Flying Press, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Phantom Force, Shadow Force, Steamroller, and Stomp will never miss and deal double the damage when used against a Pokémon that has used Minimize.
If powered up by a Normalium Z into Z-Minimize, all of the user's lowered stats are reset.
Minimize raises the user's evasion by one stage. A Pokémon which has used Minimize will have its regular image replaced with a tiny, generic image until the user faints or is switched out, or the battle ends.
In Generation II, the power of Stomp doubles against a Pokémon which has used Minimize.
Pokémon that have used Minimize no longer have their sprite replaced with a tiny generic image.
Minimize now raises the user's evasion by two stages, starting from this Generation.
Thus, basically, the page , though looking almost similar, shall now have a section which lists all the information about the move's effects in the current Generation while the effect variations go within the respective Generation headers. Of course, the PP information can be seen from the table and hence does not need to go in the main article. I think this caters to issues such as position of Contest information and Z-Moves, while also providing an appealing way in which the effect variations can be easily skipped by those who just want to know the effects in the latest Generation, kinda like how we have separate Generation move set pages for each Pokémon, for the sake of only those who wish to read them.
(Also, I do think that I should not have created the example here on this page, but then I felt that creating a new User page just for this shall be rather going over the top. Sorry, if I inadvertently broke a rule!)Harryghost (talk) 15:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
- (Nah, it's fine if this is what you wanted to do, I understand that. The main advantage of making a whole user page would have been just that all that would be framed in the exact context it would ("hopefully") end up in. And it'd be easier to point other people to if need be.)
- Generally, yeah, I favor something like that, front-loading the most recent effect (in its entirety).
- There are almost certainly a number of arguments this sort of thing could go through about certain details. And a format change like that to ALL move pages needs some widespread discussion (I can't/won't just tell you go ahead and do that everywhere). There's no obvious place to have such a discussion, but somewhere like Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub may suffice. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
- If you're interested in that sort of thing, I'd really like you to read my proposal (and its talk). It's not in use in its entirety, but some of it is inspired by what we already do (or did, until you changed it), and I guess there are some ideas in there.
- Meanwhile, I'm not really happy with the changes you seem to have made (from a brief look), in particular in cases like this, where you introduced gaps in between generations and nothing became clearer or more correct. Honestly, I haven't really found a single change of yours I wouldn't want to undo, personally (but I really only had a brief look). There was some logic in there (which wasn't necessarily exactly what I prefer). I would have really liked you to discuss those fundamental changes beforehand, because maybe I could've even convinced you not to do them. Nescientist (talk) 16:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I believe you are right about that. I should have really talked about it in the first place. I feel terribly sorry for causing any hustle and inconvenience. All I basically wanted was to separate Z-Moves from the Generation VI header (like seriously, this was my major motive. Everything else that followed was an attempt to make the pages look better presentable by adopting uniformity in the pages).
Still not much harm has been done and let's see whether my suggestion for the Effect section format change gets any support. Once again, I would like express my apologies for any inconvenience and thanks for reading! Harryghost (talk) 05:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)