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The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --Den Zen 16:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the Talk:Clothing and answer me there? --Sekuiyatalk 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

James Turner

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --Altruis でんき 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. Glik (talk) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Lumiose Trainers

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per Project Locations, all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. Glik (talk) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon Biologies

Hi! This is specifically about Starly eating the berries from Grotle. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! Crystal Talian 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. Glik (talk) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --Cinday123 (Talk) 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. Glik (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --Cinday123 (Talk) 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Glik (talk) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Proper nouns

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. MaverickNate 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? Glik (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

A little note

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. Glik (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --FireGambit (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

No prob. Glik (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--Cold (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. glikglak 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Viviyon name origin

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. glikglak 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". Pikachu Bros. (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. That's why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. glikglak 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Mother 3 and other franchises

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any native copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?- unsigned comment from Hwrdjacob (talkcontribs)

As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother 3. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see Mewtwo's history).
Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the {{unsigned|User}} template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. glikglak 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Even Nintendo Copyrights?--Hwrdjacob (talk) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And furthermore, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owned by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic. - unsigned comment from Hwrdjacob (talkcontribs)

First, I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out which copyrights are held by Nintendo and which are held by developers. I don't care if you think it's dumb; I didn't make the rule, bring it up with the staff if you don't like it. Second, Smash Bros. is not even remotely like putting copyrighted characters as origin inspiration: Smash Bros has Pokémon properties in it. Finally, use the preview button more often. It's annoying to have to keep retyping a message because you found a typo in your last message or you forgot to sign. glikglak 01:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, are we supposed to ignore the various references to other Nintendo owned franchises? Like the Mario game in the Department store, the NES,GCN,Wii, etc., and of course the painfully blatant origin of Excadrill? It's not like Mewtwo where it was broad strokes; the resemblance is astonishing. What about the move Round? Or here's a good question: why is Pulseman on the wiki? If Pokemon references something, it references something. Oh, and there's a whole page dedicated to references to popular culture, almost none of which are owned by Nintendo. Hwrdjacob (talk) 08:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

What part of "in origin sections" do you not understand? There are some pages where we're allowed to speculate some; species pages are not one of them. I reiterate, I do not care if you don't like it. You're not going to convince me that I should undo my revision. Staff have said don't put copyrighted characters of other franchises/corporations/whatever in Pokémon's origin sections without solid evidence, the Mother series included. If you want them to see if your opinion is enough evidence, bring it up like another user did on Crystal Talian's talk page. glikglak 12:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Revert on volbeat breeding learnset

I added lightscreen, but you reverted it because "it's not an egg move" but i don't what that means. When the volbeat comes out of the egg at lvl 5 he has that move and the Dustox gets it by lvl up. So what is an egg move?, btw this is in sapphire. Faito (talk) 05:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

An Egg move is a move that a Pokémon learns through breeding, though for the learn lists we narrow it down to moves it can only learn through breeding. Volbeat can already learn Light Screen through TM16. glikglak 11:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Ahh, got it, thanks for clearing that out. I understand :), i will check if the move is listed on TM or By lvl up before adding it to Breeding. Thanks again Faito (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


I understand the problem, but I'm not going to change it. Please hear me out.

I'm not from the United States. I'm from the United States of America. I'm not accusing you or anyone else on Bulbapedia of this, but I'm sick of people (mostly self-righteous foreigners who think my countrymen are completely oblivious of the outside world) trying to drop "America" from the name, or referring to my people as "U.S. Americans" because there happens to be two continents that have America in their name.

Referring to the USA as "the United States" without "America" on the end isn't any more specific or accurate than just saying "America". The official, full name of Mexico (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) essentially translates to the United States of Mexico in English. Likewise, the USA is referred to as the Estados Unidos Americanos in Spanish. When Mexico won its independence, they modeled their government after ours, right down to the name. Either way you slice it, there's potential confusion.

None of the other countries in North or South America have America in their name. Brazilians, Mexicans, Canadians, etc. do not and have never identified as Americans. They identify as Brazilians, Mexicans, Canadians, etc., or in the past, as subjects of whatever empire they were a part of.

The USA was free to call itself what it wanted, America, long before any of them won their own independence or it was given to them.

So you can either ignore it, or change the official tag to United States of America. I will not bend to this extreme, ridiculous example of political correctness. If it means I get disciplined or even permanently banned, so be it. I'm tired of my people's identity being stolen from us.

-TBustah, April 3rd, 2014, 3:55 PM PST

Steven tag battle

I couldn't find anything referring to the fact that if all three of the players pokemon faint but not stevens that you lose the battle should this be stated in white out or somewhere else--Just a simple edit (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah. You put that at the end of the wrong sentence; your edit was saying that the Gen IV tag battles had that happen, which looks confusing when there's no mention of the Steven battle acting differently. I'll put it in. glikglak 20:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I mean the grass type pokemon he caught

The one he caught in honnen when he thabk his grass type pokemon to safe him from beedrill. --Terryberry94 (talk) 18:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Your Correction To My Edit

Have you watched the episode? I'm pretty sure that's what Jessie says; you'd just have to listen closely. The only other one it could've been was Piloswine, but I'm pretty sure it was Mamoswine. Watch it again and then get back to me on it! WATERWARRIOR67 (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't have the time nor the means to watch it. The requirements for it to be true are too fantastical for me to take your word for it. Try and get someone else to verify. glikglak 13:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
I can. I just verified it, and she clearly says Piloswine, not Mamoswine... ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 13:10, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Quick heads-up

I noticed you used the {{Preview button}} template. Make sure to subst: it, much like you would for the welcome template. So, it'd be {{subst:Preview button}}. Thanks! ht14 02:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


There was a summary on XY049 already. What was the problem? Thank you - unsigned comment from Thenmark2 (talkcontribs)

No there isn't. glikglak 01:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

yes,,_50th_XY_episodes_unveiled says \ XY049: A group of children attempt to get a Lapras which got hurt in a forest back to the sea. Bonnie decides to help them too, but then Team Rocket shows up! - unsigned comment from Thenmark2 (talkcontribs)

And? The episode hasn't aired. Two sentences isn't enough to start comparing things you haven't seen. glikglak 02:07, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Phantom Forces

Starting with the Furious Fists expansion, cards are not legal to play in standard format until 3 weeks after their official release date. All of the Phantom Forces cards are only legal starting November 26. MaverickNate 21:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

...Crap. Shows how good I am at keeping up with stuff. glikglak 21:31, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
It's fine. It's a weird change, and people are still getting used to it (which is one of the reasons why I decided we should start providing that sort of information).
Additionally, my first message is intended to simply be urgent and to the point, before you made it any further. Just wanted to say that in case it was thought to be something else (like bossy or mean; =p). MaverickNate 21:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Nah, I got it. You want me to start undoing it? glikglak 21:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes please! MaverickNate 21:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Roger. And before I potentially screw up again, Trainer Kits HGSS and earlier: okay to make redirects for the cards and add them to the release info? glikglak 21:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that'd be fine. MaverickNate 22:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Roxanne quote

Which game are you playing? Because I'm literally playing right now and that's exactly what she says to me... could be a version difference? ----samm :D 23:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

That'd be a pretty weird version difference. I've got North American AS. The text I'm getting is matching up with the RSE text, like most of her others; yours reminds me of something from DPPt. glikglak 23:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
After doing a quick Google, someone else claims that the quote is made if you talk to her with the Event Shiny Beldum in your party. Which is why I must of seen the text immediately following the battle when I spoke to her again. It was definitely said because I wrote it word for word from my 3DS haha. ----samm :D 00:00, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Well that's a strange and small thing for an event mon to trigger. We'll have to check other Steven-related characters' quotes with and without it. glikglak 00:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


Go to the Darmanitan page. There is something wrong with the TM/HM section I can't figure out. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Somebody put learnlist/tm6 in before it was made, apparently. You just have to put "xy=n" at the end of the header template to get the contest headers to pop in. glikglak 03:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Zorua/Zoruark and Deoxys

I disagree with you. Zorua required a fateful encounter Celebi to get it in its first appearance in a game, which you could only get through events, meaning it was event exclusive. Sure, it could be bred, but an event was required to get it in the first place. Zoroark also needed event Pokémon to get it in its first appearance. Even the trivia on Zorua's page agrees with me "Zorua and Zoroark are the only two non-legendary Pokémon to ever have once been event-exclusive". ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 19:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm gonna disagree with that trivium. You could get a Zorua in B2W2 and could thus trade it back to BW. You could argue that that makes Zorua still event-exclusive for BW, but I'd be willing to bet there are events from Gen III of a Kanto or Johto mon that does the same thing for RSE. glikglak 19:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
And I am correct; Bulbasaur could only be obtained in RSE through trading with a later-released game or an event. glikglak 21:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
But Bulbasaur and the other Kanto starters started off as non-event exclusive. They were available in Red/Blue/Green/Yellow. Unlike Zorua and Zoroark, who started off as event exclusive in the first game they were introduced in. By using your logic, you could say that every Pokémon you can't get in a game without trading or events are event exclusive. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 10:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
That's why I'm saying Zorua's not event-exclusive. It became readily available (more so than it already was through breeding) only one game later, so it's only "exclusive" to a single pair of games, just as is Bulbasaur and probably dozens more. But that's not what we mean by event-exclusive. Because it was Zorua's first game I feel is being too semantic (especially given that the whole event-exclusive label was supposed to be used for mons that are always event-exclusive, i. e. Mythical Pokemon). glikglak 11:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Greetings. I happened to be over at ArcToraphim's page and have given my opinion there. While I can't call it an "official ruling", per se, I covered all of the availability that you both have covered. Because it was available without the need for Memory Link in B2/W2 (others of N's required it to unlock their appearances), I would say that while it's an in-game event, it's one that happens every single time you restart the file. The question therefore is whether you consider an in-game event as event exclusive. I don't. Therefore, I say no only because of B2/W2; otherwise, yes, the ones in B/W require imports from Gen. IV. CycloneGU (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

About movie 1

"What's the point of saying we don't know if it was edited?": what I meant is that once they decided to add the ten-minute prologue (instead of starting the movie with Ash battling Raymond the pirate trainer) they probably edited out some datails from the movie proper that became redundant since the prologue already explained Mewtwo's backstory. In fact, if one watches the three Mewtwo episodes and then the movie without the prologue, he will find the episodes confusing since the movie proper doesn't explain the unexplained things in those episodes. I wish someone could translate the various entries like this one from Takeshi Shudo's blog so that we know what he said about the movie. --Abcd (talk) 16:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

It takes me awhile to do stuff during the day. And pointing out the blog on the talk page would be better than hoping someone just happens by it. glikglak 18:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

ORAS demo islands

With the information you gave me previously and encounter data floating around the net, I've figured out that apparently the guide book's numbering for the different Mirage spots follows the location's index number (Mirage caves 1-8 correspond to locations 508-515 (respectively), for example). Using all that, I've managed to confidently determine which of the ORAS Mirage spots correspond to which of the ORAS demo islands. There's just one thing that's unclear to me...

For the outside area of the island in the first demo adventure (before you enter the cave where Matt and Tabitha are), it's not clear where that corresponds to in ORAS. I've tentatively hypothesized that the Mirage Caves might have a brief outer area where you initially land, except that in ORAS perhaps none of these places have grass (as the places I'm looking at don't have encounter tables). Is that so, or does that outside area in the demo correspond to somewhere else?

(I also wonder about the outside areas (at the beginning and the end) of the secret Aqua/Magma mission, and the outside of the Expert battle island. Though those places don't have grass, I'm still curious.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Caves have outside landing areas, yes. And, as I recall, they don't have any grass (at work attm, so can't verify). The first mission Cave matches up except for the added patches. Haven't managed to get the last secret mission, but the videos looked like Mirage Cave 5 (or whatever I said on the demo page). glikglak 20:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Just knowing there are "landing areas" will let me add demo data correctly. The rest mostly just comes down to curiosity, which I can easily wait until I have ORAS to satisfy. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Card update

Don't worry too much about getting everything all at once. It's a lot. And I'll be checking in afterwards just to double check what's going on. MaverickNate 22:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

We're not ready for Trainer cards. There's no difference happening there to warrant the change. MaverickNate 02:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I sent you an email. Please check it out sometime soon, if you can. MaverickNate 21:06, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Just a heads up + Forum issue

Just letting you know when you fix the lagging | at the end of templates (which is something I personally hate being there, so thank you heaps) you don't need to have | before closing the template, so you can just make |}} into }} --Spriteit (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I know, but Nate's been leaving it on his revisions, so I don't know if he wants them for whatever reason. glikglak 15:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, okay then, fair enough, as far as I know it doesn't do anything, but I may be incorrect, just figured I might save you a little time if you were doing it by hand. --Spriteit (talk) 15:06, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, Re:the issue you reported on forums what browser and version number of said browser are you using for Bulbapedia? --Spriteit (talk) 15:07, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
A mobile version of Chrome used on Androids, though I couldn't tell you which version. And I use the default skin; the last time I checked out the mobile skin, I couldn't even find the edit button. glikglak 15:19, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
YOu edit using a mbile? Wow, that must take you ages... --Spriteit (talk) 15:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

User Page

Can I ask you a question? Why can't I edit my user page? I want to put user boxes on it but I can't. --RockinJack18 (talk) 17:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Creating a user page requires an account to have been around for so long/done so many edits. It's too prevent people from just making user pages without contributing to the 'pedia. glikglak 17:32, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I have already contributed 5 edits to the pedia. How many do I need? --RockinJack18 (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't know. It's kept secret to weed out the people who'd just do the minimum and solely edit their user page. glikglak 17:36, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm really not that type of person. I'm a Pokemon novice who is willing to help in any way he can ;). --RockinJack18 (talk) 17:39, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Then get crackin! If you're unsure on whether or not an edit you wish to make will be good, bring it up on the page's talk page. And don't forget to preview your edits to make sure they're doing what you want. glikglak 17:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

But where should I edit? All of the stubs and such are stuff I don't know about, and the others I feel like that if I edit them, they won't be as good --RockinJack18 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Stubs aren't the only pages that need more info. Start with the stuff you do know about, like any games you have. glikglak 21:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

My Edit On Azalea Town won't save. Why not? --RockinJack18 (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't know what you mean, your Azalea Gym addition is there. Also, take a look at the list of link templates; Badges should be linked as {{Badge|Name}}. glikglak 22:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

And also, what should I do if the section is incomplete? --RockinJack18 (talk) 13:38, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

That just means that specific part of the page needs more info. glikglak 13:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
What template should I use b/c it says it is a Incomplete article now, when only a section is incomplete --RockinJack18 (talk) 13:46, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
If the tag says what info's missing, it doesn't matter where the tag is. glikglak 13:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

About meaning change

I mean, Japanese word カンテラ (meaning "a portable lanturn") is involved in Chandelure's name, so.. Maybe it's either corruption of the word chandelier, or combination of the word chandelier and カンテラ/Candela, and so forth. There are possibilities of such name origins, so.. That's how I edited that. Sorry if that confused you. Csrspirit (talk) 04:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

If カンテラ is a loanword from another language, there's not really a point in mentioning it in the section, since we mention the word it's derived from. glikglak 04:50, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


Some of them (prior evo lists) aren't even by that, having a couple of moves even out of that order sometimes. Of course, that's on lists of five or more; two I wouldn't even think to look for a level-up order. But yeah, I've been doing them alphabetically; I'm surprised there's no sorting on that table of any method for longer lists. CycloneGU (talk) 03:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

About Luxio's Voice Actor

I heard Luxio's voice when I saw the episode and I thought that was the same voice from the Diamond and Pearl series. I listened carefully by the way. Just like it was almost similar to Shinx's voice actor.--JasonL 18:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Well I'll see what I can try. --JasonL 23:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Check Natochenny's Voice actor just to make sure.--JasonL (Talk)01:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Double check one of the episodes just to make sure Luxio's voice Actor is right.--JasonL (Talk)

Dawn's Quilava

How come it's not noticeable? Dawn's Quilava is the only Pokémon she has that is not in the Sinnoh Pokédex. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Because the anime doesn't stick to the game Pokédex(es?). glikglak 00:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Mirage Spots

Regarding this comment, I got updated information from a friend online whom I had no way of Streetpassing (he was surprised when I told him about his 146 Wonder Trades).

Further, when I figured this out today, the indication of 22 updates came in, and I ended up resetting without saving (I was testing something and forgot to save after catching Magby). I had to reconnect to again get 22 notices, and the island with Magby did not appear. The same thing I did twice more until a Munna island (or mountain, it gets both) appeared. Therefore, there IS A correlation to data being received with a connection to the Internet even if the connection is not required for Streetpass data; you must connect to download the data to the game, I find. CycloneGU (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the correlation. The Mirage spot would have to remain the same after not connecting to the internet for there to be one. glikglak 17:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Oops, missed your reply.
I don't know why they shuffle, but the suspicion is that they may be chosen at random from passersby as well. I occasionally get Streetpass info, but only one at a time; I hit anywhere from 20-30 passes when I hit the Internet. I wonder if the data is stored and you can only connect (and then save) Internet data once a day, but if you don't save it forgets that you already connected to the Internet? Getting data from Streetpasses makes the most sense since friends aren't always online; in that case, it likely saves a whole bunch of data until midnight and then, on the new day, your first connect refreshes data. I have to try connections sometime just before and just after midnight to confirm this. CycloneGU (talk) 20:46, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
When you update StreetPass and SpotPass info through the Holo Caster, I'm pretty sure the data is saved right then, independent of your save file. If the spots are coming from Passerby (or Acquaintances? You get hundreds of Passerby hits a day but obviously not that many spots), then it'd make sense; Passerby data isn't stored after resets (it is if you merely disconnect however). glikglak 20:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
The data acquisition works like this:
  • You connect to the Internet (the only time you save automatically).
  • You change to the BuzzNav.
  • You click the mailbox.
If you save after this, you maintain exactly what you already have until midnight, and you can't download any more Mirage Spots ir data except from Streetpassing.
However, if you do not save, you return to having no extra Mirage Spots (just your one) and no mailbox data. You reconnect and the same amount of news becomes available. New Mirage Spots appear after you click the button.
I don't know why that happens, but it happens. And it's happened to me. I currently have a Ditto spot to build up some encounters with, so I saved the first cycle today; otherwise, I would have been shopping around for my Magby as that is, I think, my only one missing. I'll be shopping around for a missing TM or two after getting both Bikes. CycloneGU (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Spell of the Unown

Why do you claim it doesn't say "Entei" whenever "Spell of the Unown" is shown? Take as an example the book cover, it says "Entei" below "Unown". If it's because of the title screen picture we have, it's incomplete as it was taken before the animation for the logo ended, here's the complete title screen. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

So it does. I thought the line on the book was just a fancy underscore. glikglak 21:26, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

In case you're wondering

That link seemed to be meh, haha. The specific link is here. Apparently, those with only one known Ability by the time of Generation III will have it as default, which is why Alakazam and Rapidash don't have a set Ability. This website also explains how certain Pokémon have genders. Let me know if you have any questions! ht14 02:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I can't decipher moon runes, so I'll have to take your word for it. Can't imagine they had a fun time when Pokémon got second Abilities. glikglak 02:58, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I can't read Japanese either, but I'm using the translations given by Bulbapedia and slowly piecing it together. For reference, the third section is Ability (とくせい), and the fourth is nature (せいかく). Still not entirely sure on the first two though. If you want, you can help out, haha. Speaking of second Abilities though, trivia point! Seadra only had Poison Point prior to Generation IV, and Kusaka decided to give the Seadra Yellow caught and released Sniper. This man's crazy. ht14 03:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


Can you help put some user tags on my page? --User:RockinJack18 is awesome 13:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Just browse through Category:Usertags and add what you want. If you can't find something, make it yourself with the {{User Template}}. glikglak 14:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Now my language is inside my favorite Pokemon. What do I do now? --User:RockinJack18 is awesome 12:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

You... you're not supposed to copy/paste the code. They're templates. glikglak 12:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Well what do I do? --User:RockinJack18 is awesome 20:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Which apostrophe to use

Hello. I suppose this is quite a minor issue to discuss, so I'll be brief. It looks to me that in game, the more curly, typographic apostrophe (’), as opposed to the straight, typewriter apostrophe ('), is used. Is the reason you changed it that maybe in Bulbapedia, we just use the typewriter apostrophe? Thanks! —The Sackinator (talk) 03:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Uniformity mostly, partially my disdain for word processors. It's the default for keyboards, so it's simply going to be used more. I believe the ' is a byte less of data, too. glikglak 13:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I see what you mean. However, do you think that maybe conformity to the text used in game would be more important than uniformity with what apostrophe generally is used? Thanks for responding! —The Sackinator (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
For direct quotes from the games, possibly. It's way too minor a thing to make a site-wide policy, especially when the ’ isn't a standard key. glikglak 23:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


That was still working after the move yesterday. Must take a while to generate that the page is no longer there.

Even so, Sdex is used to mean Sinnoh Dex, so I'll have to change it eventually to something like ShDex. Unless you have another idea? =) CycloneGU (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I like Shfdex, but for nothing more than personal preference. Shdex seems fine. glikglak 21:20, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Details for Clemont's Luxio

How about this one? JasonL 00:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)-JasonL (Talk)

That site does appear to have a professional level, however information is still added by anyone with an account. That information needs to be approved, apparently, but as we don't know what sources they accept, we can't use them; for all we know, they use us as an acceptable source. glikglak 01:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Crobat Name Origin

Glik, may I know why you have deleted my addition to the origin of the name of Crobat? The name origins are not something anyone knows to be accurate, unless it's something obvious, and I am not stating my opinion as if it were fact, nor have I violated any copyrights. Why is it that my edit about Crobat being a combination of crow and bat is unacceptable? Thank you very much for reading!

From, BenMatt (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC).

Because Crobat doesn't have any similarities with crows. It's "sinister" appearance is attributable to it being a bat. Furthermore, crows are seen as foreboding because of legends and myths linking them to death; Crobat doesn't have any links to death or the macabre at all. glikglak 15:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

About Sliggoo

A source? What for? I know who voiced who. I don't get why the page was reverted for. Here a friendly advice: listen carefully and follow your instincts. I just watched the episode you know, I'm not deaf. Could you leave it there just in case?--Jay-Man 13:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC) JasonL (Talk)

However, you can't confirm it because the voice actor didn't still say that he voiced Sliggoo. It is just easy; contact him in Facebook or Twitter. If it is true, we will return your edit. If you can't contact him, just let it go. It is much better to be quiet than to edit war. --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 13:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
And what is the purpose of references if this isn't used? Also, there are billions of people, and many of them can have the same voices. Probability is key. --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 14:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


I got that cage picture (see right). They\re only found in challenges, and those tend to be timed, so the clock is a nuisance we're going to have to accept here.

I also took one of Arceus in a cage just for shiggles, but haven't uploaded it yet. I figure the Fletchling one is better since it's an early game catch (Ember Mountains) and I was trying to find something from one of those three areas. We'll ignore the fact that this is a Lv.45 early unlock area because the cages are easy to see on the ground here, so if we want one with the ring prior to being trapped, I can also grab that. CycloneGU (talk) 04:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, also get the ring. If you can, crop the rest of the image that isn't the ring or cage out and put the two in the same file as a before and after. glikglak 04:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, so get the other picture while standing far away from the ring so it's only the ring in the picture. Check. I'll try to line up the parts of the screen accordingly so it looks like a picture of the exact same area of the screen. I'll look at that tomorrow; I have a switch to work on and a television show or two to watch before bed. CycloneGU (talk) 05:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Side discussion: I uploaded the new Diamond Digger shot, it seemed to show exactly as the old one. I tried again, and then the second of three showed the new one and the same old one appeared as newest. Is Archives broken in the handling of new versions of images, or is it just slow to update? CycloneGU (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
It's slow. Hitting the UTC clock will usually make it catch up for you. glikglak 01:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I tried that. It's updated at Archives now, just not here. CycloneGU (talk) 01:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it's even updated here when you click the image. Just not in the article. CycloneGU (talk) 01:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
...and it finally updated. I had even looked in a different browser and the old image was appearing after my last comment. Time for images to update: roughly 30-45 minutes. I'll get updated pictures of the other buildings, as well, and maybe even get an image of the Passwords section (maybe with a password in it!) so that area doesn't look out of place starting next to an image from another section. CycloneGU (talk) 02:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The password screen is just the 3DS number pad. glikglak 02:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Desolate Land edit

I thought it sounded a little strange too, but I was following the way the Primordial Sea and Delta Stream articles were already written, as I thought the second reference to the Pokémon having the Ability right after the first reference (albeit without restating the name of the Ability) was referring to the fact that the Ability could potentially be removed or replaced by an [opposing Pokémon's] Ability or move, like Role Play, Gastro Acid, Entrainment, Simple Beam, Worry Seed, Mummy, etc. (i.e. "with the Ability" meaning that the Ability has not been removed or replaced and is operating normally). If that is the case, maybe some better wording could be used to convey this so it doesn't sound as redundant?

Xérnéas (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I assumed that was your reasoning, but the wording already covers Ability replacement: if Desolate Land is replaced, it's no longer a "Pokémon with Desolate Land". This does leave Gastro Acid suppression, but I'd want verification of its effect. glikglak 14:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
EDIT: If Gastro Acid does indeed suppress it, the wording could be altered to " as long as Desolate Land is active". glikglak 14:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I tested it, and it turns out that Gastro Acid does suppress Desolate Land (as well as Primordial Sea and Delta Stream), so I'll make those changes accordingly.
Xérnéas (talk) 16:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
EDIT: Actually, now that I look at the article again, further down it says "If Desolate Land is suppressed or replaced, the extremely harsh sunlight it causes will disappear.", which would again make the overall section kind of redundant, so what if we change the first sentence to something like "The extremely harsh sunlight lasts as long as the Pokémon with Desolate Land is in battle, provided the Ability is not suppressed or replaced."? Then maybe the latter sentence could be changed to say "When Desolate Land is suppressed or replaced, the extremely harsh sunlight it causes will disappear.".
Xérnéas (talk) 17:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
That can all be condensed with the last sentence into "The extremely harsh sunlight will remain until the Pokémon is removed from the field, the Pokémon has its Ability suppressed or replaced, or the Abilities Primordial Sea or Delta Stream activate." glikglak 18:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good.
Xérnéas (talk) 18:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Need help

The new user Treacle‎ has been making multiple edits to the same page within a small timeframe. Could you send this user a warning? -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


...that you're nearly done with Sinnoh conversions. I'm through nine Zones of Battle Trozei and will certainly be finishing #10, but also will be using videos to jot down anything not already on my list for Battle Trozei; once that's done, I'll have all BT, Shuffle, Rumble U, and Rumble World ready to go. Though I have a conversion template set up (everything but Conquest I think is currently in it), Kogoro seems to prefer staff doing it, so can you hop into Unova next? No need to add the fields for the missing games; I'll go ahead and add all of those after whatever the last entry is (MD, Conquest, etc.). CycloneGU (talk) 23:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, if any of them by chance don't have any side games at all so far, I'll add the entire layout as well since there's nothing to convert. Just skip those. =) CycloneGU (talk) 23:27, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm in the final part of the Battle Trozei Pokémon locating mission (doing that part and page setup via videos, haven't set up Infinite Ruins yet though). Something I need to note is Pokémon available on specific days in Safari Jungle. I could use brackets with the day of the week, possibly even linking to the specific table (as I do with the other stage tables), but might it be better to just note the day of the week as a superscript? Once this batch is done, I can start creating the additional sections for every game for every Pokémon from Bulbasaur to Genesect (Chespin to Diancie, of course, were done from scratch by me with nothing to convert). CycloneGU (talk) 23:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
We actually have a template for superscript days. glikglak 23:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I thought so. I knew I'd seen it in Johto bits before. Perfect, that will do nicely. Unown will be the one exception, as all 28 are scattered with at least one in each of the 21 stages. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Just noticed you finished through Genesect (good, I'm still busy with HP data mining LOL). What is the status on Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn pages? Obviously I can start adding to everything from 387 onwards now; that said, if I see an odd page that got missed between that and Genesect, I'll do the conversion and you can follow up on it (I'll notate it in the edit summary and you can follow up to ensure I didn't mess up anything). If I see a lot of pages missed (unlikely), I'll notify you. =) I know some Johto got done as I recall seeing the Johto starters completed; I actually think those were fully completed, leaving Kanto and Hoenn to do. CycloneGU (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure how much of Johto's done, but I'm pretty sure not all of it. While you're going through, make sure on Rumble Blast entries with "Normal Mode" to put them in parentheses and use the <small> code on them. And I might have forgotten to put Conquest above Gates on a few. glikglak 22:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I was actually debating trying something different with Rumble Blast entries. See User:CycloneGU/Sandbox#Gen. V. The link text is [[Volcanic Slope#Autumnwood|Volcanic Slope]]. That way, it just comes up as "Volcanic Slope" instead of as "Autumnwood: Volcanic Slope" (see Snivy's; Echo Valley can do the same thing) and the link is programmed to go right to the correct table instead of having the player search the page. Makes it cleaner for listing multiple areas, too. I can do these conversions in that entry while adding everything else; it might be worth doing something like that in the original Rumble games, too, but I haven't studied that game and wouldn't want to change something I don't have good knowledge about. CycloneGU (talk) 22:53, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The section of the area would still need to be noted so that they don't have to click the link. Just switching the information around seems fine. You could keep the extended links to the specific section, but with how simple the pages are and the TOC at the top, I don't really see the point. glikglak 23:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I guess this is where the opinion coms in. LOL Personally, if it were me researching, I'd be happy knowing Snivy's at Volcanic Slope, and would click it anyway if I wanted more info, but it seems the link idea here is more along the lines of Volcanic Slope: Autumnwood (separating Autumnwood outside of the link as it is now seems confusing). I'd be amenable to the alternative, but I just don't see why encouraging a user to click a link is a bad thing. =)
I'm currently working on the project of getting all of the Safari Jungle research data, but have to remember to play the Monday set myself this evening. I want to try to jot down each day over the next week. I'm currently undecided on whether to list by days of the week, then stages by day (seems cleanest and keeps the Unown in order too!) or whether to list all Stage 1 together. I might even just do 21 headers along the lines of "Monday Stage 1", "Wednesday Stage 2", etc. (and in the same order as the first option). That last option seems like the best method to prevent repeating headers for "Stage 2" or "Thursday", etc. and even reduces the number of headers needed. CycloneGU (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
We want to be concise with the location templates; simply having the link display Volcanic Slope, regardless if the link actually links to the proper section, misleads a reader into thinking that it's available in every section of Volcanic Slope. As for the Unown, I'd like to see examples of what you mean. glikglak 23:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I just finished the Monday set of data. Here's the best way to put it. Unown A appears after you destroy the Numel in Monday's Stage 1 with a single hit. Unown B appears in Stage 2, this time after doing the same thing to Simisear (by chance, I had Blastoise, so that was a sure thing for my hunt). Unown C and D BOTH appear in Stage 3 on Monday. One could assume from this that the pattern is 1-1-2 by stages, but that is not true; going to Tuesday's puts F and G in Stage 2, with H by itself in Stage 3 (some even have two in Stage 1!). However, every day, there are four available, being A-D, E-H, I-L, M-P, Q-T, W-X, and finally YZ!? on Sunday. Each one adds to your Dex percentage to help towards certain encounters like Meloetta and Genesect, so it pays to find and catch them all, and it seems all are hidden like this.
BTW, adding Chansey, and optionally Mr. Mime, as Supports literally gives you all the time on Earth, with no time limit, provided you match them periodically, letting one get exact figures more easily). It let me take my time when Munchlax or Camerupt entered the stage, first letting me mend the wall it broke through, then healing while it was inside before taking it out. If I write the strategy guide for the game, that will be one of my top strategies for longer stages as the fighting pair (Throh/Sawk) at the end of Monday's Safari Stage 3 is merciless.
Going to start using videos to put the Safari Jungle charts together, but it will likely take more than a couple of sessions. At least I can do these from videos, not having to wait for every day myself. The HP research is another story. Keeing Chansey in my party now, however. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 02:41, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs have nothing to do with availability. Try to cut down on the excess. Three questions: is the order always alphabetical (does a letter show up in the Stage before an earlier letter), do the Unown of the day always appear on the same Stages each week, and are you certain the cycle begins Monday and not the day Safari Jungle is unlocked? glikglak 03:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Sorry if I wandered in discussion; I was about to start uploading images and wanted to basically explain I was going to be over there for a bit. LOL Just uploaded Monday's and all the Unown as well. The strategy thing was me babbling, I'll admit.
On discussion, one point at a time:
1. The order is set within each specific stage. If the first stage you play is Wednesday Stage 3 (that's possibly in that Zone, only Zone where you can skip Stage 1), then the first Unown you have a chance to encounter is Unown L.
2. Unown always appear in the same stage, per the above. A certain Unown is set to appear after defeating a certain Pokémon a certain way, and it's always the same one. You can even identify the silhouettes on the lower screen before playing the stage (they then appear there in full view after being encountered and/or caught, like everything else). So far, I've also found all four to have exactly 500 HP, interestingly.
3. Yes, I am certain. Each stage has a full Pokémon list of its own, and the first one I personally played was Saturday Stage 1 (I had just finished Zone 3, Stage 4). The stage begins with Spearow, which is in my caught list. The U form of Unown is also in there, and I have that. CycloneGU (talk) 03:28, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

|- |

Generation VI
Battle Trozei
Safari Jungle Stage 1 (AMo, yadaTu)
Safari Jungle Stage 2 (BMo, blah and blahTu)
Safari Jungle Stage 3 (C and DMo, ! and ?Su)

If I understand correctly, this format should get everything. glikglak 11:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Listing 21 different stages for every single form of Unown is excessive. There is one different one in each of 14 stages, and two in each of 7 stages. It makes more sense in the case of Unown to list a single link to the Safari Jungle page in full itself as that is the only place to find them, and every single stage has at least one. Otherwise, I would do exactly what you just did. CycloneGU (talk) 14:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
The format covers all 21 variants. glikglak 14:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
So you want all Stage 1 on a single line, all Stage 2, and all Stage 3, etc.?
It would still be comparable to examples like Basculin's maingame set (Unova). If length isn't an issue, then it might work. I am still compiling data; I'm doing the tables for Safari Jungle right now and will be able to pull every Unown for a sample layout entry once I'm done. I'm on Friday Stage 3 and Sunday is the last one (please don't do any "incomplete" template edits, I don't want an edit conflict after all this and might add it myself until I can get the HP in there by the 5th), and once I'm done the tables and sample entry will be putting all of the other data together. After that is my Tuesday playing for HP and then I'll be looking at the sidegames entries, which I will probably compile (a few, anyway) on a userspace page for input so I can make any needed wholesale changes before using them. CycloneGU (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Generation VI
Battle Trozei
Safari Jungle Stage 1 (AMo, ETu, IWe, JWe, MTh, QFr, RFr, USa, YSu)
Safari Jungle Stage 2 (BMo, FTu, GTu, KWe, NTh, OTh, SFr, VSa, ZSu)
Safari Jungle Stage 3 (CMo, DMo, HTu, LWe, PTh, TFr, WSa, XSa, !Su, ?Su)

Not sure why the dash is there (because it expects something first, maybe?), but there's what it would otherwise look like. Not as long as I thought it would be, but I still think it excessive. But then, I thought listing every single water area in a Pokémon world as a catch location when there is no water area something doesn't appear in was excessive, too, so maybe that's just an opinion thing on my part. LOL This as is might be useable. CycloneGU (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, I should note I put the DOTW tag on separate entries within the same stage. From a grammar standpoint, one would not say A, E, I and J, M, Q and R, U, Y (as an example). CycloneGU (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
The dash is because it's meant to be used within the header template. I put it and the footer in to give an accurate look at the length. It's actually grammatically correct to have an and between two entries that are meant to be kept together, such as saying "name, age, height and weight, and address". glikglak 17:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
It is? I guess that falls under the rule "there are no rules", but I also see no harm in keeping them separate at the same time.
I'll compile sample entries later (for the adding of the four new games to each page); I want to get the Tuesday HP data while it's Tuesday. I'll update when I have some entries ready. I can also do the Rumble Blast bits in places, as well (if I rearrange and use direct links), but there might be a few requiring more research. CycloneGU (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, here's a new problem. I'm only on the first six tables (of 21 on the page) and I seem to be having image loading problems. I'm thinking again that separating by day is the way to go; I'm having issues on DSL, so anything that is a low-speed connection will have hiccups on that page. Thoughts? CycloneGU (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, I will say never mind on that. I just remembered that the National list has all 719 minisprites there, and once cached for a user, they will tend to reappear. So this can't really be called an issue after all. I'll leave it with all tables. Besides, the nine tables there now are loading properly for me at this point, and I will be creating a list of all Pokémon, their HP, strength, abilities, etc. someday, so... CycloneGU (talk) 21:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Prepping Sidegames Additions Now

Going to do all the prep work locally and use a random non-existant page in my userspace to preview (without creating, unless I click the wrong button), but just want to make sure what I've already done is good enough for the format. See for instance Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie. I just used the names of the actual areas without referencing Balloons in Rumble World, Shuffle will be linked one day when the individual area pages (Abcboy's project) exist, and Battle Trozei links to the stage something appears in while only naming the area. Given the discussion of how you see "Autumnwood" as necessary in Rumble Blast (and I can understand why since that's the name of the area a Pokémon appears in, even if it's used in multiple areas itself), would you also be of the opinion that "Stage N" is needed in Battle Trozei listings, and that the name of the Balloon is needed in Rumble World listings? Shuffle...well, we'll get back to that when we can link them.

I personally could see the point of listing "Stage N" (BT), and that would match the Unown suggestion above, but always thought that to be excessive when the link goes right to the page anyway (this echoes our earlier conversation, though). The Balloon name I could see in brackets after the name of the area, if anything, but I am hesitant on that format. Stages in Rumble U I will just leave as stage names, not sure there's a reason to add extra info (obviously Chespin onwards doesn't have those entries, but I have them for everyone else). CycloneGU (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, we want the Stages for Battle Trozei and Shuffle. The area in Shuffle should also be direct linked so if/when they get split all we'll have to do is make them regular links. For Shuffle events, put "Event: (event name)", with a direct link for the event name; denote the forme if applicable. And make the Rumble World parentheticals (and any others you might need to add, probably) small. glikglak 11:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
My debate on Rumble World was having both the things like "Center, Back" and "Leafy Balloon" in separate bracketed areas; it looks kind of like an afterthought, but not so much if the "Center, Back" is taken out. Also, with very few exceptions, Rumble World typically only has two locations for some Pokémon and still only one for more than half of them (I think), so I might use the <br> tag in that one.
And yes, in Shuffle, linking the area name will be the idea. Until it's split, I'm not sure there's a point to linking; the reason is because it's still in development, and if we link to the existing page now, then there will be a lot of broken links or links pointing the wrong way when the split occurs. I'm happy leaving it unlinked for the time being, and we can figure that out (there's only 200 main stages plus a few events, well under half in total) when the split is completed. Though I have to update a few listings in Shuffle before using those, as well, with the five new ones in the Safari, etc. Shuffle will therefore be the last one I add to the templates I'm doing locally. CycloneGU (talk) 14:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
There's no point in putting the balloons, they're not locations. The sections are, so they should be. The Shuffle links will be fixed when they need to be, just as we do every time any page is moved. glikglak 14:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
So you think linking each Shuffle stage to a section like this or like this is the way to go for the time being? I'd be more inclined to help Abcboy finish the pages first since that seems like a quick thing to do. The main page is getting way too long, and if they are going to be moving into mainspace in a week or two anyway, we might as well do it all at once now. I think the sample pages he has look great, and I can slowly grab images to include on them as well. (Also, having their own pages would negate the table link work I try to otherwise do.)
It'll take me a few days to set up the layouts anyway, and possibly even a couple to add them to the articles once they are even all converted, so I'll check with him on that project when he's back on July 4 and before he leaves again. If the separate pages happen soon, then I'll have time to flip them over before I start updating the layouts. CycloneGU (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I've started editing my links on the Battle Trozei list (yes, I literally have a list of 718 links LOL). Just verifying that these samples are the way you'd do them before I do the rest.
* Pikachu: Renegade Meadow, Stage 6
* Charizard: Blade-and-Shield Path, Stage 5
If anything should be different in those (that's the link text that would appear in the box, BTW), let me know before I fix the rest. CycloneGU (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Use a colon instead of a comma. glikglak 16:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
A colon? Never considered that.
Thinking about, in Rumble World, removing "All Areas" from those entries. It seems redundant to list the area, which means everything, and then indicate they are found everywhere in the area anyway. Might only leave the extra text on those that have limited availability (Bastion of Beginnings is also the only stage with limitations on virtually everything except for Mew). CycloneGU (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd leave it if it's a boss in one of the sections as well. glikglak 17:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)

I don't have Bosses addressed in the entries at all. Will have to see how it looks in the template. What gets clunky is saying "Entrance Boss, Center, Back, Special". CycloneGU (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

That can just be condensed into (All areas; Boss in Entrance). The longest would be (Center Boss, Back, Special) (or whatever three sections it appears in). glikglak 18:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
If we put "All areas" for Entrance bosses, don't we kinda have to keep it in for everything else? Or would this fall under the safe assumptions? CycloneGU (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd prefer it put in, but I do believe it would be a safe assumption that its exclusion would indicate all sections. glikglak 18:47, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
As it stands, I believe I have it in for all of them (I did that originally as a measure so I knew I had checked them). so technically, it could stay. If consistency comes into play, and we use "All areas" with "Entrance Boss", then it would probably pay off to leave it in. CycloneGU (talk) 19:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Rumble U Data Query

I was debating...should I include any Pokémon that is available in figurine form in the catchability data? Victini, Bulbasaur, Lucario, Zoroark, and even Black/White Kyurem (as bonuses) were available that way, among others. My instinct says no, but wondering what you think.

I have my 649 blank entries and the layout template ready to add all 649 entries to; I just want your thoughts on that before I do it. I'll start prepping for the Rumble World data in the meantime. Battle Trozei is fully added, and I'm waiting on Abcboy to get back to figure out if we're setting up solo pages before I add that data (I have to update my list, anyway). CycloneGU (talk) 20:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

BTW, when I say "fully added", I mean to my local document. I'll be posting the entire thing in my userspace to test it eventually. CycloneGU (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Assuming there wasn't one for every Pokémon (there weren't internationally, but I don't know about Japan), I'd say they should be mentioned. They're effectively events. Put them after a line break after the normal availability as something like "NFC figure/s". glikglak 20:44, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
That was the thinking I had about adding them, as a separate line. I have to check what all the figurines were, as I'll never see them. Meanwhile, someone did a test of the CURRENT Amiibo and found out they can be scanned into the game during battle (not until battle starts); it's hilarious that Pikachu isn't actually a Pikachu, either. I wonder if this is worth a discussion on the page.
Back to the Unown topic briefly, I'm also not going to delineate the various Unown in Rumble U; with the exception of a fixed reward one (in one case, Unown Z), which would need noting, they all appear the exact same way in the stage, all in the same single stage. I don't know what the reward is on the one where you actually fight them (The Secret Ruin, I believe), so can't include a note on that one. (I do have to note all the various Rotom in Rumble U, so that one will be lengthy; six lines!) Unown in Rumble World meanwhile change by the day, so I will just state that in the summary; I have been meaning to set up a switch to check the day of the month and note in the area table which is available, or if all are (29th to 31st); this would be like the Arceus switch except without calculations, only looking at the day of the month and that's it. Rumble World Rotom cycle, I believe, as they only have one home, but I can't confirm and won't note that yet; I'll get to that sometime by playing the stage over and over, but that's where I'd pay Diamonds. CycloneGU (talk) 21:06, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Changing to Shuffle now. I asked Abcboy for a status update on his userspace project, offering assistance if needed to help it to completion. Meanwhile, I am obviously planning to remove Shuffle from entries of Pokémon currently not found in the game. This brings up a good question. For Pokémon who are in the game data but are currently unavailable, I'm thinking it would be prudent to just note them as "Currently unavailable". This acknowledges they are physically in the game, but cannot be battled. Thoughts? CycloneGU (talk) 05:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
That's good. glikglak 12:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Awesome. I'll see what they add this Monday and trim the blanks then. Abcboy should be back then, as well, so the linking question can be answered. I did finish Rumble World data close to 3 AM yesterday. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Posted a sample. Not adding them to pages yet until the Shuffle linking thing is sorted, but this is what I was going to do before, not linking stages at all. The first 20 don't show events, but I also thought of the idea of giving each main event type its own page (see the template I put in Abcboy's userspace to accompany Puerto Blanco), so those cases can just link to their own event pages and, where multiples occur (like four Daily Pokémon sets), anchors therein. CycloneGU (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I don't see every kind of special stage getting their own page instead of having a page for all of them. Some of them will get used more but they're probably going to keep making new gimmicks for single Pokémon to keep up interest. Put the actual area name for the Rumble U entries like we have for the other Rumble games; we also have a page for the NFC figures. The Shuffle stage links are going to be put in regardless, so it saves everyone time if you just do them now. glikglak 19:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I was aware of the page for Rumble U figurines, and was going to put that in the final revision (I forgot to when I added them on this revision and found out afterwards, and didn't feel it worth an edit just to add that on the sample). I'm still debating using videos like this to notate others that can be located in gameplay by using actual Amiibos, but not sure if it's worth putting them in the Pokémon entries; only on the Rumble U page itself, perhaps.
I am going to be putting links in on Shuffle. What I'm waiting to discuss with Abcboy is the project status on the individual area pages. If that doesn't go anywhere for now, then the links for the single page (with anchors) will be used. If they are getting used, I might try to help that project through before putting the template adds in, so that's what remains to be worked on. Really the only thing left.
Area names was an idea. It can easily be reverted (I can even do it myself) to the other version I created if pages like "Great Challenge" and "The Daily Pokémon" are deemed unnecessary. It was just something I was throwing out there, and I'm fine either way; the only concern is labeling them in the template, or whetherr Expert and Special are not going to be labeled, leaving them on the main Stages page (with only the main areas split up).
Just found that I never updated my list since 1.2.1. Yikes. I have 20 stages and several specials to throw into the list, as well as whatever 1.2.7 brings if it's out on Monday. At that point, I can start working it into my layouts with links, but again, I'm waiting to hear on the pages project before deciding on the link format. CycloneGU (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
amiibo are just slightly more advanced NFC figures. Like the guy in the video mentioned Disney Infinity figures working, any NFC figure will work; it's just due to what the figures actually do. It's worth a note on the Wii U page. glikglak 19:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The Wii U page or the Rumble U page (or both)? I can compile that Amiibo list from the videos and notate it on the Rumble U page(not on Pokémon pages, obviously). Unless you think just a general note will suffice. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
A general note on the Wii U page. The Rumble U figures should do things on other NFC-scanning games and any other NFC figures should do things on Rumble U. Because of how the NFC chips are made, games that scan them are able to scan all of them. I suspect the non-specialized figures for a game only trigger a generic, menial effect (Hyrule Warriors will only give a few items for amiibos that aren't Link, for instance). The non-Rumble U figures might actually be drawing randomized Pokémon. glikglak 20:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. I wonder if that player should do another test using the same Amiibos, or different ones of the same Amiibo. That would answer that question. I'll ask about that so we can try to answer that question as to whether Amiibos draw a fixed in-game entry based on who it is (though being random is certainly a possibility). If it is fixed, then maybe finding out what every one triggers would be a good idea, but only if the test shows it isn't random. And hey, maybe he won't even do the test, I can only ask. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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