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Talk:Zoroark (M13)

Does she know how to Crush Claw?Pawel10s 18:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Why.....? Ataro 19:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC) 0:23 Pawel10s 15:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

It's Night Burst...--でんのう Zえんし 16:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


Is there a reason that this Zoroark is differently colored than the game versions? --Bee § Bwakka 00:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

It happens all the time Ataro 00:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Really? Like when? --Bee § Bwakka 01:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Saturn's Toxicroak? Its color was different in the anime as compared to its game sprite. ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 16:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Also Woobat, Jigglypuff, Metagross, Gliscor, Claydol, Granbull and many others.----無限の知性DENNOUZENSHI 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Zoroark Dies or Collapses?

If Zoroark collapsed, she would've showed signs that she was still alive, but she didn't. Also she had been electrocuted brutally by Kodai and endured all the injuries while trying to make her way to Zorua. -- Aura24 16:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Plus, on top of that, she didn't show any signs of fainting like other times. Most of the time fainting is instant, she clearly was in agony and fell to the ground but was still conscious. Then a few moments later she went completely limp and nothing could get a reaction out of her. Given the dark tone of the scene, its far more likely she died and did not just faint. Superx 19:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Collapsing and not moving does not mean your dead in anyway shape or form. People can collapse, show no signs of moving and can recover. It's not confirmed she died, therefore it can't be added in the article. We only add confirmed information. --HoennMaster 20:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
You're honestly the only one that I know who thinks she didn't die. The scene sets up a tone that makes it very clear that she died or was going to die. The way the story is set it makes much more sense that she died. Superx 20:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
No but getting upset and crying over a lifeless body however does confirm Zoroark was dead. Otherwise everyone getting upset seems way too dramatic. Besides Zorua nudged Zoroark many times, if it was even just barely alive, it would've reacted in some way. --Dman dustin 20:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Did I say I believe she didn't die? NO I didn't. I said it's not confirmed, which it isn't. And once again, it's not impossible for someone or something to collapse, not respond, and still recover and be ok. How is getting upset over something that just collapsed overemotional? Obviously it's never happened to you, because it's a perfectly normal reaction to panic and get upset. It's not confirmed, and unless it is, it shouldn't be in the article.--HoennMaster 21:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying you can't, but I'm saying from a dramatic perspective, it makes more sense that's she's dead by how the story is set up. She was ether dead or dying, the clear implication is she'd not survived without Celebi's intervention and it was Kodai who killed her. If nothing else, I think it's obvious she was at least dying and Celebi saved her life. Would you be alright if that was put in? Superx 23:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I say she died. Just because it wasn't outright stated doesn't disprove it; after all, Ash died in the first movie, but nobody said it. (So turning to stone doesn't mean you died; it just means you're frozen solid?) --Long Live Pokémon! --Skulblaka Shurtugal 23:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
As for someone who watched the film twice, I can honestly say that there was no evidence of a death. I believe that Zoroark, just like Celebi from M04, Giratina, and Arceus, was on the brink of death. To Dman dustin's comment, what do you mean that she obviously died because Zorua was crying? He is just a child. What child wouldn't cry if they saw their parent like that? That does not prove that she was dead. And her not responding doesn't prove anything either. She could have been in a comatose state. And to Skulblaka Shurtugal, I believe Ash's death was removed from Bulbapedia. It was removed because there was too much ambiguity around his "death". Just like here. And remember the Celebi from the other movie? It looked even more dead than Zoroark, IMO, but no one ever argued about its death.
With that said, I don't believe we should state that she died. Just that she was on the brink of death. That's all I have to say on the matter. --ケンジガール 00:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
With that in mind, I made an edit, tell me if this is acceptible, I tried to leave out if she died or not, but what is completely clear is still in there, that she was DYING. Superx 00:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


Could it be believed that Meema means "Mama" or "Mother"? Mr.Char 00:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I've actually heard kids call their mothers this before, so I agree. I think that's what is intended. I honestly think it's cute. Superx 01:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Where is the mother thing coming from anyway? All that was said is that Zoroark loves Zorua like a child? Which is very vague... J-J-M 02:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Maa is clearly meaning mother, so at the very least, Zorua thinks Zoroark is his mother. That's good enough for me. Superx 02:50, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The other day in class, I believe I overheard someone say that "Meema" is the Hebrew word for mother. --ケンジガール 02:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I've heard that be said as well. So if anything, the dub makes it more clear she's his mother. That and, as I said, I've actually heard American children call their mother's 'meema'. Superx 03:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Sure. But that above dialogue makes it seem like Zoroark is Zorua's adopted mother. Not his real one. J-J-M 03:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
So? A mother is still a mother, adopted or blood. It doesn't seem like Zorua even knows the difference, to him, she's just his mother. Superx 03:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I just want to know where the "adoptive" part comes in. Nothing I recall in the movie even indicates that Zorua might be adopted by the Zoroark. Caterfree10 04:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
In the introduction of the movie that was cut out by CN, Kodai said to Zoroark after Zorua was taken by the Ninjask, "You wouldn't want any harm to come to the Zorua you care for like it was your own now would you?" It's actually been confirmed that Zorua is the adopted son of Zoroark on the official movie website, and that Zoroark is Zorua's foster mother before she met him. The english version of the introduction is posted up on Youtube. -- Aura24 16:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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